Mass shooting at the Mandalay Bay Las Vegas; 58 dead, 500+ injured.
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Nope.
It'll be an easily modified semi-auto riffle.
No black market necessary. Just time and half a brain. Loops holes are there for a reason.
Anonymoose
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25% of Australian households had a gun in 1988, 16% in 1994, the National Firearms Agreement went into effect in 1996, and the rate was at 6% in 2005.
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compareyears/10/proportion_of_households_with_firearms
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Agreement
Epsilon-delta
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acheron_xl
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Playing with simple machines made out of metal is time-honored man stuff. Cars. Guns. Whatever.
The response to this tragedy will be more invasions of privacy and random people poking through your bags at every major hotel.
It will completely ignore the guns and whatever substance/vice/disorder influenced this person's mental state.
President Obama is right in calling this attack senseless. Something has to be done.
What can be done to make a difference? The deeper you go into this country and even on the coasts, people are not okay with gun regulations. Firearms like the Pro-Choice issue represent the biggest single-issue voting ticket in American politics.
You have a widely-circulated publication, the American Rifleman, giving out easily understood report cards for citizens to cast their vote. Firearms are a deeply entrenched industry. Their supporters are as fervent and widespread as any religion. It plays on the insecurities of the weak being able to protect themselves from the physically strong. It has a history and relationship of bringing food to your family's table. It has a built-in relationship with American foreign and domestic policing that carries over to the children, neighbors and friends of law enforcement and people who have served. It is in the constitution of the United States as part of the bill or rights right after free speech.
I think the only way you attack guns is to attack the industry built around guns. You attack the industry and development of consumer guns and then you slowly restrict the old guns, but how do you do that when arms manufacturers and marketers own politicians and exert so much control over the system?
It will completely ignore the guns and whatever substance/vice/disorder influenced this person's mental state.
President Obama is right in calling this attack senseless. Something has to be done.
What can be done to make a difference? The deeper you go into this country and even on the coasts, people are not okay with gun regulations. Firearms like the Pro-Choice issue represent the biggest single-issue voting ticket in American politics.
You have a widely-circulated publication, the American Rifleman, giving out easily understood report cards for citizens to cast their vote. Firearms are a deeply entrenched industry. Their supporters are as fervent and widespread as any religion. It plays on the insecurities of the weak being able to protect themselves from the physically strong. It has a history and relationship of bringing food to your family's table. It has a built-in relationship with American foreign and domestic policing that carries over to the children, neighbors and friends of law enforcement and people who have served. It is in the constitution of the United States as part of the bill or rights right after free speech.
I think the only way you attack guns is to attack the industry built around guns. You attack the industry and development of consumer guns and then you slowly restrict the old guns, but how do you do that when arms manufacturers and marketers own politicians and exert so much control over the system?
Dreams-Visions
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yea...yea.
Just feels like offering basic condolences don't require an emergency meeting. Like, do the basic human shit.
go to a shooting range. your opinion my change. mine did.
and without any real desire to do something about it, here we will stay. the scale of tragedy it would require for real action to take place is something I don't even want to think about.
DontBeThatGuy
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Some dems are afraid it's gonna help cost them another election, because America is trash.
Leatherface
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Holy shit:
Is this for real?
guybrushfreeman
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There are no sources reporting the kind of weapon used, only that he had a large number (perhaps as many as 10+) in his room
And we fool ourselves in believing we don't look at them as such but god damn, destruction is a sensational feeling.
The American dream. Everything is about getting rich. Take a second and think how absurd it is for something like NRA to give money to politicians... How is that not bribery? Somehow it's ok because someday the one that will get lucky and be rich will be me.
Alex_Mexico
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Clearly this could've been prevented if fellow white Americans would've reported to the police that the shooter was radicalized.
Empyrean Heaven
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My wife has O blood (not negative unfortunately) but we are in upstate NY. If she gives today will it go to Las Vegas?
Hmm, right. But the shit that I might collect doesn't have the means to kill on a massive scale.
My perspective...
I have one handgun I carry for protection. I have two AR-15 rifles I used on duty, along with a tactical 12gauge shotgun. I have a really old 4-10 shotgun that my dad used when he was a kid in the 60's. I have two 30+ year old .22 stock fed rifles; those were my parents hunting rifles from a long time ago.
I always have my handgun with me. All the other guns are locked in a safe, in a closet, and probably used a few times in the past five years.
The only thought I've had about owning more, is to collect something that is rare, or a limited production release. Never did get anything though.
jellies_two
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https://www.fostechoutdoors.com/shop/images/files/combined-foeller-web.pdf
I learned tonight that functionally equivalent full auto weapons are a 300 dollar mod.
The police said he killed himself before they could engage.
DrROBschiz
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Profits before people
This is the National Anthem of America as far as I am concerned
It seems to be at the root of every terrible thing that happens here
Money is truly the root of all evil
Subpar Scrub
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Don't try to reason with that dude. I presented evidence and he immediately fucked off.
Thanks, though.
Saint Gregory
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My God this is sad and infuriating at the same time. We're all living in potential war zones.Holy shit:
Given the lack of trigger discipline with a lot of US cops I suppose it was too much for me to expect that most would be any better than the average gun nut.
Audioboxer
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Booker.DeWitt
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but those modifications are illegal right? you can't make a fully automatic weapon ?
SoundofSilence
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GOP/NRA talking points this week
- Democrats have sunk to a new low trying to politicize this terrible event. This is not a time for political agendas but a time for mourning and prayers for the victims of this unspeakable tragedy
- This is not a gun control problem but a mental health problem
- A ban on assault weapons would not have prevented this senseless violence
- Arming hotel and casino staff and passing open carry laws would have stopped the shooter in his tracks
- Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
Rinse, repeat ad nauseum.
- Democrats have sunk to a new low trying to politicize this terrible event. This is not a time for political agendas but a time for mourning and prayers for the victims of this unspeakable tragedy
- This is not a gun control problem but a mental health problem
- A ban on assault weapons would not have prevented this senseless violence
- Arming hotel and casino staff and passing open carry laws would have stopped the shooter in his tracks
- Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
Rinse, repeat ad nauseum.
Rumblebones
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Absolutely horrific news. Just woke up to this, still tying to catch up on everything.
This is the type of shit that governments should dedicate to prosecuting with all findings and proceedings being made public so the cunts can be publicly shamed and ridiculed and hopefully lose their damn livelihoods permanently as well as jail time.
This is the type of shit that governments should dedicate to prosecuting with all findings and proceedings being made public so the cunts can be publicly shamed and ridiculed and hopefully lose their damn livelihoods permanently as well as jail time.
Darryl M R
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Chan needs to be shut down already. All of it.
The weapon was more than likely not an illegal fully automatic weapon but rather a semi-automatic weapon that was modified with a trigger mechanism like a crank or probably a bump fire setup that would allow it to operate "effectively" as an automatic weapon.
DontBeThatGuy
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I grew up in rural america, man, been to plenty of gun ranges back in the day, went deer hunting, etc...
I stopped being interested in that as a teenager, and frankly feel gun culture is fucking poison. You don't have a Trump without it, bet on it. The fact that we have to also deal with people being allowed to legally carry that shit is public, pushed by our worst politicians, is just another a blight against america.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
Step 1 has to be campaign finance law reform and lobbying reform.
jellies_two
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They are not illegal
Read the certification letter https://www.fostechoutdoors.com/shop/images/files/combined-foeller-web.pdf
Fluffernutter Pancake
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Not surprised, but man, seeing the mod price & how easy it is to do is very concerning. We are in real trouble here....
Insane Metal
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Just woke up to this news... holy fuck this is absolutely terrible, I don't even know what to say.
The gunman has been identified, right? Was he connected to ISIS somehow or was he doing that just because he wanted?
The gunman has been identified, right? Was he connected to ISIS somehow or was he doing that just because he wanted?
Dreams-Visions
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the solution, of course, is to not use yours to kill on a massive scale. like a normal person.
trump voters didn't vote on gun rights. they voted on "economic anxiety". Kappa.
No the mods are not illegal.
One trigger pull is still one bullet. So its still semi automatic.
It just fires as fast (almost) as an automatic
No, the blood will remain within your local blood bank.
Well I heard he was a convicted fellon on MSNBC so he shouldn't have been able to get it right?
"Not an act of terrorism" because the shooter was a white male. How is someone killing 50+ people and hospitalizing 400+ people NOT an act of terrorism?
Fuck this shit. Feel terrible for the victims. Politicians need to grow some fucking balls and implement real gun control in this country.
Fuck this shit. Feel terrible for the victims. Politicians need to grow some fucking balls and implement real gun control in this country.
What in the holy fuck?! You DON'T need to carry a gun with you all the time......not unless you're residing in Mogadishu or Kabul!
Basic human shit is a waste of time, and time is money. Shareholder value must be increased.
TheLionsDen
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I got to sleep last night seeing reports that 2 died with the 20+ dead reports mostly being disputed and I wake up to this being the deadly mass shooting in US history, WTF.
Booker.DeWitt
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oh, I see.thanks
But you need a competent government first. GAF is more likely to be shutdown than 4Chan with what the US has right now
I was listening to CBS and they were talking to some security guard I believe. He was talking about how security at the venue worked and at multiple points brought up how they have slowly reduced the amount of guns carried by security. He was rather obviously trying to say he wished they had more guns on hand, but thankfully the newscaster straight up called him out on it and asked how him having a gun would change a man in an entirely different building firing down on them.
To throw my hat quickly into the gun debate - a big hinderence in the debate is that many politicians simply dont know what they are talking about. Nobody will take you seriously if youre talking about banning a class of weapon but then name guns that dont fit that classification - something which happens often and which my gun loving friends love to point out. Its fine for me or others on this forum to not fully get the nuance, but its not okay if youre publicly speaking on the issue and suggesting legislation.
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jellies_two
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For you guys who woke up to this watch the video which is grand theft auto levels of ad parody except it isn't :
http://www.slidefire.com
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=hCCT8JtwQeI
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