efyu_lemonardo
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I'm sorry their hobby was ruined by a bunch of psychopaths but I'm sure they'll manage to find a new one.
Mass shooting at the Mandalay Bay Las Vegas; 58 dead, 500+ injured.
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I'm sorry their hobby was ruined by a bunch of psychopaths but I'm sure they'll manage to find a new one.
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Vilix
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Do you know if their family members were arrested and prosecuted for making straw purchases?
Air Zombie Meat
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I think you're missing my point. Someone said that rifles are only designed to shoot humans but in my opinion that argument actually applies more to handguns. I'm not making any other claims than that.
TheAbsolution
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527 Injured, 59 dead - LV Police Chief update.
NullPointer
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Jesus. 18 more firearms retrieved from his home in Mesquite. Along with a large cache of ammo and some explosives.
They're about to hit the other home in the other Mesquite.
DontBeThatGuy
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I will absolutely judge such 'hobbies', along with the toxic gun culture that's interconnected with it, and how it's perverted our politics to an absurd degree. The lobbying, the incessant propaganda, the "false flags", etc...
The Trump campaign benefited greatly because of all these things, and it could be argued it played greatly in getting him squeaking out an electoral college win.
So, what good has actually come from it? The bad is self-evident.
Gun buyback programs from the government. You make them illegal and over time they will get older, break and become expensive to maintain. The same reason you don't see a lot of fully automatic weapons in the US any longer. The legal ones are stupid expensive and old.
It wouldn't work overnight, but it would slowly but surely have a drip effect on guns being less pervasively available. Close gun-show and private sale loopholes and you can devalue the guns overnight. Make it illegal to carry the banned guns on your person and require special expensive permitting to keep the old guns for private use only.
Bullet manufacturing for lots of calibers would slow down and other than people willing to pack their own bullets that industry would dry up. Also, the NRA would become politically neutered with no new money flowing into the gun industry and attitudes towards guns would begin to shift over time. Same thing happened with public smoking bans. Hugely unpopular in the 90s and 00s are now considered a good thing by almost everyone.
Other countries have done this, so it's not unheard of.
DrForester
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Press Conference:
59 - Dead
527 - Injured
SWAT is about to storm a 2nd house in Northern Nevada.
18 additional weapons + Explosives found at home in Mesquite, NV.
59 - Dead
527 - Injured
SWAT is about to storm a 2nd house in Northern Nevada.
18 additional weapons + Explosives found at home in Mesquite, NV.
Assault weapons were never confiscated I don't think? If you already had them you got to keep them? Or am I wrong.
NarrowPath
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Let me spew a bunch of NRA bullshit onto my keyboard without backing any of it up with evidence because an ideological principle that works in my favor is a more sound argument than empirical evidence that runs counter to that position.
iRAWRasaurus
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:lol too lazy to respond, but regardless it's what people enjoy and refuse to lose. Personally
I support way more harder gun laws but to gaf, seems like I am a murderer already.
I support way more harder gun laws but to gaf, seems like I am a murderer already.
hydragonwarrior
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Pretty much the argument that has to be continually pushed. The louder side is the only way to win this online (in places like Facebook) - i suggest (if you're getting exasperated via arguing online) to just copy paste your old arguments as standalone posts.
Keep doing it because the moment you stop replying in online media, you let the counter argument become more vocal. The last thing an argument needs is to be less vocal than the other.
makingmusic476
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Nobody's saying they were.
You don't.
You pass federal regulations outlining the requirements for gun ownership (AKA, not being a felon, mentally ill, etc).
If you fulfill the requirements for gun ownership, you get to keep your guns (all of them).
If you want to sell your gun to someone else, you must pay for a background check and register the sale with the government just like you would an automobile. If you want to buy a gun, you must pass a background check, regardless of where you purchase.
These are just basic, common sense first steps. You take away or drastically reduce the ability for guns to reach the black market, thus (albeit slowly) allowing the regulations in place to monitor the industry as a whole.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
He has an attic that has nothing but guns and ammo in it.
He also explicitly told me he wants someone to break in to the house so he can shoot them. Also, he once put a bullet through my room on accident.
Yeah, he's one of those types.
I don't know of any stories where that happened. It's not like cops came around.
I imagine some of them got arrested for other stuff and the guns would have turned up in a search so it must have caused some problems for the family, but probably saying "oh, he stole that from me" would get you out of trouble.
I've also realized my life was basically the plot to Dope except in the middle of the country and I never became an accidental drug dealer.
This really is the case. Like, you'll get freak nutjob terrorist attacks like this one - things on an insane bloody scale with hundreds bring shot and dozens of rifles in use. And reasonable steps need to be taken to prevent that, of course, to prevent these huge scale tragedies.
But the statistics keep coming up... a vast majority of gun violence is handguns. It's not from the mentally ill. It's not from extremists. It's not from gangsters. It's from stupid people, and short-sighted people, and emotional people. "Normal" people. People who are safe, sensible users until the day they aren't.
At the end of the day, a gun of any kind simply isn't a weapon I trust the average American with. Nobody's perfect and everyone makes mistakes - and I'd rather those mistakes not involve hot lead.
ZombiePlatypus
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Their fault for buying into an industry built on straight up massacring people. No one forced them to waste their money and support mass murder. The blood of all these victims from these shootings is on the hands of all the pro-gunners and NRA supporters.
Professor Lich
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Was watching local news and they mentioned the Detroit police chief and how he had some strong words...
"We have to do something about people stockpiling guns..."
I was like, oh shit, someone going to say something right for once?
"...in hotel rooms."
Guess not.
"We have to do something about people stockpiling guns..."
I was like, oh shit, someone going to say something right for once?
"...in hotel rooms."
Guess not.
He replied to a thread where the solution was to confiscate guns, and his reply was, it worked before.....
holy fucking shit
efyu_lemonardo
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And you haven't called a psychiatric ward or something?
bigjeffery
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A blanket ban on every type of firearm is obviously complete nonsense, but I really can't see how anyone could reasonably object to the USA adopting a firearms policy like Canada's.
jellies_two
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Government moved quickly to regulate drones
And this is a hobby that has killed nobody yet.
If it killed 4 people on a single light plane they'd ban it for casual use without blinking.
This isn't about logic. It's about momentum only. Guns as a hobby has momentum, like motorcycles in that they would never be allowed today as a new idea.
That's insane and the kind of person that should absolutely not have guns.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
There's a reason why the most common murder fantasy gun nuts have is fending off the government coming after their guns.
somecrazymember
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makingmusic476
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He replied to me, and I only discussed confiscating guns obtained illegally.
Like how Chicago PD confiscate crazy amounts of guns brought in from the suburbs every year.
Yes.
jellies_two
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He killed himself before they finished getting into his room.
efyu_lemonardo
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Seems fishy to me too.
I have a 1930s Winchester rifle worth approximately $5000 that was handed down to me. What kind of "refund" do you think they would give me?
You or others can just say "tough luck" or whatever, but questions like this have to be answered if you want a buyback program to be successful in the US following a hypothetical 2nd amendment repeal. The government would have to offer appraised value or better for people to really care. How do you appraise 300+ million guns?
NRA used to say all the time that Obama is going to take your guns
KINGofCRA5H
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you know what the craziest part of this is?
that there are millions of other people who share this exact same mentality and fetish.
opticalmace
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link?
R10Neymarfan
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"Not terrorism" though...
Arrogant Bastard
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They had to be registered. You couldn't get a 'new' one after a certain date of production. The supply dried up and they became exceptionally expensive. We are talking the price of a car.
Piggus, you are a cool guy and have always been level headed in these discussion. I really respect that, props.
Opinion though, as if it matters...do they care? I mean that, even if you offered market value you think a majority of the 2nd amendment advocates would support that legislation. I'll answer for my dad, brothers, and family members. Fuck you federal government, you can get my gun out of my cold dead hand.
Point being the value doesn't matter at all.
Wow. Great work by Igor
Captainbojanglesiii
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He could have known, but I believe the same article said they didnt talk to him frequently. I may be wrong, but it doesnt seem too unlikely that the person planning to go on a killing spree wouldnt talk about buying weapons
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I mean, he probably wasn't that close to his brother given that I would like to think he would have stopped him from mass murder if he could have.
They value their hunks of metal more than they do the lives of their fellow citizens. It's genuinely appalling.
"But I'm a responsible gun owner"
Well good for you mate, I'm sure there would be responsible owners of smallpox samples too if allowed but that doesn't mean it's a good idea.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/gunman-killed-50-las-vegas-150900674.html
"Stephen Paddock, who had worked previously as an accountant, was "not an avid gun guy at all," though he had a couple of handguns and a long gun, he said."
Oh. Okay. So he WAS alive immediately prior to police entry? That is not trying to toss shade on the police, just making sure that there might not have been another guy who left another dead body and got a clean get away. This is whack. Why would an old man do this? Dude was retirement age. Something this crazy, there ought to have been signs the size of HOLLYWOOD.
kamineko
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I get it, but you do realize you only came into this thread to tone police some folks responding to a shitpost, right? Maybe not your intent, but that's how it turned out. It's a big thread with a lot going on, but you want to talk about how me and two other people respond to concern trolling. Do you, but it's hard to find the patience to be on the high road with this bullshit day after day. I'm sure you can relate.
Arkansas is still bad, some ways different, some ways the same. Tactics and language evolve, but the same hateful folks are having babies and keeping their thing going.
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