I mean, this is not true at all, it's been going on forever, even post-SSB Kaio-Ken, otherwise you wouldn't have people that get tired of explaining otherwise. Neither do said posters do it in a civil manner either (When's the last time someone asked something like "Do you think Super characters be in this game?" There'd be no good reason to be hostile towards a post like that.), the majority of the time it is clearly meant to get a reaction out of others, even when they actually aren't aware that Super content is already in. On one hand, yes, we should not fall so easily for the obvious bait, but nevertheless, they clearly know what they're doing.
It's the same people saying the same thing and it's always the same people responding to the comments. At this point I'm going to put the "there won't be any Super content in the game" people in with the "yes there will, how can you-" people. If people are so defensive towards Super comments that they fall for that bait I'm just putting them in that same category. Same with the people childish enough to make posts like that in a videogame thread.
It's the same people saying the same thing and it's always the same people responding to the comments. At this point I'm going to put the "there won't be any Super content in the game" people in with the "yes there will, how can you-" people. If people are so defensive towards Super comments that they fall for that bait I'm just putting them in that same category. Same with the people childish enough to make posts like that in a videogame thread.
It's the same people saying the same thing and it's always the same people responding to the comments. At this point I'm going to put the "there won't be any Super content in the game" people in with the "yes there will, how can you-" people. If people are so defensive towards Super comments that they fall for that bait I'm just putting them in that same category. Same with the people childish enough to make posts like that in a videogame thread.
Did you read my post or were you one of the people defensive towards the Super comments that I'm talking about? I'm talking about people who are defensive towards the "there's no Super content hahah" bait posts. There's a clear difference between pointing out that Super content's in the game to people who generally wonder and pointing it out to clearly seen bait posts. If it's the latter? Yeah I'm putting them in that same category as those who make the bait posts. If it's responding to people who generally don't know that's a different idea.
It's the same people saying the same thing and it's always the same people responding to the comments. At this point I'm going to put the "there won't be any Super content in the game" people in with the "yes there will, how can you-" people. If people are so defensive towards Super comments that they fall for that bait I'm just putting them in that same category. Same with the people childish enough to make posts like that in a videogame thread.
the only thing childish is hoping that something you don't like isn't in the game to spite people who do like it.
that legit has been posted at one point during these threads. I'm super behind in Super so I have no stakes in this argument but those against Super have occasionally shown to be super fucking petty about it.
Look I hate GT but if some GT shit were to show up in this game I wouldn't be as pissy about as people have been about the MERE chance of Super stuff showing up.
the only thing childish is hoping that something you don't like isn't in the game to spite people who do like it.
that legit has been posted at one point during these threads. I'm super behind in Super so I have no stakes in this argument but those against Super have occasionally shown to be super fucking petty about it.
Look I hate GT but if some GT shit were to show up in this game I wouldn't be as pissy about as people have been about the MERE chance of Super stuff showing up.
I'm someone who turned around eventually to DB Super, but I remember feeling pretty annoyed at the series for a couple of reasons.
Inconsistent power scaling. Prior to DB Super, it was pretty easy for fans to understand how strong a character is in comparison to others. Krillin is the strongest human, but is no match for any of the Saiyans. The Androids were about as strong as SS Ultra/SS2, Buu was as strong as SS3, etc. But DB Super introduced a lot of wrinkles;
Krillin is able to hold off a SSB Kamehameha, and Android 18 swipes it away. Android 17 is somehow able to push Goku to SSB... because he trained in the forest?
It just felt like everything you used to know about DBZ was out the window without proper explanation.
The introduction of Super Saiyan God, and how it quickly became irrelevant to Super Saiyan Blue. On one hand, I understand that SS Red was a movie transformation, and they grandfathered it in to the main series while progressing forward. But I still feel like SS Red never got its fair shake - it was used once vs Golden Frieza, and then
we never see it again until the Universe tournament arc (which redeems this point a little)
. Power transformations used to at least stay around as the top dog for a couple of meaningful fights (SS1 - relevant since Frieza arc, SS2 - cell arc to Majin arc, SS3 - all of Buu arc); but this God form really feels inconsequential once SSB was introduced.
Where do we go from here? Part of what made DBZ interesting was that while the plot and combat was outlandish, it was still "relatively" grounded - it's planetary conflict. Now we're at points where people are destroying entire existences - where is the series going to go from here? How do you raise the stakes even more?
Like I said, I'm a fan now but it took me a bit to get here
Dragon Ball Super definitely has a lot of problems. Another issue I have with it is that Beerus explained that the Super Saiyan God Ki was absorbed in to Goku's Ki, so it was no longer a transformed state, but is now Goku's new base power level. This is the same Ki that's:
1) undetectable unless you are a God or have God Ki
2) was explained to be powerful enough to destroy the Universe when Goku used it to clash with Beerus early on.
The above seemed to get thrown out of the door. It seems that everyone can sense Goku's Ki even when he's in SSB mode now and he no longer has universe destroying potential even though SSB is supposed to be more powerful than base Super Saiyan God.
Everything tends to get explained away as Goku only matching his ki level to his opponents as he wants a fun fight, but it becomes weird when he can perfectly fend off an opponent in SSJ1 or SSJ2, but skips SSJ3 and goes straight to SSB even though the power scale difference is supposed to be near unfathomable.
Lastly on the Subject of Dragon Ball Super, if the Super Saiyan God ki merged with Goku's base ki, wouldn't that mean his basic SSJ transformations should be stronger than his original Super Saiyan God transformation? I originally thought SSB was a side affect of Goku going Super Saiyan while having access to his newly attained God ki that merged with his base ki.
Regardless of the above, I'm still super hyped about this upcoming game. I hope original characters form the Universal Tournament arc eventually make it into the game. I would love to see characters like Hit, Califla, Jiren, Kale, etc. see their debut in this game.
the only thing childish is hoping that something you don't like isn't in the game to spite people who do like it.
that legit has been posted at one point during these threads. I'm super behind in Super so I have no stakes in this argument but those against Super have occasionally shown to be super fucking petty about it.
Look I hate GT but if some GT shit were to show up in this game I wouldn't be as pissy about as people have been about the MERE chance of Super stuff showing up.
Dragon Ball Super definitely has a lot of problems. Another issue I have with it is that Beerus explained that the Super Saiyan God Ki was absorbed in to Goku's Ki, so it was no longer a transformed state, but is now Goku's new base power level. This is the same Ki that's:
1) undetectable unless you are a God or have God Ki
2) was explained to be powerful enough to destroy the Universe when Goku used it to clash with Beerus early on.
The above seemed to get thrown out of the door. It seems that everyone can sense Goku's Ki even when he's in SSB mode now and he no longer has universe destroying potential even though SSB is supposed to be more powerful than base Super Saiyan God.
Everything tends to get explained away as Goku only matching his key level to his opponents as he wants a fun fight, but it becomes weird when he can perfectly fend off an opponent in SSJ1 or SSJ2, but skips SSJ3 and goes straight to SSB even though the power scale difference is supposed to be near unfathomable.
Lastly on the Subject of Dragon Ball Super, if the Super Saiyan God key merged with Goku's base key, wouldn't that mean his basic SSJ transformations should be stronger than his original Super Saiyan God transformation? I originally thought SSB was a side affect of Goku going Super Saiyan while having access to his newly attained God key that merged with his base ki.
Regardless of the above, I'm still super hyped about this upcoming game. I hope original characters form the Universal Tournament arc eventually make it into the game. I would love to see characters like Hit, Califla, Jiren, Kale, etc. see their debut in this game.
the only thing childish is hoping that something you don't like isn't in the game to spite people who do like it.
that legit has been posted at one point during these threads. I'm super behind in Super so I have no stakes in this argument but those against Super have occasionally shown to be super fucking petty about it.
Look I hate GT but if some GT shit were to show up in this game I wouldn't be as pissy about as people have been about the MERE chance of Super stuff showing up.
Now-a-days, they won't let him have one arm, because of censorship/modelling/whatever, yet also won't just let him fight normally (use both hands). So he's just an Adult Gohan that has one arm hang lamely at his side when he's in combat.
Kind of defeats the purpose of the character, in my opinion.
Look I hate GT but if some GT shit were to show up in this game I wouldn't be as pissy about as people have been about the MERE chance of Super stuff showing up.
Yea, initially I used to not really mind because it wasn't all that different from people shitting on GT and not being excited for any of their characters potentially making it in, so it's wasn't that much of a leg to stand on. But damn, people take it to the next level when it comes to Super lmao, taking about wanting their game "clean" of it and what not, or being willfully ignorant of its presence.
I suppose there are too many Gokus, so Pan would be fine, I've come around on her, we could always use more female characters. Or, or, and stay with me now, we could just take SSJ4 Gogeta instead.
I've seen people say that it's from Z... Like come on man. First of all, Future West City wasn't getting that kind of shine in Z. Sure it was in the special, but they only showed it in the TV series once. On top of that, the skies are the same black and grey they are in Super, and that includes multiple visits to that timeline. It looks like they ripped the setting straight out of DBS.
Hilarious. Like really do people really think he's gonna go all out on Krillin? Even if he's SSB he can still control his power to not murder his best friend.
Lastly on the Subject of Dragon Ball Super, if the Super Saiyan God ki merged with Goku's base ki, wouldn't that mean his basic SSJ transformations should be stronger than his original Super Saiyan God transformation?
If you go by the lines as stated in the anime, Goku's SSJ1 after absorbing God Ki should be exactly as strong as SSJ God. That's what was stated during his battle with Beerus. However, like several other elements of those early episodes, they've been overwritten by the original movies, since many of those changes didn't come from Toriyama himself and he worked closer to the final product back in the movies. So, SSJ God is still above the boosted Base/SSJ1-3 and is only bellow Blue.
They can be very creative with Hit, so from a gameplay perspective, I definitely do hope that they add him. Goku Black could be very interesting too considering he's got a different style from Goku, besides his Kamehameha. If Merged Zamasu were to make it in, I wish he was an amalgamation of his anime and manga versions... I'm sorry guys, but I really liked ripped and naked torso M. Zamasu from the manga :/
I'm going to guess it goes Kid Buu/Gotenks/Ultimate Gohan for this month.
Then Beerus/Hit for next month.
But we still have January and February too. Maybe before Buu/Gotenks/Gohan we'll get like Great Saiyaman/Videl/Mr. Satan or something.
I dunno that there's an exact science to the arc order (we got Tien and Yamcha after Androids), but I agree they seem to be grouping them (they're both from Dragonball originally).
Now-a-days, they won't let him have one arm, because of censorship/modelling/whatever, yet also won't just let him fight normally (use both hands). So he's just an Adult Gohan that has one arm hang lamely at his side when he's in combat.
Kind of defeats the purpose of the character, in my opinion.
I'm almost willing to bet it's just lazy modeling on the Shin Budokai/Tenkaichi/Xenoverse side of things since they reuse a lot of animations. Let my man rock with one arm, please. I know there is like a 0% chance he'll be in this game, but he's always been one of my favorite characters regardless of how shallow he is, but I was always disappointed he had the battle scars but still had both arms.
Edit: Upon reviewing a lot of footage of him in games, a lot of his animations have him doing stuff with one arm so like what's the point of having him keep both arms?
Dragon Ball Super definitely has a lot of problems. Another issue I have with it is that Beerus explained that the Super Saiyan God Ki was absorbed in to Goku's Ki, so it was no longer a transformed state, but is now Goku's new base power level. This is the same Ki that's:
1) undetectable unless you are a God or have God Ki
2) was explained to be powerful enough to destroy the Universe when Goku used it to clash with Beerus early on.
The above seemed to get thrown out of the door. It seems that everyone can sense Goku's Ki even when he's in SSB mode now and he no longer has universe destroying potential even though SSB is supposed to be more powerful than base Super Saiyan God.
Everything tends to get explained away as Goku only matching his ki level to his opponents as he wants a fun fight, but it becomes weird when he can perfectly fend off an opponent in SSJ1 or SSJ2, but skips SSJ3 and goes straight to SSB even though the power scale difference is supposed to be near unfathomable.
Lastly on the Subject of Dragon Ball Super, if the Super Saiyan God ki merged with Goku's base ki, wouldn't that mean his basic SSJ transformations should be stronger than his original Super Saiyan God transformation? I originally thought SSB was a side affect of Goku going Super Saiyan while having access to his newly attained God ki that merged with his base ki.
Regardless of the above, I'm still super hyped about this upcoming game. I hope original characters form the Universal Tournament arc eventually make it into the game. I would love to see characters like Hit, Califla, Jiren, Kale, etc. see their debut in this game.
This is exactly what bothers me with current DBZ, the sad thing is, it's always been like this, but back in the day when we were younger, it didn't matter because it was cool as shit.
I hoped with it coming back 20 years are so after DBGT, they would of got their ducks in a row and finally put everything in perspective. I'm sure they're goal was to capture a new audience of kids, but knowing the power DBZ has, they knew everyone who watched it years ago have matured and grown, I would of wished they matured the characters as well to fit the more grown audience.
I currently read a couple of manga and watch a few animes (My Hero Academia, One Punch Man, Attack on Titans and of course DBZ Super). I had no clue how different the manga for Super was in comparison to the anime. I feel like the manga comes out once a month. Every time I see it on the site I use, it' so random. I'm going to try to catch up on it, because from what I hear it fixes a couple if the issues I currently have with the anime.
I've heard in the manga Goku and Vegeta don't even come close to being able to stand with Beerus, yet the anime makes a it look like they're just a few notches below him, and that makes it even weirder how they're not dominating the tournament when they're shown to be close to god levels.
On topic: This game needs Super Buu and Gotenks, they are MUST. I have to say, I love what I'm seeing from Yamacha. He's always been a heavy combo person, dating back to the original Budokai games and it looks like they're continuing that streak.
Other than Beerus, I think he's the Super character most likely to get in. The story allegedly takes place right after the arc where he was introduced.
I'm going to guess it goes Kid Buu/Gotenks/Ultimate Gohan for this month.
Then Beerus/Hit for next month.
But we still have January and February too. Maybe before Buu/Gotenks/Gohan we'll get like Great Saiyaman/Videl/Mr. Satan or something.
I dunno that there's an exact science to the arc order (we got Tien and Yamcha after Androids), but I agree they seem to be grouping them (they're both from Dragonball originally).
Nappa/Ginyu could go together as a pair to reveal.
I don't know about Goku Black happening for the base game since the story takes place before his arc apparently. But we'll see. I am sure worst case he'd be DLC.
Nappa/Ginyu could go together as a pair to reveal.
I don't know about Goku Black happening for the base game since the story takes place before his arc apparently. But we'll see. I am sure worst case he'd be DLC.
I believe that was a rumor that ended up being BS. Both SSJB Saiyans have moves pulled from fighting Goku Black (Vegeta has a few from fighting SSJR Black specifically), plus theres the Future Trunks arc stage. As such, the events of the story are likely either later into the Future Trunks arc or afterwards (probably the latter).
I believe that was a rumor that ended up being BS. Both SSJB Saiyans have moves pulled from fighting Goku Black (Vegeta has a few from fighting SSJR Black specifically), plus theres the Future Trunks arc stage. As such, the events of the story are likely either later into the Future Trunks arc or afterwards (probably the latter).
We'll see I guess, it's possible that info was incorrect. I wouldn't take the characters having moves from later arcs as an indication of anything one way or another though. The story could still take place earlier even if they used "later" moves for them.
I still think Beerus is a 100% lock for the base game. Hit is the next most likely. And Black the next likely after that in terms of Super characters.
I'm almost willing to bet it's just lazy modeling on the Shin Budokai/Tenkaichi/Xenoverse side of things since they reuse a lot of animations. Let my man rock with one arm, please. I know there is like a 0% chance he'll be in this game, but he's always been one of my favorite characters regardless of how shallow he is, but I was always disappointed he had the battle scars but still had both arms.
Edit: Upon reviewing a lot of footage of him in games, a lot of his animations have him doing stuff with one arm so like what's the point of having him keep both arms?
We'll see I guess, it's possible that info was incorrect. I wouldn't take the characters having moves from later arcs as an indication of anything one way or another though. The story could still take place earlier even if they used "later" moves for them.
I still think Beerus is a 100% lock for the base game. Hit is the next most likely. And Black the next likely after that in terms of Super characters.
It was the same rumor that mentioned the SSJB Saiyans as taking up the same slot as Goku & Vegeta as well as 17 being an alternate for 18 taking up the same slot.
I actually really want Nappa, and Ginyu could be interesting especially if some of his attacks involved Jeice and Burter(sp?) Could work like 18 w/17, and have some interesting setups.
My favorite arc is the Saiyan Saga, where Nappa was a force. I am a fan of the character, and really want some representation from that era of Dragon Ball.
Also, I would like more characters with large builds like 16. I would be happy to see characters such as Recoome, or Monster Zarbon.
Shieet, put Yakon on the roster lol. That's my dream pick, cause that shit ain't happening.
