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I'm not a conspiracy theorist but, wtf is this?


www.theguardian.com

Gordon Brown calls for global government to tackle coronavirus

Ex-PM at centre of 2008 banks rescue suggests taskforce of leaders and health experts
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One world government? Gee, what could go wrong?
 
Kadayi said:
Go lick some public toilet seats if you think its nothing. Your piss ant stealth 'Just the Flu Bro' BS is getting tedious to read.
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I never said it was nothing. In fact, it's the opposite. But it's not my problem when people like you turn off their brain when they're scared and are no longer unable to think objectively.
 
betrayal said:
I never said it was nothing. In fact, it's the opposite. But it's not my problem when people like you turn off their brain when they're scared and are no longer unable to think objectively.
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You think your objective? Back under your bridge Flu Bro.
 
llien said:
This is some amusing number twisting, my friend.
The jump from number of infected to population and back to poop faux conclusions is Oscar worthy.
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Ooops. Sorry.

WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!

Better?

The number of infected is not an accurate number.
The number of fatalities is.
Therefore screeching about the numbers of infected is distracting and not useful.

There are two factors that are more important than any others here.

1 - The number of critical cases and the rate of growth of that number.
2 - The number of critical cases that healthcare services can actually handle.

The number of confirmed cases is obviously going to go up as the amount of testing goes up.

Sorry, I meant to say "OMG we're all going to die".
 
Also, I find that Gordon Brown quote funny. It's only because of globalization why the entire world is infected right now.

Yet somehow, the solution is apparently MORE globalization.
 
JordanN said:
One world government?
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Let's base our conclusions on some out of the context words from a title of a fucking guardian article, shall we?

This criss needs planetary level effort, I see nothing "tricky" with his call.

Saruhashi said:
WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!

Better?
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Yeah, almost perfect.
I mean going from outright bullshit to The Straw Men is such a strong and unusual move, second Oscar for you!

Saruhashi said:
The number of infected is not an accurate number.
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Yeah, it could be as big as 350 million, if we slap in "China lies" (The Orange Man himself hinted) and stir in "South Korea perhaps too".
No need to stop at "350 million are infected, so mortality rate is extremely low".
A number of Indians is coming from, well, India to US.
1.3 billion people live there.
Nearly all might be infected.
 
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TTOOLL said:
You're right. The media has to be held accountable for bullshit like this. It just brings panic to throw numbers like this and chanting USA HAS THE MOST CASES (FUCK TRUMP)!!!!
There is a combined effort by the media all over the world to overestimate this whole situation. I wonder why...

I'm not denying the virus is dangerous and people should take care, but looking at some reports we're living through the apocalypse.

My country has had around 60 thousand violent deaths every year mostly because of drug traffic, that's 5k a month! Much more than this virus will kill at the end of all this and yet people don't care. Car accidents kill 35 thousand each year here. I mean, we just live what the media decides to focus on. Fuck them.
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Power. It's really as simple as that.
This is an opportunity for them to exert influence over the public and the politicians.

Politicians are doing what they can to slow down the inevitable.

Even if we took the "just a flu bro" stance on this,
It's just a flu. OK. What that means though is that you essentially have TWO flu seasons running concurrently.
Doubling (more than doubling actually) the number of severe respiratory illness cases, doubling the strain on healthcare and causing many, many, deaths.
So you want to slow it down and buy some time to come up with treatments and possible vaccines and to build infrastructure to cope with what will basically be an extremely severe "flu season" next winter.

There were 228 million cases of malaria worldwide in 2018 and 405,000 deaths (0.1% mortality). IN ONE YEAR.
Nobody really gives a fuck though because it doesn't get national TV coverage every single day.

I think something like this is a time for the media to stand up and be counted.
It's fine for us here on an internet forum to toss around ideas and get into arguments.
We are not experts and we probably don't see the bigger picture but we can still discuss it.
The mainstream media should have a lazer focus on reporting facts and unbiased information.
Not fucking around and trying to freak people out and stoke anger.
 
Liljagare said:
Just curious, what statistics are you looking at that state that NY isn't going into a bad situation in their hospitals, considering they themselves state they need 200% more respiratores, 100 % more ECMO's, and are running out of protective gear?

Just curious about your source here. :eek:
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Let's consider what I was replying to:

the hospitals will be swamped and will be lacking supplies to help patients (covid19 and non vovid19 patients). Then. You will start seeing ppl dying in large numbers like flies.
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Never said that individual hospitals or even cities (like NYC) would run into troubles, but people dying in large numbers like flies doesn't appear to be likely, especially since our manufacturing is already being leveraged to make respirators and various orgs are already being converted into ICU facilities (and have been for awhile).

Just curious why you'd apply unique circumstances that only affect certain megacities to the world at large :eek:
 
Scopa said:
We've got a live one...
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hariseldon said:
Someone got out of bed on the wrong side this morning.
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Bishoptl was fucking right. Keep repeating the same mistakes catering to an insular group that provides none of the perks that catering to the left does. No fun |OT| no fun gifs, no fun videogame topics, no fun movie topics, no insider information, no videogame developer commentary, no fun anything because the right is just straight up fucking boring with no artistic skills.

The right is the fucking coronavirus for fun without the actual fucking virus.
 
Saruhashi said:
Power. It's really as simple as that.
This is an opportunity for them to exert influence over the public and the politicians.

Politicians are doing what they can to slow down the inevitable.

Even if we took the "just a flu bro" stance on this,
It's just a flu. OK. What that means though is that you essentially have TWO flu seasons running concurrently.
Doubling (more than doubling actually) the number of severe respiratory illness cases, doubling the strain on healthcare and causing many, many, deaths.
So you want to slow it down and buy some time to come up with treatments and possible vaccines and to build infrastructure to cope with what will basically be an extremely severe "flu season" next winter.

There were 228 million cases of malaria worldwide in 2018 and 405,000 deaths (0.1% mortality). IN ONE YEAR.
Nobody really gives a fuck though because it doesn't get national TV coverage every single day.

I think something like this is a time for the media to stand up and be counted.
It's fine for us here on an internet forum to toss around ideas and get into arguments.
We are not experts and we probably don't see the bigger picture but we can still discuss it.
The mainstream media should have a lazer focus on reporting facts and unbiased information.
Not fucking around and trying to freak people out and stoke anger.
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If you let this it will bring death rates not imaginable by most.

That's why the world reacts , there is no vaccine. For malaria and the flu are solutions/ vaccines. It's that simple .

We are looking at worse numbers than the Spanish Flu if we do nothing .
 
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TheSadRanger said:
Bishoptl was fucking right. Keep repeating the same mistakes catering to an insular group that provides none of the perks that catering to the left does. No fun |OT| no fun gifs, no fun videogame topics, no fun movie topics, no insider information, no videogame developer commentary, no fun anything because the right is just straight up fucking boring with no artistic skills.

The right is the fucking coronavirus for fun without the actual fucking virus.
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the fuck are you ranting about. go spaz out somewhere else
 
TTOOLL said:
There is a combined effort by the media all over the world to overestimate this whole situation. I wonder why...
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Number of cases crossed 500k and is raising official figures (!).
Number of dead keeps climbing all along.
Medics complain they are overloaded and we have numerous "died, because couldn't get treatment" cases in Italy, where number of people critically ill is at thousands, not even tens of thousands.

Why did you think there are not journalists that are in denial mode, again?

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JordanN said:
I'm not a conspiracy theorist but, wtf is this?


www.theguardian.com

Gordon Brown calls for global government to tackle coronavirus

Ex-PM at centre of 2008 banks rescue suggests taskforce of leaders and health experts
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
AnluPe9.jpg



One world government? Gee, what could go wrong?
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www.bbc.com

Coronavirus: Prime Minister Boris Johnson tests positive

The health secretary also has the virus, England's chief medical officer has symptoms, and the number of UK deaths jumps to 759.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

Well then.
 
llien said:
Let's base our conclusions on some out of the context words from a title of a fucking guardian article, shall we?

This criss needs planetary level effort, I see nothing "tricky" with his call.


Yeah, almost perfect.
I mean going from outright bullshit to The Straw Men is such a strong and unusual move, second Oscar for you!


Yeah, it could be as big as 350 million, if we slap in "China lies" (The Orange Man himself hinted) and stir in "South Korea perhaps too".
No need to stop at "350 million are infected, so mortality rate is extremely low".
A number of Indians is coming from, well, India to US.
1.3 billion people live there.
Nearly all might be infected.
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Well we don't know how many are infected.
We just don't.

If we work with what we DO know then we can look at the number of confirmed deaths and the rate of growth in that number to try and get a handle on where things are at and where things are likely to go.

Like I said, it seems utterly bizarre to me that the USA with 4 deaths per million population is held up as "omg the sky is falling and the government is responsible" and Germany with 3 deaths per million population is held up as "these guys are doing the right thing".

There are realistically only 3 scenarios that could be true in the current situation.

A - The "confirmed cases" number is too low and there are loads more cases out there unrecorded so the mortality rate is lower than reported.
B - The confirmed cases number is accurate and the number of deaths is accurate so the reported mortality rate is accurate.
C - Actually there are loads of Covid-19 related deaths that were not recorded as such and as a result the mortality rate is actually higher than reported.

Most people seem to reckon it's "A".
You are more than welcome to argue otherwise but right now your "arguments" are just attacks on other people because they are saying things you wish they wouldn't say.
 
Well ... an electrician I worked with 3 years ago has been killed by China's Corona Virus at 58 years of age. Yes, he was very fat, and yes I imagine he had health issues... but still sad. Two months away from his retirement and the kind of dude that would teach younger guys instead of feeling threatened by them taking their jobs. He was happy to teach, he was happy to pass the torch to other talented electricians in this city. Left behind 3 daughters.

NUKE CHINA. Disgusting how they continue to lie about the severity of this pandemic. And if you believe their news and reports about it... you're a fucking idiot and a piece of shit communist shill.
 
llien said:
After UK's health minister getting it (weeks ago), BoJo absolutely had to, in my humble opinion:

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Well, we're about to see a very public case study on how this affects someone and if/how they manage to recover from it.

Boris is 55 and not exactly in great shape.
 
If you touch your face with latex gloves on after handling items in a supermarket, are there any risks, or does the virus not last at all on them?
 


The responses show the true face of the left. It shames me that I was left wing, and in hindsight, that toxic.
 
VertigoOA said:
NUKE CHINA. Disgusting how they continue to lie about the severity of this pandemic. And if you believe their news and reports about it... you're a fucking idiot and a piece of shit communist shill.
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Should all the people who bought products from and US companies who outsourced their entire production to china get the death penalty, too, because they helped the CCP (chinese communist party) to rise to power and thus - with their actions - willingly helped turn china into a corrupt, capitalistic dictatorship?
 
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sinnergy said:
If you let this it will bring death rates not imaginable by most.

That's why the world reacts , there is no vaccine. For malaria and the flu are solutions/ vaccines. It's that simple .

We are looking at worse numbers than the Spanish Flu if we do nothing .
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Who has been doing "nothing"?

Looks like almost every country is undergoing some kind of social distancing and/or lockdown to some extent.

Yet you are still talking about "if you do nothing"? Who is doing nothing?
 
Kadayi said:
You think your objective? Back under your bridge Flu Bro.
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I already talked here weeks ago about the case numbers that we now have. And I also said more than once that the virus is the biggest global crisis in decades. It is not my problem some people like you cannot cope with simple projections and figures and are now surprised every day anew. And all this does not justify spreading stupid nonsense here, which is clearly contradicted by simple facts already known.
This shit is serious. Nothing has ever been more threatening to this generation. But still, in the end, it's nothing that will bring about the end of the world. It will pass and most of us will be in perfect health when it does.
 
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Saruhashi said:
Well we don't know how many are infected.
We just don't.
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No, you surely now it.
You know "there are lots and lots".
Even though epidemiologists can estimate it fairly well (definitely within an order of magnitude) based on data from China and South Korea.

Saruhashi said:
USA with 4 deaths per million population
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It is a BRAINDEAD MEANINGLESS figure to compare to Germany, likely brought to you by some conservative twitter clown.
Germany was going 20k+ tests a day for more than a week now.
Its 0.5% mortality rate is largely explained by:
1) having detected much higher number of infected than US due to more intensive testing
2) Critical patients on masks taking weeks to die

South Korea's 1.1% mortality rate _in_case_of_everyone_getting_intensive_medical_assistance_ is not up for disputes.
Nor is % of critical cases.
This is how we figure approximate number of "really" infected.
 
Meowzers said:
If you touch your face with latex gloves on after handling items in a supermarket, are there any risks, or does the virus not last at all on them?
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I would say "better safe than sorry" mate.

Better to not touch your face at all. If you must though then do so AFTER washing hands with soap.
Especially after touching a bunch of stuff at a supermarket you should be extra careful.
 
TheSadRanger said:
Bishoptl was fucking right. Keep repeating the same mistakes catering to an insular group that provides none of the perks that catering to the left does. No fun |OT| no fun gifs, no fun videogame topics, no fun movie topics, no insider information, no videogame developer commentary, no fun anything because the right is just straight up fucking boring with no artistic skills.

The right is the fucking coronavirus for fun without the actual fucking virus.
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Bishop mass banned hundreds of moderates for the crime of not being as emotionally tilted as he was. Bishop was wrong. Have your meltdown somewhere else.
 
Meowzers said:
If you touch your face with latex gloves on after handling items in a supermarket, are there any risks, or does the virus not last at all on them?
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Yeah, the gloves are useless if you touch your face with them, it's just as bad as not having them at all. That's why the message is focused on washing your hands.
 
Saruhashi said:
Well, we're about to see a very public case study on how this affects someone and if/how they manage to recover from it.

Boris is 55 and not exactly in great shape.
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Him surviving, or even dying, would prove exactly jack shit, with only difference being that conspiracy theoritst in denial would have harder time with the second option.
www.cnn.com

UK diplomat, 37, dies after contracting coronavirus | CNN

A senior British diplomat stationed in Hungary has died after contracting coronavirus, the UK’s Foreign Office said on Wednesday.
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llien said:
It is a BRAINDEAD MEANINGLESS figure to compare to Germany, likely brought to you by some conservative twitter clown.
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www.worldometers.info

Coronavirus Update (Live): 130,949,997 Cases and 2,852,987 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...
www.worldometers.info www.worldometers.info

Last column on the right of the table.

The same website that most are using for their figures, I believe?

Maybe you need to calm down a bit.
 
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Saruhashi said:
www.worldometers.info

Coronavirus Update (Live): 130,949,997 Cases and 2,852,987 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...
www.worldometers.info www.worldometers.info

Last column on the right of the table.

The same website that most are using for their figures, I believe?

Maybe you need to calm down a bit.
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We've passed the point where people get angry that you're snatching their panic away with the same facts and figures they're using to promote panic. US media got caught censoring press conferences. Really makes ya wonder who is on whose side.

6 months from now it's gonna be wild looking back at the doomsday predictions. Hopefully people self-reflect and find enlightenment. Can't imagine how they'd fare in a truly apocalyptic collapse.
 
DunDunDunpachi said:
doomsday prediction
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Cite them, so that we have a reference 6 months from now.

Let me simplify it for you, here is what I gotta tell:
1) About 1% of population is the absolute minimum you could get away with, if you do not overwhelm medics
2) If number of infected goes to millions, you will overwhelm them and get 3-5% mortality rate, if not worse
3) With current measures (today is 27th of March) in the Western World, bar Australia, the problem will not go away for months to come

Saruhashi said:
The same website that most are using for their figures, I believe?
A figure is on a legit site, so I can cherry pick it to make a nonsensical argument?
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FTFY
And no, you can't.
 
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DunDunDunpachi said:
We've passed the point where people get angry that you're snatching their panic away with the same facts and figures they're using to promote panic. US media got caught censoring press conferences. Really makes ya wonder who is on whose side.

6 months from now it's gonna be wild looking back at the doomsday predictions. Hopefully people self-reflect and find enlightenment. Can't imagine how they'd fare in a truly apocalyptic collapse.
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Yup. I've basically been using that site almost exclusively when looking into this.

Yet when I talk about one of the figures they include in their data suddenly I'm getting my info from "conservatives on twitter" because people don't want to discuss that stat.

betrayal betrayal openly admits that they think this is the biggest global crisis in decades but gets put on blast for pointing out that the death toll will not be as high as the panic merchants are predicting.

That's what it basically comes down to.
 
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