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JordanN said:
Sadly, this is not an April Fools joke.

www.thestar.com

Food prices set to rise amid COVID-19 crisis

Experts say food costs are under a lot of pressure, but that low oil prices are helping mitigate that pressure so far.
www.thestar.com www.thestar.com

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You better start making that cash before bread costs $1000 dollars.
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It's because Canada has a petro dollar and imports a lot of things made produced in the States or that passes through there, increasing the price. As such, since the dollar is tanking because oil is tanking, that will make prices go up. That being said, of course, with cheap gas, the savings in transport cost certainly won't be passed on to the consumer.
 
U.S. deaths for March 31 were revised upward to 912, according to Worldometer. Total U.S. deaths now exceed 4,000. Oh, and here is a piece about Trump and how he dithered for 6 weeks:
www.theguardian.com

The missing six weeks: how Trump failed the biggest test of his life

The president was aware of the danger from the coronavirus – but a lack of leadership has created an emergency of epic proportions
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
When the definitive history of the coronavirus pandemic is written, the date 20 January 2020 is certain to feature prominently. It was on that day that a 35-year-old man in Washington state, recently returned from visiting family in Wuhan in China, became the first person in the US to be diagnosed with the virus.

On the very same day, 5,000 miles away in Asia, the first confirmed case of Covid-19 was reported in South Korea. The confluence was striking, but there the similarities ended.

In the two months since that fateful day, the responses to coronavirus displayed by the US and South Korea have been polar opposites.

One country acted swiftly and aggressively to detect and isolate the virus, and by doing so has largely contained the crisis. The other country dithered and procrastinated, became mired in chaos and confusion, was distracted by the individual whims of its leader, and is now confronted by a health emergency of daunting proportions.
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Doc Honk said:
I am wondering why Slovakia of all places seems to be one step ahead of the curve on lockdowns tbh. Chinese/Russian puppet state?
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We had something like this in Poland in 1981 but that was due to political reasons not global pandemic, also Orban in Hungary got unlimited power yesterday - this shit is fucked up. Central European countries still seem quite low on cases/deaths compared to western Europe. Poland is more locked starting today but you can still go to work/shops.


Captain Zyrain said:
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andrespi said:
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I really believe living like this is worse than being an animal in a cage and believe that living like this is not worth it, but unfortunately the majority of people in my town/country apparently prefers a terrible life of this locked 24 hours a day just out of fear for a virus, so there isn't much I can do. if I ever get the chance (considering that my country will soon be reduced to ashes economically speaking if they keep companies and activities in complete lockdown) and things will ever get back to normal, i will think about leaving this country and moving somewhere else where they understand that you can't stop living completely forever just out fo fear for something that might not even happen.
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This is worse than being an animal in a cage? The human equivalent to living as an animal in a cage is being in prison. Right now you are at home, with a bunch of things to do (books, movies, games, music, various hobbies) and you are in a safe environment. You can cook your own food and decide how you want to spend your day.

This is not an ideal situation but we all have to make the best of it. But it is nowhere near the level of being locked in a cage. That would be prison. You aren't in prison.
 
Captain Zyrain said:
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www.bloomberg.com

China Concealed Extent of Virus Outbreak, U.S. Intelligence Says

China has concealed the extent of the coronavirus outbreak in its country, under-reporting both total cases and deaths it’s suffered from the disease, the U.S. intelligence community concluded in a classified report to the White House, according to three U.S. officials.
www.bloomberg.com www.bloomberg.com
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Who is this guy you keep posting tweets from and why does he keep writing in all caps?
 
MrMephistoX said:
That's what I thought! Wearing rubber gloves and looking like a serial killer with my mask
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outside from now on. We have a ton of them.
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I never understood the need for gloves. If you are touchy with your face, it doesn't matter if the virus is sitting on rubber or your skin. And if you have good hand hygiene, you don't need to worry either way. Gloves are pointless.
 
Didn't sleep much last night after reading about all the details. I think I have to trust all the smart people working on it otherwise I'll get too depressed. I think I've been getting too attached to the most optimistic scenarios because I want to believe the people I know who are sick will get better. A few days ago I was told my dad who is over 65, has diabetes, hypertension, etc and takes a lot of pills was not doing too well but I've heard today that he's improving now.

I'm starting to hear from people who are trying to get government assistance otherwise they might lose their house, etc. Hopefully the banks can't do shit for a while and it's not a repeat of 2008
 
betrayal said:
PS: The average age of people admitted to the ICU in the UK may very well be 60 and if half of those are dying, you can be pretty sure, that 90% of the dead are older than 60.
That's just another good example of how much you can interpret into some statistics if you give them exactly this leeway. In my eyes, these are worthless statistics. But media and advertising of course take advantage of that.
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It has nothing to do with the mainstream media. The only people I even take notice of in this whole mess, are the doctors and experts

 
Captain Zyrain said:
I have no clue who it is, likely a random. However he posts the info straight, and usually beats the official account to the punch (and has never been wrong), so take that for what you will.
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Why would you lock down and build 12 large hospitals in weeks , was clear to me in January that it was much worse ..

Without counter intelligence!
 
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Do we think we'll see similar numbers coming out in the US for April? March was hit or miss, with almost all the states not locking down until the end of the month.

April should be record low for a LOT of businesses.



Spain update:

 
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Italy:

+727 deaths (837 yesterday)
+4782 cases (4053 yesterday)

After 2 days of barely hitting 4000 cases, we're back up to 4700+.

Deaths will continue to fluctuate but I wouldn't say this is a bad or good update.

 
NY update.. wow



+391 deaths
+7917 cases

They also do an evening update later in the day.



NY has a 2.3% CFR

US as a whole is 2.2% but NY makes up almost half of all cases and deaths.
 
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UK update 29474 (+4324) a 17.1% increase which unfortunately marks an upward spike after the trending down of the previous days (13.5, 13.7, 14.2, 17.5, 25%). Perhaps maybe a resultant of people not taking the whole quarantine thing seriously at the weekend and meeting up with their friends etc, but honestly at this juncture who knows. Of the New tests carried out (9793) 44.1% were positive that marked an increase of as well. Hopefully, %s will trend downward tomorrow, but not a good day overall given the previous days direction.
 
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Kadayi said:


UK update 29474 (+4324) a 17.1% increase which unfortunately marks an upward spike after the trending down of the previous days (13.5, 13.7, 14.2, 17.5, 25%). Perhaps maybe a resultant of people not taking the whole quarantine thing seriously at the weekend and meeting up with their friends etc, but honestly at this juncture who knows. Of the New tests carried out (9793) 44.1% were positive that marked an increase of as well. Hopefully, %s will trend downward tomorrow, but not a good day overall given the previous days direction.
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I saw this come across earlier today:



I wonder if the increase in traffic is tied to more people thinking it all isn't that bad?

I have to imagine a LOT of places have the potential to explode again if people stop taking precautions.
 
Captain Zyrain said:
I saw this come across earlier today:



I wonder if the increase in traffic is tied to more people thinking it all isn't that bad?

I have to imagine a LOT of places have the potential to explode again if people stop taking precautions.
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Yeah, I went for a walk through the City streets today for my exercise (the local park is way too busy in the day for my tastes) and I was quite surprised to see a lot of cars about. Nowhere near as much as usual, but still given you're either working or going to the shops, it did seem like a lot of traffic for a Wednesday afternoon.
 
holygeesus said:
It has nothing to do with the mainstream media. The only people I even take notice of in this whole mess, are the doctors and experts

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Thank you for the link. There are some interesting things here.

One problem of the video is the report on which the whole thing is based. There the connection between COVID-19 and previous illnesses is only vaguely shown. One problem of the video is the report on which the whole thing is based. There the connection between COVID-19 and pre-existing conditions is not very convincing, because only very few pre-existing conditions are statistically recorded. At first sight this is not that bad, but if you look at the PDF and see how these serious pre-existing conditions (aka very severe comorbidities) are defined, I find it a bit far from reality.

* Very severe comorbidities are defined as: Cardiovascular: symptoms at rest; Respiratory: shortness of breath with light activity or home ventilation; Renal: RRT for end-stage renal disease; Liver: biopsy-proven cirrhosis, portal hypertension or hepatic encephalopathy; Metastatic disease: distant metastases; Haematological malignancy: acute or chronic leukaemia, multiple myeloma or lymphoma; Immunocompromise: chemotherapy, radiotherapy or daily high dose steroid treatment in previous 6 months, HIV/AIDS or congenital immune deficiency.
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These are indeed very extreme pre-existing conditions. The vast majority suffer from such pre-existing conditions, but not to such a great degree. The report, however, gives the impression that the other people were all relatively healthy, which was certainly not the case. By the way, about one third of the patients are overweight and more than two thirds have very significant, i.e. pathological, overweight


Next is organ support for patiens with COVID-19 admitted to ICU:

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17% of the patients needed renal support, 84.2% of all patients required basic cardiovascular support (central venous catheter, arterial line, single IV vasoactive/rhythm controlling drug) and 20.6% required advanced cardiovascular support (multiple IV/rhythm controlling drugs [at least one vasoactive], continuous observation of cardiac output, intra-aortic balloon pump, temporary cardiac pacemaker) during their stay. Healthy people admitted to ICU do not need this kind of additonal support in addition to respiratory support. At least that is what the currently available data indicate.

Ultimately, unfortunately, the report and therefore the video does not allow for an objective statement as to which age groups are particularly at risk. Besides the things mentioned here, there are more things about this report that do not allow a general statement. On the other hand the most important evidence is still the fact that all official statistics on deaths clearly show that old people and people with pre-conditions are much more at risk.
 
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I can't even read the era virus thread. All they do is talk about trump most of the time, and themselves crying and feeling hopeless. That whole site feeds off each others bizarre brains. That whole off topic board. Filled with incels and emotionally unstable people. It's pretty gross.

Thank the gods for this thread here. I get people are nervous... but sheesh. Get a grip.
 
Captain Zyrain said:
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www.bloomberg.com

China Concealed Extent of Virus Outbreak, U.S. Intelligence Says

China has concealed the extent of the coronavirus outbreak in its country, under-reporting both total cases and deaths it’s suffered from the disease, the U.S. intelligence community concluded in a classified report to the White House, according to three U.S. officials.
www.bloomberg.com www.bloomberg.com
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It is now obvious, of course, that the figures from China cannot be correct. On the other hand, the fact that they have got it under control to some extent (according to official statements) makes it even more interesting. If this is not the case, this will be very evident in the coming weeks and months.
On the other hand, you shouldn't be surprised about such news from the US. The other departments, which are not involved in the direct fight against corona, of course also want to have something to do that at least changes the perception and gives people reasons to trust the government by pointing their fingers at others. If you portray other countries in a bad way (no matter if justified or not), then this always casts a better light on your own country and crisis management.
 
Setzer said:
I guarantee you, with China lying and not knowing the true # of people infected around the world, we're already over 1 mil, probably over 5 mil infected right now.
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The official "first" cases haven't even been adjusted in many countries in spite of reports coming out of much earlier infection times. For instance:

DunDunDunpachi said:
Well, looks like the UK is starting to ask the same questions that a handful of us have been pointing out for awhile: Wuhan coronavirus has likely been out in the wild longer than Official Reports™ are claiming.

www.telegraph.co.uk

UK patient zero? East Sussex family may have been infected with coronavirus as early as mid-January

If confirmed, it would mean outbreak in Britain started more than a month earlier than is currently thought
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk

A family from East Sussex may have been Britain's first coronavirus victims, catching the virus in mid-January after one of them visited an Austrian ski resort that is now under investigation for allegedly covering up the early outbreak.

If confirmed by official tests, it would mean the outbreak in Britain started more than a month earlier than currently thought.

As things stand, the first recorded UK case was on January 31, and the earliest documented incidence of transmission within Britain occurred on February 28.

IT consultant Daren Bland, 50, was skiing in Ischgl, Austria from January 15 to 19 with three friends, two from Denmark and one from Minnesota in America.

All three fell ill on their return with classic coronavirus symptoms, and Mr Bland passed on the infection to his wife and children in Maresfield, East Sussex.

EDIT: Austria's first case according to Official Reports™ was February 25th, from two travelers from Italy. Denmark's first case was February 27th. Minnesota's first case was March 7th. Guess all those estimates are out the window, too.
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And confirmed by data modeling:

nymag.com

Oxford Model: Coronavirus May Have Already Infected Half of U.K. Population

If the hypothetical model is proven by antibody testing, it would mean minuscule hospitalization rates for coronavirus cases in the country.
nymag.com nymag.com
 
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