Malakhov
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What a load of bullshit. You do know that most kids suicides which can go as young as 5 years olds is most commonly related to impulsivity and a lack of knowledge about consequences, right?
Man this is sickening to hear this shit
Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check
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Man this is sickening to hear this shit
Chittagong
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Latest UK deaths figure 436, sharply down from 909 last Tuesday. Rolling average has not been updated yet but it has dropped to 552
Raven117
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That's false and you know it.
I'm starting to think you may be arguing In bad faith or are a bot.
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iconmaster
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Please provide support for your novel interpretation of history.
Here's mine: a few typical "flatten the curve" infographics. Note the dotted lines and their labels.
"HEALTH CARE SYSTEM CAPACITY"
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darkestdame
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Stitch
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Expiration dates are a bullshit. It's microwave soup, you can still eat that shit til the next pandemic.
synchronicity
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I'm not trying to start a "are video games bad?" debate or derail this topic. Obviously I'm a huge gamer myself, so that should clear my position up.
But I do want to say that gaming, especially twitchy response, fast reaction type games, can have an effect on the nervous system - especially in the young who are exposed to a continuous diet. The constant rapid reaction to stimulus can "re-wire" the nervous response. And, for some, leads to an impetuousness that might not have otherwise been there. You're so used to having an *immediate* response to stimulus, and sometimes that stimulus comes from within - from emotion, but the response has been trained to take action right now, with no opportunity for cool down. I've seen it in plenty of youth who spend more time gaming that what (I would say) is healthy.
Not everyone will have these issues, but some nervous systems are more sensitive to inertia than others. And in general, I do believe that the human nervous system wasn't designed to respond to such a flood of input that we are subject to in the modern world, gaming aside.
I do feel for the kid and the father. Every parent's greatest dread is having to bury their child.
llien
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Truth be told, there was never a consistent worldwide "when we reopen" plan.Please provide support for your novel interpretation of history.
Here's mine: a few typical "flatten the curve" infographics. Note the dotted lines and their labels.
"HEALTH CARE SYSTEM CAPACITY"
The first chart is from Boris Johnson presentation, it wildly misrepresents "capacity" of HS and on top of it UK has made a 180 turn in mid March (the picture above is from before the turn)
MisterFalcon
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Those flatten the curve graphs are quite pointless without any numbers on either axis. In all these examples the time it takes with a lockdown is about twice what it would take without. In reality it's more like 50 times as long. Also the healthcare capacity should be only a few pixels above the starting line and not 50% of the peak outbreak cases, with no measures at all you're looking at dozens of times the capacity in patients needing care, if not hundreds.
Something like this.
Something like this.
HellforLeather
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Schattenjäger
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interested in hearing more; do you have any links to more information?
iconmaster
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I don't disagree, but those are the kinds of graphs we've seen frequently. Are they more propagandistic than informative? Yeah, probably.
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Deleted member 17706
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Completely false. That was never part of the deal.
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Deleted member 17706
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Please provide support for your novel interpretation of history.
Here's mine: a few typical "flatten the curve" infographics. Note the dotted lines and their labels.
"HEALTH CARE SYSTEM CAPACITY"
Thank you. Note that the total number of cases is going to be the same either way. It's always been about slowing the spread so that the health care system can handle the inbound patients.
"Stay home, save lives." is such a disturbing mantra being used to justify all sorts of ridiculous shit.
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cryptoadam
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I am going to assume this is a parody or a joke right?
If not WTH, wasting fuel and time when someone being in some remote park is safer than locking someone in a giant apartment building.
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Deleted member 17706
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"We must all suffer together."
South Korea is showing that reducing the number to a point where you can contact trace every infected is possible. They have single digit number of infected in weeks.
Germany is planing the same, heavily investing in contact tracing ( even letting the army handle it ).
Now obviously i think it's too late for that in the US. Would have to be strict lockdowns for at least another 1-2 months. Won't happen. But if the reaction would have been better, it surely was a possibility.
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diffusionx
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Please provide support for your novel interpretation of history.
Here's mine: a few typical "flatten the curve" infographics. Note the dotted lines and their labels.
"HEALTH CARE SYSTEM CAPACITY"
In reality, though, the "cases with protective measures" should be about half or quarter as high along the Y axis. We didn't come close to capacity, which is why Cuomo went from MUH VENTILATORS to "who wants muh ventilators?"
So if that turned out to be the case, it's an open question as to how high the "cases without protective measures" would be. It's quite possible that it would be under the capacity line as well.
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xellos2099alpha
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A complete lockdown for 1-2 month would probably solve the issue in the long run but think about it, people would call Trump a dictator if the beginning of march he annouce a total shutdown.
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Are South Korea and Germany just going to ban international travel until a vaccine is readily available?
Nationwide contact tracing was never going to happen in the US in my opinion. I just don't think the level of cooperation with something like that exists.
bRacing
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The irradiated Oompa Loompa is upset.
Yeah, by the time Trump was done with his idiotic "it's a hoax by the Democrats", we were already too screwed to even attempt the South Korean method. I can't imagine how hard they laugh in South Korea when Trump and his cronies attempt to claim they're handling Corona better than anyone else.
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Joe T.
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The problem with national/international contact tracing that's worth anything is that it will have governments tapping tech giants and phone companies for location data 24/7/365 and we will be trapped in a scenario where the entire world is basically following in China's footsteps. I definitely do not want to go down that road.
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Deleted member 17706
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Absolutely. It's not worth it at all.
I don't think so. But heavy testing of people that travel In including probably stay at home order until the results are there. WIth testing improving i'm sure we'll get fast tests in a few months that could solve this problem.
Yes. I don't think it's possible in many countries beside Asian countries. Germany got "lucky" and where pretty fast in reacting and testing huge numbers. That's why they "could" ( Still to be seen ) achieve that with only a few weeks of Lockdown.
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Deleted member 17706
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That didn't happen. You're either a troll or just completely deranged.
Yeah, testing + mandatory quarantine of international travelers basically kills international travel...
I suppose if you could get a test on the spot (as part of customs) with nearly instant results and let free if you come up negative, that would work, but that doesn't seem very realistic. Everyone's taking a huge gamble even just getting on an airplane if a positive result means they just wasted thousands of dollars.
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synchronicity
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I don't have anything in particular that I want to share, but there is plenty of information readily available on the debilitating effects of a sympathetic-dominant nervous system. The body is not designed to handle a consistently elevated fight or flight state, which is exactly the outcome for many when playing some types of games, especially for prolonged periods. And the young are, of course, still developing and more susceptible to changes brought about by environment. As with most things, balance is key.
Why? Fast Testing and Testing of people that enter your country should be mandatory anyways. Pretty sure if this is avaible the US Will follow.
darkestdame
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Lol that's what you want to hear as the projections get worse with threats of a second wave.
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I know I wouldn't risk spending thousands of dollars in airfare and hotel/airBnB cancellations taking my family to a foreign country if our being allowed entry was contingent on the result of a coronavirus test, especially since our chances of catching it on the airplane itself are pretty damn high.
Joe T.
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It's quite clear that you're making no attempt at all to discuss the issues, avoiding questions posed to you and using this thread as another avenue to attack the US with misleading claims that have been repeatedly corrected.
The hoax comment, corrected for the umpteenth time by FactCheck.org:
Democratic Ad Twists Trump's 'Hoax' Comment - FactCheck.org
The Democratic super PAC Priorities USA Action has been running an ad falsely suggesting President Donald Trump called the coronavirus outbreak a "hoax."
www.factcheck.org
A country the size of the US with all its international travel never had any chance whatsoever at containment because the virus was already spreading worldwide long before anyone realized its long incubation period, its contagiousness or what the infected even looked like (re: mild/asymptomatic) back in January:
French doctors say they found a Covid-19 patient from December | CNN
There’s new evidence that the coronavirus may have been in France weeks earlier than was previously thought.
www.cnn.com
Did you already have coronavirus in January or February?
The coronavirus started spreading within the United States in January, but chances that you have had it are probably low.
This is what you look like to me right now:
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Deleted member 17706
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Tells us to stay home, save lives, nips out to give his mistress one!
The experts.
cryptoadam
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Tells us to stay home, save lives, nips out to give his mistress one!
This is almost bad as that clown Chicago mayor who said she will arrest people for seeing their friends but then told everyone to shut up and she needs a haircut cuz she's on national media!
bRacing
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Not that we needed more evidence of this to know that Trump failed miserably to address the issue:
www.cnn.com
Ousted vaccine director files whistleblower complaint alleging coronavirus warnings were ignored | CNN Politics
Dr. Rick Bright, the ousted director of the office involved in developing a coronavirus vaccine, formally filed an extensive whistleblower complaint Tuesday alleging his early warnings about the coronavirus were ignored and that his caution at a treatment favored by President Donald Trump led to...
www.cnn.com
cryptoadam
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Impeachment 3: Coronavirus edition
And this person is being represented by the same lawyers who represented Ballsy Ford, but refused Tara Reade.
And this person is being represented by the same lawyers who represented Ballsy Ford, but refused Tara Reade.
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Deleted member 17706
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Not that we needed more evidence of this to know that Trump failed miserably to address the issue:
Ousted vaccine director files whistleblower complaint alleging coronavirus warnings were ignored | CNN Politics
Dr. Rick Bright, the ousted director of the office involved in developing a coronavirus vaccine, formally filed an extensive whistleblower complaint Tuesday alleging his early warnings about the coronavirus were ignored and that his caution at a treatment favored by President Donald Trump led to...
Hindsight is 20/20. In the moment that guy was probably looked at as being overly dramatic and blowing things out of proportion, which is likely why he was excluded.
Anyone saying the Trump administration failed miserably in its response needs to answer why no other western nation (hell, no other nation besides South Korea and Taiwan) was prepared for this and took decisive action in January. It seems pretty damn unlikely that the US had 100% exclusivity on crucial information about the situation in China.
Chittagong
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Tells us to stay home, save lives, nips out to give his mistress one!
she looks hot so right call tbh
lockdown will be cancelled soon though as a result
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hariseldon
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It's like a cunt sock puppet tag team. Not a single brain cell between the pair, capable only of repeating the mantra CNN and the New York Times fed them: Orange Man Bad. If they break with that programming their circuits might just melt.
bRacing
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Says the puppet with the #fuckchina avatar.
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hariseldon
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Look at your bum buddy giving that a fire reaction. Stop gargling each other's cum and learn to debate.
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bRacing
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hariseldon
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Amusing given literally all you post is half baked hot takes. Let's call them lukewarm takes. Don't forget to give your boyfriend a reach around.You're blowing back my hair with these hot takes.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
It's not a joke unfortunately. See the thread for the Facebook link.
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