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[Scotty W]

I have never played through this game before, but everything about it is touched with frustration. The frustration seems to be built in to the game design itself. Just from the first level:

- Look for Blue coins.
-Because you can’t angle the camera up, watch the shadow of the pirhana plant and then shoot it down. This is a recurrent source of annoyance.
-Constantly attack you with minor enemies while you try to perform a basic task.
-Spend a few minutes spraying Metal Mario as he runs pointlessly around.
-The cloud that waits for you to land on a high up platform and then knocks you off, forcing you to repeat the climb again.
- Jumping OUT of the dirty lake is needlessly annoying.
-What were they thinking making the bonus stages so difficult ON THE FIRST LEVEL?

I have to force myself to play this. When I finally accomplish something difficult, I don’t feel satisfaction, but annoyance toward the designer. I am a huge Mario fan, but I am mot having fun.

 

[jimjonjimmy]

Wait till you get to the hotel.

 

[Fermbiz]

Roller Coaster stage balloons.....

 

[Star-Lord]

Wait till you get to the hotel.

Fuck, the one mission where you have to clean up every last drop of goop in a very strict time limit nearly broke me.

 

[Codes 208]

For collectathons i still prefer it over banjo tooie at least but otherwise yeah def not the best mario.

 

[Velius]

Pulling teeth is fun

I must be the only one who had fun with Sunshine

 

[Andyliini]

I agree, it's by far the worst game Nintendo has ever produced. I have no idea how so many bad idead were crammed into a single product. I too had huge problems with some star sprites and would have probably never found all of the blue coind without a guide.

Thankfully Galaxy fixed all of it's problems.

 

[N0S]

Still the best after SM64.

 

[PaintTinJr]

Scotty W Sorry, completely disagree, and I've been playing it recently on the cube. It is the pinnacle of mario platforming for anyone that loves a game with an easy to play, hard to master learning curve. It has the best music of nearly any Nintendo adventure game IMHO.

My only gripe with the game is that it had nothing extra to give on total completion - getting everything IIRC.

We're currently playing through Sack Boy's Big Adventure which is a brilliant homage to platforming, with some really difficult/rewarding levels, but it still isn't quite ever at Sunshine's level.

 

[NeoIkaruGAF]

You mean, cleaning teeth?

Anyway, yeah, there's more stuff in Sunshine that I hate than stuff that I like to come back to.

 

[Punished Miku]

It's the most difficult 3D Mario by far. I personally loved it.

When I played it the first time though, we had a group of about 4 people who all obsessed over Mario 64, and played it constantly. We would trade off every shine, or blue coin. The difficulty is just too much for some people to handle alone. We'd have many coins or shines that took a few of us trying to get.

I think it's not flawless, but probably my favorite Mario. Love the setting and the graphics style. Love the difficulty and complex platforming. You may just want to spread it out over time and get a couple shines / coins then call it a night. We also had to use a guide to get 100% back in the day, but we did it.

 

[Kokoloko85]

Uhh, I found Mario Galaxy way more frustrating and annoying controls. I loved 64, Sunshine and Odyssey.
Galaxy is my least favourite Mario games and I didnt even bother finishing Mario Galaxy 2

 

[synchronicity]

I loved it. I should go back and play it again.

 

[Werewolf Jones]

Someone is getting pleb filtered.

 

[Knightime_X]

When this game was new about 2 months in I 100% the game and only died like 4 times.
I must've been in the zone that day.

 

[killatopak]

It’s not the best yeah..

 

[Stuart360]

I havent looking into this to see if its true but i have always thought that Sunshine didnt start out as a Mario game, and was just converted to a Mario game later in development, Mario Bros 2 style.
I'm probably totally wrong on that but thats the feeling the game always gave me back then.

 

[Von Hugh]

 

[Scotty W]

It's the most difficult 3D Mario by far. I personally loved it.

I really enjoy a lot of the difficult stuff in 3d Marios, because it feels like it is my fault when I fail. The difficulty feels cheap, like the MK3 ai.

Will it get better?

 

[Punished Miku]

I really enjoy a lot of the difficult stuff in 3d Marios, because it feels like it is my fault when I fail. The difficulty feels cheap, like the MK3 ai.

Will it get better?

It doesn't really change if you're not into it now.

 

[Star-Lord]

Pulling teeth is fun

I must be the only one who had fun with Sunshine

Don’t get me wrong, I enjoyed the majority of the main storyline missions, but the red coin stages and bonus stages, and that awful hotel stage can all burn in gaming hell.

Still the best after SM64.

Super Mario Galaxy says what?

 

[01011001]

Still the best after SM64.

Sunshine is the worst 3D mario, and it's not even close

 

[Punished Miku]

Sunshine is the worst 3D mario, and it's not even close

1. Mario Sunshine
2. Mario 64
3. Mario Galaxy 1
4. Mario Odyssey
5. Mario Galaxy 2
6. 3D Land
7. 3D World

That's about where I would rank them personally. Sunshine has one of the more complicated movesets. 3D World easily has the least complicated move set and feels a bit worse to control than all the others.

 

[01011001]

1. Mario Sunshine
2. Mario 64
3. Mario Odyssey
4. Mario Galaxy 1
5. Mario Galaxy 2
6. 3D Land
7. 3D World

That's about where I would rank them personally. Sunshine has one of the more complicated movesets. 3D World easily has the least complicated move set and feels a bit worse to control than all the others.

it having a deep moveset sadly doesn't outweigh the issues it has for me.

the camera is an abomination, clipping through everything and behind everything, which being hard to control.

the movement often feels sluggish, especially using the jetpack

and just the flow of the game is really weird, with kinda boring level design/layout and annoying sequences.

also I would argue, Odyssey's movement is way more advanced (and feels like 30times better as well)

 

[Saber]

Aways tried to play this game, honestly. Maybe 5 or 6 times.

But aways ends up quitting after 2 zones. Theres something cool in this game but theres also things that keep away from playing it.

 

[Star-Lord]

1. Mario Sunshine
2. Mario 64
3. Mario Odyssey
4. Mario Galaxy 1
5. Mario Galaxy 2
6. 3D Land
7. 3D World

That's about where I would rank them personally. Sunshine has one of the more complicated movesets. 3D World easily has the least complicated move set and feels a bit worse to control than all the others.

Miku, I generally agree with you on a lot of things, but this simply will not fly. Sunshine above Galaxy and 64? Oh, dear.

 

[SantaC]

Blue coins are optional. I am tired of this compliant.

 

[BlackTron]

Back then I resented that they made a Mario game all about water with horrible swimming controls.

I wished they had just copy/pasted it from Mario 64.

 

[SantaC]

Mario Odyssey is garbage and the worst Mario 3D game by far.

 

[Bridges]

It's got plenty of issues but the majority of the really frustrating missions are optional. If you just stick to the mainline quests it's not so bad except certain parts.

The level of control and mobility you have with the FLUDD has yet to be matched

 

[PaintTinJr]

I really enjoy a lot of the difficult stuff in 3d Marios, because it feels like it is my fault when I fail. The difficulty feels cheap, like the MK3 ai.

Will it get better?

The two questions I would have for you would be: 1) Are you prepared to master the camera control to the same level you can control the character ? because fast camera man skills in Sunshine are probably the number 1 problem good gamers have at failing tasks IMHO. And 2) How big a screen do you have access to play on? My first play through was on a 150" projection onto a wall - when progressive scan/480p was a thing with Panasonic Projectors.

Being able to per pixel control Mario's movement speed makes a big difference IMO, because the tough parts of walking at high heights - that a game like AC puts on rails with a fixed animation - are freeflow for mario and really require camera motion and player movement done in unison to succeed.

 

[Punished Miku]

The two questions I would have for you would be: 1) Are you prepared to master the camera control to the same level you can control the character ?

That is so true. And unfortunately why they decided to simplify 3D Mario ever since. This was their last attempt at pushing the boundaries of 3D platforming.

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

So this Mario is a hardcore game?

I never play this Mario.... But the controversy im gonna give the chance to play it.

 

[ManaByte]

 

[Punished Miku]

So this Mario is a hardcore game?

I never play this Mario.... But the controversy im gonna give the chance to play it.

• It is hardcore
• It has a small handful of objectively bad quests
• It has some gameplay elements that show its age a bit

 

[EverydayBeast]

I learned many years ago don’t play a Mario or Zelda game without a guide, I see many people have trouble with those games.

 

[Star-Lord]

So this Mario is a hardcore game?

Sunshine and Mario 64 are the two hardest Mario games by far, with Sunshine just taking the top spot. Some of the main platforming sections require pin-point precision, otherwise instant death awaits. And some of the bonus stages and coin collecting stages are a ball ache. But overall, a damn enjoyable game that presents a worthy challenge.

 

[zeomax]

I agree, it's by far the worst game Nintendo has ever produced. I have no idea how so many bad idead were crammed into a single product. I too had huge problems with some star sprites and would have probably never found all of the blue coind without a guide.

At the time of this game Nintendo was trying the reduce the game development time to two years for their games. The devs had no time to give this game the finial polish. Thats why it has so many annoying parts.

 

[Neff]

It's not great, but it has its moments. It certainly has a unique setting and atmosphere about it.

I agree, it's by far the worst game Nintendo has ever produced.

Someone hasn't played Urban Champion

 

[Star-Lord]

At the time of this game Nintendo was trying the reduce the game development time to two years for their games. The devs had no time to give this game the finial polish. Thats why it has so many annoying parts.

I don’t think it would require too much time to give it that final polish if Nintendo were to ever release a proper Sunshine HD port. Then it would just be french kiss.

 

[MasterCornholio]

I played it recently. I absolutely hate the inverted camera controls. Such a shame that many games don't let you change that from that time period.

 

[Bragr]

Sunshine is the Mario game for people who don't get Mario games. It's mostly for people with nostalgia who don't understand how broken half of the levels are.

 

[TheInfamousKira]

As someone with an upcoming extraction, I can only hope it's like playing Mario.

 

[Shut0wen]

Roller Coaster stage balloons.....

Tbf i remember that being hell when i was a kid, recently did it and done it on my 2nd try it aint that bad, same with the hotel, the worst is definitely corona mountain the final stage before getting to bowser

 

[TintoConCasera]

As much as I loved Sunshine back in it's day, I still think the best parts are those challenge stages where you don't have the water thing to propel yourself.

 

[Spukc]

GET FUCKED

 

[PC Gamer]

In my opinion the best Mario game ever.

 

[N0S]

GET FUCKED

Those raytraced reflections

 

[kiphalfton]

Sounds like you just suck at this game.

 

[Midnight Bliss]

Super Mario sunshine was a famous moment in Nintendo history where they took a page directly from dragon quest. Once stated by Hiroshi Yamauchi that people who play RPGs are depressed gamers who like to sit alone in their dark rooms and play slow games. Interesting what game could he have been referring to at the time in Japan and what was the most popular oh snap dragon quest anyways.

So not to be outdone by dragon quest as the number one contender for games whose visuals and sound effects cause a distinct drop in dopamine and serotonin levels to the player and individual. Mariosunshine was born. It was Nintendo's darkest and finest moment. A game that not only memory holes the trauma you receive from it but also causes gamers to be depressed. After single handedly stealing the title of most depressing game since dragon quest RPGs Hiroshi Yamauchi was able to step down in 2002.