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[Gaiff]

Laughable.

I don't care what an article from a laughingstock like pcgamer says. TW3's RPG mechanics are about as deep as a puddle.

"Thick" RPG elements apply to games like BG3, not fucking Witcher that just has some skill trees, no weapons variety to speak of, and like 3 builds.

You seem to think action-focused single player games on PC don't sell. They can, just not AC because of a myriad of reasons, one of which is the bad blood between PC gamers and Ubisoft.

 

[Slothbeingg]

Because they are accustomed to him.

That's not how it works , even they are accustomed to him.... There's no way they just treat him like normal japanese man even he lived there for more than 10 years. This is just 6 months after the first cutscene.

 

[GymWolf]

The rpg quadrilogy was inspired by witcher 3, clear as sun.

I think devs straight up said that at a certain point.

Ac doesn't have weight management or potions but the loot is more rpg-ish than witcher 3 and the structure is about the same, althought shadows shaked tjings here and there, if you play originas and odissey they really felt like bootleg witcher 3 games with way worse writing but better combat and traversal.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I don't care what an article from a laughingstock like pcgamer says. TW3's RPG mechanics are about as deep as a puddle.

"Thick" RPG elements apply to games like BG3, not fucking Witcher that just has some skill trees, no weapons variety to speak of, and like 3 builds.

You seem to think action-focused single player games on PC don't sell. They can, just not AC because of a myriad of reasons, one of which is the bad blood between PC gamers and Ubisoft.

The Witcher has been pretty much the holy grail for action RPGs since it released. No one is comparing it to Baldur's Gate 3... You dismissing PCGamer just tells me that regardless of what anyone says you're going to double down. Lots of PC gamers read PCGamer, the article slags its RPG elements, that doesn't endear potential consumers to the game.

 

[Mortisfacio]

better combat and traversal.

Witcher 3 combat is far from great, but I'd still put it above modern AC games. The AC combat is about as generic and boring as it gets. Neat finisher animations doesn't make the combat good. Traversal is definitely better, though.

 

[GymWolf]

That's not how it works , even they are accustomed to him.... There's no way they just treat him like normal japanese man even he lived there for more than 10 years. This is just 6 months after the first cutscene.

From what i played, dude get pretty close to nobunaga, the choice is to fake respect or probably getting killed for being unrespectful.

 

[GHG]

 

[MMaRsu]

Im sure that sourpuss is happy, as always.

(his taste sucks and he's a annoying prick)

He's actually insufferable

 

[Brigandier]

Only review I'll be trusting on this pile of festering bullshit

 

[MMaRsu]

Only review I'll be trusting on this pile of festering bullshit

Why? He hated all AC in the past, why on heavens green earth would he like this one.

 

[Slothbeingg]

From what i played, dude get pretty close to nobunaga, the choice is to fake respect or getting killed.

Yeah, that might be true. But what I mean is that it makes him pretty boring and pointless in the story. They missed an opportunity to have him gradually gain more recognition over time, with people slowly accepting him etc... Instead, he's portrayed as an honorable samurai/warrior from the beginning to the end of game.

 

[GymWolf]

Yeah, that might be true. But what I mean is that it makes him pretty boring and pointless in the story. They missed an opportunity to have him gradually gain more recognition over time, with people slowly accepting him etc... Instead, he's portrayed as an honorable samurai/warrior from the beginning to the end of game.

I think they didn't wanted to create even more racial tension inside the game after all the bullshit surrounding the game.

Imagine depicting japanese as overly racist in a game that already "insult" their history and shit

 

[Gaiff]

The Witcher has been pretty much the holy grail for action RPGs since it released.

Which is irrelevant. It doesn't have any more "thick" RPG elements than the modern AC games. It's shallow in roleplaying mechanics.

No one is comparing it to Baldur's Gate 3...

I am, because that's an RPG with actual thick RPG elements.

You dismissing PCGamer just tells me that regardless of what anyone says you're going to double down.

You quoting PC gamer tells me you haven't got the faintest idea of who PC gamers trust as a credible source. Not that it matters because just citing an article does absolutely nothing for you.

Lots of PC gamers read PCGamer, the article slags its RPG elements, that doesn't endear potential consumers to the game.

Good for them. The Witcher 3 RPG mechanics aren't any better. What it has is much better writing, far more believable characters, an engaging story, a compelling and original world, and several other things that make it superior to anything Ubisoft has released in the past 2 decades. The RPG mechanics aren't one of its strengths, so don't bring this up as a reason as to why it sells so well on PC. BG3? Sure. Even games like Fallout and Skyrim that have had their RPG core stripped naked over the years still offer more roleplaying than TW3.

PC players never cared for AC. It started off as a lame action/stealth game. Ubisoft were complete assholes to the PC crowd, calling them pirates among other things. The uplay, now Ubisoft Connect, was and is still maligned by the PC player base, hence why they're releasing this one day one on Steam once and for all, and their ports of AC games up until like Black Flag were absolute trash. As such, the series never really took off on PC like it did on consoles and Ubisoft's reputation never recovered among PC gamers. Those are big reasons AC isn't all that hot on PC. It's also stale, repetitive, bloated, and not all that good, but that's true on consoles too. Better games to waste 70 hours on, especially since oldies like Oblivion or Morrowind are still playable on PC.

 

[MMaRsu]

Why? He hated all AC in the past, why on heavens green earth would he like this one.

Actually I went back and checked his Odyssey review and he seems to like that, in the end he says Ill be streaming a lot of it lmao.

So if he liked that he should like this eh?

Or maybe not because that wanker hasnt liked a game in forever

 

[MMaRsu]

PC players never cared for AC. It started off as a lame action/stealth game. Ubisoft were complete assholes to the PC crowd, calling them pirates among other things. The uplay, now Ubisoft Connect, was and is still maligned by the PC player base, hence why they're releasing this one on Steam once and for all, and their ports of AC games up until like Black Flag were absolute trash. As such, the series never really took off on PC like it did on consoles and Ubisoft's reputation never really recovered among PC gamers. Those are big reasons AC isn't all that hot on PC.

correct

 

[ManaByte]

 

[GymWolf]

Witcher 3 combat is far from great, but I'd still put it above modern AC games. The AC combat is about as generic and boring as it gets. Neat finisher animations doesn't make the combat good. Traversal is definitely better, though.

Kinda clunky souls lite with some actual impact and weapon variety beat the retarded spin moves with barely any impact and the queen to win everyday of the week for me, so agree to disagree.

W3 combat is not only dumb to watch and basic in design it also feel super light, not much to salvage here.

 

[DenchDeckard]

I've seen you post this guys reviews a number of times.

He is absolutely insufferable. Do you like him, trust his reviews?

I cant imagine a more terrible reviewer to listen to.

 

[Mortisfacio]

Why? He hated all AC in the past, why on heavens green earth would he like this one.

Until Ubi changes the formula, it's pretty safe to just say: Did you like Odyssey? Valhalla? get it. Did you dislike them? Then don't get it, because this is more of that.

Only positives I see is the world looks great and they finally made the skill tree better. The skill tree in Valhalla is one of the worst I've ever seen in a game.

 

[Brigandier]

Why? He hated all AC in the past, why on heavens green earth would he like this one.

He liked Odyssey and he didn't mind Valhalla.

Why would I listen to him?

Because the AC series is a bloated pile of shit with Xray vision, spam combat, micro transactions galore, dated way point icon splattered maps, some of the worst AI in games today which doesn't say much tbh as AI is a problem with all games, Very unlikeable characters varies on the player I guess.

It's a very tired rinse and repeat formula and is so easy that is an insult to anyone who has even a below average skill level.

I'm sick of being lied to by gaming journalists (lol) who will never call a spade a spade when it comes to Ubisoft and AC even when it's a clearly tired old IP that has been abused and as ran out of ideas.

I also listen to him and not always agree because he hates how easy and hand holdy a lot of games are now, dumb as fuck AI, Insufferable characters, Xray vision in games, spam 1 button to win, non stop chatter and cutscenes in games which he has a point with and people agree with him.

If you don't agree with him or anyone else's opinions cool have a good day and you do you, Peace dude.

 

[adamsapple]

The only review worth trusting. It's legal.

 

[MMaRsu]

Because the AC series is a bloated pile of shit with Xray vision, spam combat, micro transactions galore, dated way point icon splattered maps, some of the worst AI in games today which doesn't say much tbh as AI is a problem with all games, Very unlikeable characters varies on the player I guess.

It's a very tired rinse and repeat formula and is so easy that is an insult to anyone who has even a below average skill level.

Lol so why even check out the review or be interested in the game AT ALL if that's how you feel?

All that stuff was already in Odyssey too, and guess what, he liked that game.

Also lol at being such an elite gamer you can't play a game that's a bit on the easier side. You must be a god gamer.

You're both a bunch of hypocrites.

 

[Lokaum D+]

there is nothing wrong with enjoying AC games, even Shadows since it may be the last AC game made by modern Ubi, so enjoy it as much as you guys want, Next AC ll be probably made by Tencent.

Bonus:

 

[GHG]

I've seen you post this guys reviews a number of times.

He is absolutely insufferable. Do you like him, trust his reviews?

I cant imagine a more terrible reviewer to listen to.

If he likes a game then more often than not it's guaranteed that I'll also enjoy it. He tends to like games that steer away from what we've become accustomed to with modern AAA titles, games that allow the player to have more freedom and don't treat you like an idiot (or disrespectfully in cases where games have obviously had adjustments made in order to sell microtransactions).

I get it, there are plenty of people here who will find him "insufferable" because he's previously taken a big dump on a company they cheerlead and/or a game that they like, but don't take it to heart, you can always just fall back on your usual bunch of shill "journalists" who will never be critical.

 

[Brigandier]

Lol so why even check out the review or be interested in the game AT ALL if that's how you feel?

Also lol at being such an elite gamer you can't play a game that's a bit on the easier side. You must be a god gamer.

What a seriously shit assumption based post, The kind of reply I expect from such a low IQ poster.

 

[MMaRsu]

If he likes a game then more often than not it's guaranteed that I'll also enjoy it. He tends to like games that steer away from what we've become accustomed to with modern AAA titles, games that allow the player to have more freedom and don't treat you like an idiot (or disrespectfully in cases where games have obviously had adjustments made in order to sell microtransactions).

I get it, there are plenty of people here who will find him "insufferable" because he's previously taken a big dump on a company they cheerlead and/or a game that they like, but don't take it to heart, you can always just fall back on your usual bunch of shill "journalists" who will never be critical.

There have been plenty of videos where he didn't engage with the game at all and just spouted nonsense. I can't remember which ones and I cant be arsed to go back.

I watched some of his reviews until it started grating on me, always the same buncha bullshit he would say.

Ofcourse every gamer likes a game that's not so handholdy etc. And I dont like see through wall shit either but that doesnt define a game as being bad perse.

 

[MMaRsu]

What a seriously shit assumption based post, The kind of reply I expect from such a low IQ poster.

Haha you ran out of arguments. It's okay. We get it.

Caught in your own dumb post.

Why even bother checking out a review of something you hate. Unless it's to confirm you hate it. Which obviously makes you a smart person.

 

[Mortisfacio]

W3 combat is not only dumb to watch and basic in design it also feel super light, not much to salvage here.

Agree with the agree to disagree, because this is how I feel about AC combat. It's spam combat with no weight or skill. It's about as braindead and generic as it gets.

 

[MMaRsu]

there is nothing wrong with enjoying AC games, even Shadows since it may be the last AC game made by modern Ubi, so enjoy it as much as you guys want, Next AC ll be probably made by Tencent.

Bonus:

Ah yes from the famous creator of



Surely no agenda there

Everybody knows game's AI's are generally all trash. There are few exceptions. KCD2 for instance has some good AI.
Ubisoft hasnt made a game with good AI in ages. Most companies arent better.

But generally all games have horrible AI.



Dogshit AI

 

[Gaiff]

Agree with the agree to disagree, because this is how I feel about AC combat. It's spam combat with no weight or skill. It's about as braindead and generic as it gets.

I agree with AC being spammy and requiring no skill, but the combat has weight. Some of the executions have a nice feedback and you feel the brutality and power behind them, especially in Origins. Geralt's in constrast swords feel like styrofoam sticks and I'm not even sure whether I hit my target or not sometimes.

Not that the combat is good in either game, but I favor the melee approach of AC. However, I prefer the enemy variety in TW and it's nice how different monsters have different strengths and weaknesses and you can employ tactics to make the fights easier.

 

[GHG]

Ofcourse every gamer likes a game that's not so handholdy etc.

Not true. As evidenced by the fact that so many people malfunction when they are faced with a game that doesn't explicitly tell them what to do and where to go all the time.

And I dont like see through wall shit either but that doesnt define a game as being bad perse.

Well it does to some people, because it's clear that the game has been designed around that lazy mechanic, instead of being designed around stealth and gameplay mechanics that force the player to be aware of their surroundings instead of using something that would have once been defined as a cheat.

Not everybody wants to keep on obediently eating up slop. Crazy, I know.

 

[Brigandier]

Haha you ran out of arguments. It's okay. We get it.

Caught in your own dumb post.

Why even bother checking out a review of something you hate. Unless it's to confirm you hate it. Which obviously makes you a smart person.

Because I used to like AC very much but have grown sick of the same archaic formula that is rehashed and increased in bloat.

I am allowed to view reviews and posts based on AC games still as it is a series I was once fond, Just because I might not like current AC it doesn't mean I don't hope a new release will mix things up a bit and have a more unique feel to its combat and a less sterile world.

Usually people who have ran out of arguments spew the shit you do:

"Why you even here?" "If you don't like it why even click on the thread"

You and people like you can't handle negative opinions on your favorite games and resort to that nonsense lol it's a message board and I will read and post whatever the fuck I want.

 

[MMaRsu]

Because I used to like AC very much but have grown sick of the same archaic formula that is rehashed and increased in bloat.

But AC hasn't been like the Ezio trilogy in forever. So I have no clue why you would think this would be any different.

And even then, the old AC games had bloat, you could see through walls with your eagle vision, they had microtransactions and everything you claimed to hate.

It was a super easy game back in the day that required little to no effort on the player, and that hasnt changed in ever.

So I don't understand this high morality of you proclaiming oh its an insult to below average gamers, when they games were always aimed at the casual crowd.

 

[MMaRsu]

Usually people who have ran out of arguments spew the shit you do:

You and people like you can't handle negative opinions on your favorite games and resort to that nonsense lol it's a message board and I will read and post whatever the fuck I want.

Hysterical when you said this before and now you can't seem to handle my opinion.
"If you don't agree with him or anyone else's opinions cool have a good day and you do you, Peace dude."

AC isnt my favorite game, and neither is this.

It has nothing to do with negative opinions it has to do with not being a hypocrite.

And Mack has shown that time and time again and is showing it here again with this "review".

The game hasnt changed much since AC Odyssey which he liked, and now he suddenly hates this game.

I am not a hypocrite.

I will stand tall and say that this game did not excite me, I was against Yasuke inclusion because I dont think he fits the style of the game, and I wanted a japanese shinobi.

But I will fairly say the game is not bad, in fact its pretty damn good. And a lot better than I expected in most ways. There are some flaws here and there, but those are generally flaws that Ive come to expect from ubisoft's previous AC games.

Sadly there is a unfair hate parade against this game now. And that's just how I see it.

 

[Brigandier]

Hysterical when you said this before and now you can't seem to handle my opinion.
"If you don't agree with him or anyone else's opinions cool have a good day and you do you, Peace dude."

AC isnt my favorite game, and neither is this.

It has nothing to do with negative opinions it has to do with not being a hypocrite.

And Mack has shown that time and time again and is showing it here again with this "review".

The game hasnt changed much since AC Odyssey which he liked, and now he suddenly hates this game.

I feel like I'm replying to someone with down syndrome.... What's hysterical about anything we've posted?

But AC hasn't been like the Ezio trilogy in forever. So I have no clue why you would think this would be any different.

And even then, the old AC games had bloat, you could see through walls with your eagle vision, they had microtransactions and everything you claimed to hate.

It was a super easy game back in the day that required little to no effort on the player, and that hasnt changed in ever.

So I don't understand this high morality of you proclaiming oh its an insult to below average gamers, when they games were always aimed at the casual crowd.

There is more to a game than just it's flaws like xray vision and dumb combat/ai you know like great characters, Story, Plot and Setting and authenticity of the world you're exploring they all play a role in liking a game and even loving it.

 

[MMaRsu]

I feel like I'm replying to someone with down syndrome....



There is more to a game than just it's flaws like xray vision and dumb combat/ai you know like great characters, Story, Plot and Setting and authenticity of the world you're exploring they all play a role in liking a game and even loving it.

Right so you're just taking all the rest of the stuff you so passionately hate for granted, got it.

I won't even go into your comment about the down syndrome. How offensive do you want to get man? This is not classy to say. Reported.

 

[Brigandier]

Right so you're just taking all the rest of the stuff you so passionately hate for granted, got it.

I won't even go into your comment about the down syndrome. How offensive do you want to get man? This is not classy to say. Reported.

Report me all you want, You are a retard who is very confrontational and when you get told you're a dumbass you play the report card, Hopefully a mod will tell you to stfu too as you're no better, so gtfo with that high almighty attitude you have.

You like to put words in people's mouths and move them goalposts it's odd but you are mentally challenged clearly.

 

[MMaRsu]

Report me all you want, You are a retard who is very confrontational and when you get told you're a dumbass you play the report card, Hopefully a mod will tell you to stfu too as you're no better.

You like to put words in people's mouths and move them goalposts it's odd but you are mentally challenged clearly.

Now excuse me I'll go enjoy some AC Shadows

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

That's not how it works , even they are accustomed to him.... There's no way they just treat him like normal japanese man even he lived there for more than 10 years. This is just 6 months after the first cutscene.

That's exactly how it works. Furthermore he was welcomed in and is basically the right hand man of the lord of the area. Idk why you would expect months later for everyone to still be in awe at the sight of a black man.

 

[Slothbeingg]

That's exactly how it works. Furthermore he was welcomed in and is basically the right hand man of the lord of the area. Idk why you would expect months later for everyone to still be in awe at the sight of a black man.

Here's the thing. In ancient Japan or many other parts of the world, limited communication and travel made it difficult for information to spread widely. It's impossible for everyone (in that huge the open world ) to have seen Yasuke. Even if they had heard of him, a person from any other race, whether white or black ,would have seemed strange to them.

The Japanese (and even broader Asian societies at that time) were very xenophobic, and they held prejudices against other races. And yes even if they saw him every day, they would still have prejudices. It was a feudal society, so it's unrealistic to expect them to treat someone of a different race like modern society. A lots of Asia countries ( include Japan) used to refer to white people faces as ''devil faces'' "white demon" in the past, and some people still use this term even today. So expected they treated him like normal japanese man is unrealistic.

Idk why do I need to explain this... You should watch more movies or books about that era to see how they treated other races.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

Despite I know Ubisoft does it out of sheer ignorance, it would be detrimental to the narrative flow that people are constantly making remarks on Yasuke's ethnicity. Not being the main theme, this would become an unnecessary distraction.

 

[GHG]

That's exactly how it works. Furthermore he was welcomed in and is basically the right hand man of the lord of the area. Idk why you would expect months later for everyone to still be in awe at the sight of a black man.

Just curious, what have your experiences been like as a black man moving to parts of the world where black people are not common, even to the extent that they are rarely seen in the media?

 

[EDMIX]

Here's the thing. In ancient Japan or many other parts of the world, limited communication and travel made it difficult for information to spread widely. It's impossible for everyone (in that huge the open world ) to have seen Yasuke. Even if they had heard of him, a person from any other race, whether white or black ,would have seemed strange to them.

The Japanese (and even broader Asian societies at that time) were very xenophobic, and they held prejudices against other races. And yes even if they saw him every day, they would still have prejudices. It was a feudal society, so it's unrealistic to expect them to treat someone of a different race like modern society. A lots of Asia countries ( include Japan) used to refer to white people faces as ''devil faces'' "white demon" in the past, and some people still use this term even today. So expected they treated him like normal japanese man is unrealistic.

Idk why do I need to explain this... You should watch more movies or books about that era to see how they treated other races.

umm....ok, I think you need to also consider the man was the personal body guard of Oda Nobunaga

So I'm sure they would see him as strange, but he wasn't the first black person in Japan, during this time Japan actually already had some black people and who he was to Oda Nobunaga made it even more unlikely that they would treat him differently, soooooo he is the bodyguard to one of the most dangerous people in Japan...

Thats likey saying today, we've seen the first green person ever and he is friends with the biggest Cartel or King or Dictator or something crazy like this and you are telling us its unrealistic he would be treated like a normal person, sir...its unrealistic you going to fuck with the person that is right next to the most powerful person in the land lol

Keep in mind, I believe Ubisoft didn't wish to have some explanation every time he went to some new area or something lol So the people reacting to him, could be reacting cause he is large and tall, black, with armor etc The NPCs merely walk around looking at him, they don't provide full details into every last person or something weird like this

 

[Killer8]

there is nothing wrong with enjoying AC games, even Shadows since it may be the last AC game made by modern Ubi, so enjoy it as much as you guys want, Next AC ll be probably made by Tencent.

Bonus:

It's easy to use a few handpicked examples to make even games with good AI look bad:

 

[EDMIX]

It's easy to use a few handpicked examples to make even games with good AI look bad:

One of the greatest stealth games ever made!

AC Shadows has a lot of MGSV going for it in the stealth area with the seasonal and weather effects

 

[Zathalus]

Contrasting this review against his Ghost of Tsushima one or AC Odyssey one, and it's abundantly clear how agenda driven this 'review' is. My god, he even gave AC Valhalla a 7/10 while calling this one of the worst games of all time. He completes it by complaining that Naoe (or as he refers to her, a little tart) can kill samurai.

 

[Mortisfacio]

However, I prefer the enemy variety in TW and it's nice how different monsters have different strengths and weaknesses and you can employ tactics to make the fights easier.

This is ultimately why I personally put TW3 over AC combat. Neither I feel is "good", but enemy variety is better in TW3. AC difficulty largely comes down to more blocks or more health, but similar or same combat. TW3 suffers the same problem, where all humanoid enemies more or less have the same move types. TW3, personally, is also helped by the expansions. Where I felt diversity lacked by the end of the base game, they added more variety into Blood & Wine to give me an overall better impression. I only put TW3 over AC combat as a full package, not the base game alone, however I don't feel combat in TW3 or AC is particularly "good", just serviceable. I'm fond of TW3 because of everything else and was an overall start to finish enjoyable experience.

One of my problems with AC Origins and Odyssey is they do this thing where the story sucks most of the game, but gets good the last few hours. Valhalla I didn't finish as it was just incredibly boring, but from reviews for Shadows it looks like Shadows suffers from this same problem. I really want to enjoy AC because I have such fond memories of everything up until Black Flag, but I just really dislike this more modern "generic slop" style that Ubisoft insists on copying and pasting again and again in a new environment.

 

[ElFenomeno]

When your AAAA game with 2 hours end credits is beaten by a banana.

 

[Gaiff]

One of my problems with AC Origins and Odyssey is they do this thing where the story sucks most of the game, but gets good the last few hours

Yeah, and that's a problem with a lot of long games. The middle part just feels like filler. This reminds me of most GTA games where the main antagonist shows up early on, and then you barely hear about him until the end of the game. The middle act just has the story come to a grinding halt. In TW3, it's always moving forward and all the main objectives progress the plot.

 

[coachmcguirk91]

Agree with the agree to disagree, because this is how I feel about AC combat. It's spam combat with no weight or skill. It's about as braindead and generic as it gets.

I swear Ubisoft believes that if they add a little bit of depth to their combat that gamers would stop playing their games altogether. It's the single reason I can never get into any of the AC games. Do they not realize that Elden Ring has sold 25mil copies? Gamers enjoy games with depth

It is incredibly infuriating because Ubisoft creates some of the most gorgeous game worlds in the industry, but they dont know how to create an enjoyable gameplay loop. So much wasted talent. It makes me want to punt a baby everytime a new AC game releases