JezCorden:
JezCorden:
You didn't answer my question.
You didnt answer mine either.
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A watch gets the time right only twice a day and 10 wrong; this one has been getting it right for a decade using the same procedure/methode... I mean, to know the watch isn't working, you wait to confirm it with another watch ...... or watches.
I do find it rather entertaining that some absolutely refuse to do simple algebra. We know the total custom SOC sales, PS5 sales, and Steam Deck sales. If we were to put it into an equation, it would look something like t = p + s + x. We know the values of t, p, and s, so we simply just need to solve for x.
Their whole shtick right now is to somehow remove Steam Deck from that equation.
JezCorden:
Actually there's some evidence looking at public data that Xbox Series likely was at more than 30 million shipped by the end of 2024.
JezCorden:
that usually how this outlets roll. also for whatever reason people and shills are fricking out about Turn 10 not posting anything about the future
Hey shills are people too!
Dude, those are screenshots from an official MS and ID@Xbox event.....
Shipped or sold?
Are people suggesting microsoft sold 21 milion xboxs the first 3 years, and then 37 million in 2 years? that seems unlikely. and probably welfare is correct. unless i am missing some context.
No, that's Xbox One.
Shipped probably, but that's doesn't mean it doesn't count, NIntendo's 153 million Switches are shipped too. Sell-through is not that important to consider for a past product.
my mistake, it seems i failed to keep up w/ the convos going on
Lololol, China of all places. What a
He is trying sooo hard right now, it's almost sad. Like, he's here saying the CESA data from 2020 for XB1, at the 72% ratio claimed (btw, was 58 million XB1 actually confirmed by Microsoft themselves or leaked data from the FTC hearing? I can't exactly recall), is 100% applicable to Series S and X. Implying as if the 2020 CESA data for XBS only represents 72% of XBS sales globally.
But what Welfare is failing to understand, is that in the case of XB1 those were EOL sales, and that platform (despite declining vs. 360) had a far healthier market presence overall than Xbox Series have had, especially when you compare the state of their ecosystems launch-aligned. Yes XB1 struggled out the gate, but it actually had a competitive presence until early 2017 in NA & UK which is when PS4 started clearly taking over (in that sense, mirroring PS1 vs Saturn in Japan). XB1 also did better in virtually every other market that both it and XBS have been available in, when launch-aligned. The only exception might be Japan, but that's saying piss-all when you look at the hard numbers.
That fact alone, combined with XBS only being little over halfway the typical cycle time, means you can't apply XB1's CESA sales data ratio vs. final XB1 numbers, to XBS's CESA 2022 vs. what you (Welfare) want to claim that is a representative percentage of. And we all know the reason why they're so against the lower estimates, but I don't need to say it.
If XBS were above 34 million in sell-through right now, especially if they were near 40 million like some people imagine, that'd suggest sales pacing healthier than the drops Amy Hood's been giving for the past 12-18 months in fiscal reports. And it's ridiculous he's bringing up China as a potential "hidden growth market" for XBS when momentum for Xbox in Asia at large is practically deal. Did Xbox not miss out on the biggest-selling Chinese release of last year, Black Myth Wukong? If even PlayStation's market share in China is rather small compared to PC gaming, in what reality do you think an Xbox that went without BMW for a whole year is going to see anywhere near the sales bump PS5 saw? Anywhere near enough sales in China to be a big enough contributor to more Xbox sales globally?
You know what, I am actually just going to say it: the degree I see some of these people aggressively trying to bark back against reasonable claims of XBS being < 30 million or at best near that number (in sold-through), feels like these people aren't doing that simply to preserve an accurate record of events. Part of it feels like remnants within them yearning for a time when Xbox was actually competitive as a console, and they know consoles sold was one of the main metrics used to prove that during the 360 and early XB1 years. They want THAT Xbox back which is why they're in such denial about these low XBS estimates, even though no matter if it's < 30 million or close to 40 million, XBS' fate as a console is still the same. It's still a poisoned brand in the gaming space, and throwing on a few million console sold won't get Microsoft to renege on their publishing games onto PS5 or Switch 2. It won't solve the fundamental problems that forced MS to become a multiplat publisher-focused games company in the first place.
If he's using Xbox revenue to extrapolate console sales.....surely the ABK revenue is making up for the shortfall from the flatlining console sales? The hardware/software split of revenue would be very much tilting towards software.
Yes there's no need to worry about sources or methodology etc.Literally no disrespect toWelfare at all. Dude is great at what he does. But I kinda agree with
demigod here. Even if we felt like the Xbox Series estimate was 33 million, that would make more sense than 37m. Especially if the US number is at 15.5 million. No way the world combined Xbox Series sales are at 21.5 million. That would be 58% of all Xbox Series console sales. And that just can't be true.
He is trying sooo hard right now, it's almost sad. Like, he's here saying the CESA data from 2020 for XB1, at the 72% ratio claimed (btw, was 58 million XB1 actually confirmed by Microsoft themselves or leaked data from the FTC hearing? I can't exactly recall), is 100% applicable to Series S and X. Implying as if the 2020 CESA data for XBS only represents 72% of XBS sales globally.
But what Welfare is failing to understand, is that in the case of XB1 those were EOL sales, and that platform (despite declining vs. 360) had a far healthier market presence overall than Xbox Series have had, especially when you compare the state of their ecosystems launch-aligned. Yes XB1 struggled out the gate, but it actually had a competitive presence until early 2017 in NA & UK which is when PS4 started clearly taking over (in that sense, mirroring PS1 vs Saturn in Japan). XB1 also did better in virtually every other market that both it and XBS have been available in, when launch-aligned. The only exception might be Japan, but that's saying piss-all when you look at the hard numbers.
That fact alone, combined with XBS only being little over halfway the typical cycle time, means you can't apply XB1's CESA sales data ratio vs. final XB1 numbers, to XBS's CESA 2022 vs. what you (Welfare) want to claim that is a representative percentage of. And we all know the reason why they're so against the lower estimates, but I don't need to say it.
If XBS were above 34 million in sell-through right now, especially if they were near 40 million like some people imagine, that'd suggest sales pacing healthier than the drops Amy Hood's been giving for the past 12-18 months in fiscal reports. And it's ridiculous he's bringing up China as a potential "hidden growth market" for XBS when momentum for Xbox in Asia at large is practically deal. Did Xbox not miss out on the biggest-selling Chinese release of last year, Black Myth Wukong? If even PlayStation's market share in China is rather small compared to PC gaming, in what reality do you think an Xbox that went without BMW for a whole year is going to see anywhere near the sales bump PS5 saw? Anywhere near enough sales in China to be a big enough contributor to more Xbox sales globally?
You know what, I am actually just going to say it: the degree I see some of these people aggressively trying to bark back against reasonable claims of XBS being < 30 million or at best near that number (in sold-through), feels like these people aren't doing that simply to preserve an accurate record of events. Part of it feels like remnants within them yearning for a time when Xbox was actually competitive as a console, and they know consoles sold was one of the main metrics used to prove that during the 360 and early XB1 years. They want THAT Xbox back which is why they're in such denial about these low XBS estimates, even though no matter if it's < 30 million or close to 40 million, XBS' fate as a console is still the same. It's still a poisoned brand in the gaming space, and throwing on a few million console sold won't get Microsoft to renege on their publishing games onto PS5 or Switch 2. It won't solve the fundamental problems that forced MS to become a multiplat publisher-focused games company in the first place.
Welfare and his weird methods continue.
Is that what caused the PlayStation 2 to outsell the Xbox 360 in 2005, 2006, and 2007? The fact it was outdated compared to the Xbox 360? Lol
If he cares for his credibility, he should come and explain this very simple thing. There is nothing wrong with this. It'll only increase his respect and instill confidence in his future data estimates.
Welfare
- If you care to respond, please explain how this following math works out with your 37 million estimate. Thanks in advance.Seems like he just straight lined it.
