We all already know about the Switch and Switch 2, but what about the Steam Deck?
PS6 Portable - what would you like to see?
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Cert.in.Death
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Support for XXX content
(I'm mostly kidding. But there is a .02% part of me - literally - that isn't).
(I'm mostly kidding. But there is a .02% part of me - literally - that isn't).
LectureMaster
Or is it just one of Adam's balls in my throat?
Batter life is my number one criteria.
A handheld should be able to play a reasonable session before you need to recharge. The battery life of the current Windows handhelds on the market is just farcical.
A handheld should be able to play a reasonable session before you need to recharge. The battery life of the current Windows handhelds on the market is just farcical.
PeteBull
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steamdeck is roughly a quarter of what switch2 is capable of, ofc its weak af when switch2 ports look nasty af compared to what those games look on modern pc.We all already know about the Switch and Switch 2, but what about the Steam Deck?
Sleepwalker
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I really enjoy the Portal for what it is.
But the only thing I want out of this is the ability to play games locallty and offline.
But the only thing I want out of this is the ability to play games locallty and offline.
In pure CPU benchmarks the Deck is a little faster than the Switch 2.
The Switch 2 has the GPU performance of a PS4 Pro versus the Deck's base PS4 comparison. The big thing is the Switch 2 is NVIDIA's Ampere which is the RTX 3000 series. It has raytracing hardware and can do DLSS. IMO it really shows the difference between AMD and NVIDIA's offerings. DLSS just performs crazy voodoo compared to raw raster rendering. The Deck can look good with the FSR4 hacks, but has a higher performance hit.
DreamcastSkies
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Everything looks like a Switch. Sony has the opportunity to offer something different. We'll see if they do.
PeteBull
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Im perfectly aware what hardware switch2 has, its above ps4pr0/xbox one x simply coz of modern feature set even tho its gpu is weaker even from ps4pr0 in raw raster, just compare how cp2077 looks/plays on them and u can figure that shit out.
There was no sons of liberty expack on last gen consoles coz it would run extremly terribly, there is on switch2 tho(it runs visibly worse than base game).
And steamdeck? That old shit is weaker even from base ps4, so ofc its way weaker from switch2.
As we all could see even 4 months ago, switch2 is clear winner compared to steamdeck, at least in docked mode
Im perfectly aware what hardware switch2 has, its above ps4pr0/xbox one x simply coz of modern feature set even tho its gpu is weaker even from ps4pr0 in raw raster, just compare how cp2077 looks/plays on them and u can figure that shit out.
There was no sons of liberty expack on last gen consoles coz it would run extremly terribly, there is on switch2 tho(it runs visibly worse than base game).
And steamdeck? That old shit is weaker even from base ps4, so ofc its way weaker from switch2.
As we all could see even 4 months ago, switch2 is clear winner compared to steamdeck, at least in docked mode
I'm not sure what you're trying to argue. You originally said the Deck couldn't run a bunch of games, and I provided videos showing that most ran just fine.
I then said the Deck had a more powerful CPU than the Switch 2, but slower GPU. In that video Richard mentioned the Deck's CPU should have given it an advantage over the Switch, but we weren't seeing it in that game.
So a custom version of a game runs better than a handheld PC that was 4.5 years old when the newer hardware released. Running in a dock mode 1080p it wasn't designed for. Running a Windows game through a translation layer. From the video you linked, lower the game to 720p, and it's very stable 30 fps.
My original argument was the Deck is already running all of the PS5 games brought over to the PC. So a PS6 console that's using 3-4 generations of newer technology. Shouldn't have any issues running any PS5 game. Do you disagree with that?
PeteBull
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My argument is- fuck portables, its already bad enough ninny gimped their hardware from the times of wii back in 2006(it was stationary but had like 14W tdp, so might have as well be portable in terms of graphical fidelity), we dont want last bastion of consoles aka sony to screw themselfs with that too.
Cyberpunkd
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Why can't we have options? Bruh, if you have a family with young kids especially portables are a difference between gaming and not gaming at all.
IntentionalPun
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I'm least looking forward to all of the people angry that PS6 Portable will be Sony's Series S.
In some ways.. much worse, since it's actually a lesser version of the OG PS5 lol
In some ways.. much worse, since it's actually a lesser version of the OG PS5 lol
PeteBull
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Plenty options for portable gamers already, if sony screws up their stationary console business trying to compete vs ninny at enemy terf i wont even feel sorry, same way i didnt feel sorry for this gen and last gen microsoft fuckups.
viveks86
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For PS6 games, I would like to see games scale down gracefully with not a ton of dev work needed. All signs are pointing to this being possible for the first time. If they can simply adjust resolution, extent of RT and target frame rate knobs and throw in PSSR 2/3 upscaling to prevent it from turning to soup, they might be able to hit the goals of a viable next gen handheld that doesn't hold the entire console generation back due to dev prioritization/trade off decisions. Saves should automatically sync with the console, if they own one.
Same with PS5 games, though I presume that's going to need some patching for those that don't have low power mode. PS4 games should just work out of the box.
Don't care for dedicated games. Without silly handheld gimmicks, there isn't a single game that can't also be playable on a console. Literally all the motion sensing, touch sensing and gestures are built into the controllers these days anyway. Just make for both and let the devs be free to choose where their game design efforts are focused on.
As to the hardware itself, an actual portable form factor, all dualsense functionality, with 256/512 GB SSD, OLED, VRR, 1080p and at least 4 hours of battery life is all I ask.
Same with PS5 games, though I presume that's going to need some patching for those that don't have low power mode. PS4 games should just work out of the box.
Don't care for dedicated games. Without silly handheld gimmicks, there isn't a single game that can't also be playable on a console. Literally all the motion sensing, touch sensing and gestures are built into the controllers these days anyway. Just make for both and let the devs be free to choose where their game design efforts are focused on.
As to the hardware itself, an actual portable form factor, all dualsense functionality, with 256/512 GB SSD, OLED, VRR, 1080p and at least 4 hours of battery life is all I ask.
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Miyazaki’s Slave
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I just want some new content.
I don't need little big planet collections or ratchet and clank anything. I just want some new games.
Then just make a crap ton of your existing library from PS1 to Ps5 playable on the device (if possible) or stream (not from console).
I don't need little big planet collections or ratchet and clank anything. I just want some new games.
Then just make a crap ton of your existing library from PS1 to Ps5 playable on the device (if possible) or stream (not from console).
What ports? It'll be a PS6 that can run PS6 game.
Want to play on a 4K TV? Get the console. Want to play during your commute? Get the portable.
PS5 can already do save syncing. Sadly it requires an active PS+ sub unlike Xbox, and PC.
I do hope the focus on optimization to eliminate bottlenecks helps make games be optimized again and get rid of stutters.
Sony nailed the design of the PS Portal. It's a Dual Sense cut in half with an 8" screen in the middle. They'll need to fit a larger battery and more cooling. But I'd be shocked if people are unhappy with how it ends up
Danjin44
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What I mean is if Portable version is just going to get the same games as the console version it has no use for me.
I buy systems solely based on if it has games I want to play. I bought Game boy, DS, PSP, 3DS and PSVIta not because they were portable but because they had exclusive games I want to play.
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spookyfish
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While I'm not in love with this idea, I like the IDEA, that a "physical" item can be used between handheld and console. BUT -- I realize my dinosaur ass is gonna have to get with the times. Physical (or key-card "physical") games are going to die.
viveks86
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That's understandable. In that case, this certainly isn't a product for you. I don't expect this to sell Switch numbers for that reason. The games you need will be available on your console anyway. For me personally, the portable isn't about exclusive games. It is about portability as I'd like the option to not be at my couch to play my favorite games.
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Danjin44
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Yup I'm not target audience for this. I dont care for portability, I bought Switch 1&2 not because they are portable but because they games I want to play.
For me games is my enitre reason I buy any system, I even bought 360 just because it had games I want.
But would you have bought a console only version of a Switch that ran games better than the dock mode of the Switch 1 or 2 instead if given the option?
Because this gives people that choice. Buy the console for 4K high quality graphics, or the portable if you don't want to be tethered.
Witchilich
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The difference is that devs are mandated to make Series S version of their games.
IntentionalPun
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And you think devs won't be managed to support PS6 portable?
Witchilich
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No reason for Sony to mandate this. There is no evidence Sony is mandating Canis support.
Unknown?
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I think switch showed that people don't mind watered down games if it's portable.
Have you tried a Steam Deck? It's really only Nintendo's handhelds that caused be issues because they are thin. You want a thicker section where you grip it.
The original NVIDIA Shield is still the most comfortable. The grips were exactly like a 360 controller, but it had that nice 5" screen. It's sad it never took off.
RoboFu
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If it's a real pa6 portable why would the ps5 have a low power mode ?
It's all very confusing.. why release a portable that's less powerful than a ps5 along side an even more powerful ps6?
The only thing i can think of that makes sense would be if the ps6 is really just a ps5 pro + and every ps6 game has to playable on the ps6 portable which is a ps5 in low power mode hence every game should also work on a ps5.
It's all very confusing.. why release a portable that's less powerful than a ps5 along side an even more powerful ps6?
The only thing i can think of that makes sense would be if the ps6 is really just a ps5 pro + and every ps6 game has to playable on the ps6 portable which is a ps5 in low power mode hence every game should also work on a ps5.
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It's almost like traditional console generations are dead due to diminishing returns.If it's a real pa6 portable why would the ps5 have a low power mode ?
It's all very confusing.. why release a portable that's less powerful than a ps5 along side an even more powerful ps6?
The only thing i can think of that makes sense would be if the ps6 is really just a ps5 pro + and every ps6 game has to playable on the ps6 portable which is a ps5 in low power mode hence every game should also work on a ps5.
The Switch 2 is around the power of a PS4 Pro with some NVIDIA DLSS magic to make it look good. If third party games can run on that, the PS5 will continue to be supported for quite a while.
IntentionalPun
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Well there's certainly reason to mandate it; to boost sales of the portable.
You are right though for now that is a difference. It's still obviously going to encourage devs to not only make cross-gen games, but make them w/ low power mode target.
I don't personally have a problem with this, but it's certainly going to ruffle some feathers when PS6 has a little brother console that is weaker than a PS5 (if all of these rumors are true and PS6 portable is going to be a low-power PS5)
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DenchDeckard
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OLED Screen with VRR
Battery life of 4 plus hours
Hall effect sticks or whatever the best is.
Good all round system.
Still have my day one vita and psp so I'm hoping this joins the ranks of my psp and vita.
Battery life of 4 plus hours
Hall effect sticks or whatever the best is.
Good all round system.
Still have my day one vita and psp so I'm hoping this joins the ranks of my psp and vita.
Witchilich
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You are still not providing any evidence that Sony will mandate Canis support.
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