HeisenbergFX4
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To me the phone argument only makes sense if people are financing their console as most who own $1000+ phones are paying for them with installments on their phone bill
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$1000 console? I'm out. official boycott thread
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rm082e
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Food for thought:
The PS3 launched at $600 in 2006. Look at an inflation calculator and shows that's $964.69 in today's dollars. I don't think it's hard to imagine inflation will push that up to $1000 by next November now that we're staring at an inevitable energy crunch and supply chain breakdown. Hell, DOW chemicals just announced they're raising the price for raw plastics. This is going to impact everything we buy.
Whatever the retail price is, I doubt seriously Microsoft or Sony will be making much profit from either of their next consoles. They'll shoot for a low enough price so that they're either breaking even, or taking a small loss. If the box costs $1000, I would expect the estimated Cost of Goods Sold to be right around that. We can be angry about it, but corporations aren't in business to lose money by providing a service.
The PS3 launched at $600 in 2006. Look at an inflation calculator and shows that's $964.69 in today's dollars. I don't think it's hard to imagine inflation will push that up to $1000 by next November now that we're staring at an inevitable energy crunch and supply chain breakdown. Hell, DOW chemicals just announced they're raising the price for raw plastics. This is going to impact everything we buy.
Whatever the retail price is, I doubt seriously Microsoft or Sony will be making much profit from either of their next consoles. They'll shoot for a low enough price so that they're either breaking even, or taking a small loss. If the box costs $1000, I would expect the estimated Cost of Goods Sold to be right around that. We can be angry about it, but corporations aren't in business to lose money by providing a service.
midnightAI
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Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
This thread will be a reference point; whenever any price speculation arises, feel free to bump it.
rm082e
Gold Member
Surely not, but they probably don't have a choice. They're locked in on the design they've developed with AMD. They have to move forward with what they have, and the materials costs are going to be mostly out of their control. They can't control the supply chain, prices for plastic, global shipping, inflation and payroll for their consumers, etc.
And the same goes for Microsoft on all of those points.
SirTerry-T
Member
You think there's a console from this and the last gen that's going to provide entertainment for years and years?
The only thing that's keeping my OG Switch and Series X going is my backlog and backward compat. Certainly aren't keeping hold of them for a lot of the modern game releases.
genesisblock
Member
Same vibes!!
Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
Your comment makes it seem like the games are free.
Look, if I pay $500 for a console, with the difference I could buy $500 worth of games, but Sony is essentially robbing me of those games.
Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
You mean the handful of Playstation games? How many new Naughty Dog games have we gotten this gen? And only one new Sucker Punch game.
midnightAI
Member
No, they can't, but they still control what they have worked on with AMD, they do control what tech they want in their console and so will know a price ceiling they want to hit.
midnightAI
Member
Don't you think that maybe some of these games have been pushed back to the PS6 launch? They don't have much competition with the PS5 so no requirement to rush games through when they can use those to sell the PS6.
Puscifer
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The last phone I bought was a pixel 6a lol
FalsettoVibe
Member
I buy one every 3 years but I get your point....lol. I'm buying a PS6 day one. 1k or not.
Well, you have to count the cost of games over those years, but still, I 100% agree.
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GriffinCorp
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Someone will probably get my money. I want more games next gen, this one hasn't been my favorite at all.
Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
So they'll be cross-gen games. Still, I don't think we'll get many exclusives next gen either. Development times are just ridiculous these days.
bender
What time is it?
I'm still on my 12 Pro Max.
FalsettoVibe
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Wilhelm_85
Gold Member
$1,000 is absolutely crazy.
A $1,500 gaming-focused PC will almost certainly be a much better value all things considered.
There was a much better argument for consoles at $300 ~ $400 or even $500 ~ $600, but not really at $1,000.
A $1,500 gaming-focused PC will almost certainly be a much better value all things considered.
There was a much better argument for consoles at $300 ~ $400 or even $500 ~ $600, but not really at $1,000.
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Prodyhig
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Of course, because for some people with limited financial resources, paying €1500 is better than €1000.
€500 isn't a significant amount.
There's another important detail that's never considered. You have a €1500 PC most of the time connected to a monitor whose quality is inferior to any living room OLED TV.
And yes, I know you can take the PC to the living room... but for goodness sake... we all know how impractical and unsightly that is.
S0ULZB0URNE
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I didn't like paying $700 plus $80 for the Pro.
I think this price to be able to play physical is my console price threshold.
So I would sit out the next generation PlayStation if priced higher unless I got a incredible trade in deal for my Pro and having a disc drive is a must.
I think this price to be able to play physical is my console price threshold.
So I would sit out the next generation PlayStation if priced higher unless I got a incredible trade in deal for my Pro and having a disc drive is a must.
FalsettoVibe
Member
I agree somewhat, but I think ecosystems and convenience are major factors as well.
Puscifer
Member
I'm likely buying a 10a if GrapheneOS ports to it since my last update is October this year
Prodyhig
Member
Nostalgia is your worst enemy when it comes to evaluating current video games.
midnightAI
Member
Maybe, my guess is that wont be the case. for all games at least
yes development times are ridiculous (ish), 4-8 years for a AAA, but that's just assuming these first party Sony studios have just one team working on games, which in general, they don't, they have multiple teams, but n general, even with these long dev times, you would expect maybe more first party games this gen, I just think some of these have been pushed back/allowed more dev time to be PS6 ready now there is no competition, whether that's cross gen or not (I've mentioned previously, I am personally expecting the next Ratchet to maybe be an exclusive PS6 game utilising the PS6 strengths which I believe will be ray tracing/casting with AI/ML acceleration).
There were several other reasons that this gen was messed up from Covid, to (for Sony mostly) GAAS push then walk-back. Game dev times are still long but this gen 'shit happened' so next gen, and with the help of AI, 'maybe' we'll see shorter dev times.
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bender
What time is it?
No Titanium in the newest iPhone prevented me from upgrading last year.
Nostalgic Nightmare
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$1000 for a machine to play GAAS slop and remakes of remakes, barely able to hit stable framerates and loaded with DRM - sign me the fuck up, because this gen has been amazing.
Mr. PlayStation
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I'm okay with $1000 if the generation lasts for 9 years before a new console generation begins. Mid gen console refresh can happen in 4.5 years down the road, but no new console gen for 9 years straight.
viveks86
Gold Member
Aren't you made of 40% Titanium already? You want it in the phone too?
cinnamonandgravy
Member
$1k will be a poor first impression for most people.
but hope they also have a $2k super sexy premium option that really differentiates itself from the base SKU... not just bigger SSD and crap.
and if it doesnt have physical media/some way of owning games, im probably out regardless
but hope they also have a $2k super sexy premium option that really differentiates itself from the base SKU... not just bigger SSD and crap.
and if it doesnt have physical media/some way of owning games, im probably out regardless
cash_longfellow
Member
Yea, but that price point almost legitimately destroyed PlayStation. I'm telling you, if this truly happens, it's going to run a lot of people out of buying consoles, lead to probably $100 games, and ultimately kill the console gaming industry. And if you are going to talk about inflation you should probably mention that careers haven't inflated paychecks by that same amount, AND necessities cost a shit ton more too. You can't just use inflation as a justification for a price increase on one item without talking about inflation as a whole.
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Iced Arcade
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At that price point, the market will collapse under its own weight. Hardcore gamers will buy almost fucking anything to keep up with the new and shiny, but the casual audience, the real bread and butter of the industry will be priced out. That means fewer software sales overall, followed by meathead executives concluding they need to raise prices even more to "recoup losses," which only makes the problem worse.
People also need to stop using the iPhone price comparison. 98% of iPhone users aren't paying the full cost upfront, they're subsidizing it over two years through their carrier. That's not remotely the same thing.
People also need to stop using the iPhone price comparison. 98% of iPhone users aren't paying the full cost upfront, they're subsidizing it over two years through their carrier. That's not remotely the same thing.
asdasdasdbb
Member
I am not joking... "Buy a PS5" is what the message is gonna be.
Honestly, Sony might be better off calling it the PS5 Ultra. But that seems very doubtful.
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PeteBull
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I feel u, bro, i remember xbox had similar msg back in 2013:
Dat went super well, did it not?
coachmcguirk91
Member
You don't have to buy a next-gen console at launch, especially knowing that every AAA game will target and release on current gen hardware until at least 2033
rm082e
Gold Member
Oh for sure. I'm not saying we'll have $1,000 consoles and everything will just keep rolling. I think we are in for a major contraction in the ecosystem as a whole. I think a lot of people will stick with the PS5 and not move to the PS6 for years. I'm probably going to be one of them - I just bought a Pro and I'm hiding in my backlog bunker for years to come.
My point is if I put myself in PlayStation leadership's shoes, I doubt they have much choice but to move forward with the plans they've developed and deal with the costs the best they can. Maybe they can delay the PS6 launch by a year, but that's about all they can do.
It would be. So it'd won't be that powerful.Hardware at RTX 5080-levels for $1000 is a steal.
This is AMD we're talking about, king of amazing GPU performance until they come out.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Big difference is PS3 had a BR player which was leading edge tech, and could also play old discs. PS6 is likely digital with an add on drive. If PS3 had a DVD drive, it would had been parity priced with 360.
Also, consoles back then (including PS3) would drop to half price later in the gen. I think by 2009 it was down to $300. Consoles now hold their price, or even go up. Last gen X1/PS4 dropped to $200.
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Wilhelm_85
Gold Member
Yeah, and Steam shits all over any console ecosystem.
The convenience and ease of Xbox Live or whatever made sense when consoles were affordable. You could just jump in and play Call of Duty or Madden with your friends, but the barrier to entry is just too high for casuals at $1,000 or more. Only mid-to-hardcore players will remain in the market, and to most of them, a gaming PC is going to be a hell of a lot more attractive.
There's no world where $1,000+ is a mass market price for a gaming console.
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Venom Snake
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It would be. So it'd won't be that powerful.
This is AMD we're talking about, king of amazing GPU performance until they come out.
If the current rumors are confirmed in the future and the new xbox will be ~20% more powerful than the ps6 (which will reportedly be at about the level of the 9070XT), then it lands roughly in that area.
Will it have the same RT performance or tech? At that price point, i don't really care. The cheapest pre-built PCs in Poland (i'm checking right now) with a basic RTX 5070/Ryzen 7/32GB DDR4 and the shittiest motherboard, power supply, and case you can buy are close to $1,700. Even if Magnus was just that and cost 1,000 bloody Euros, it would still be a bargain where i live.
So i hope they will do everything, eat the costs, the accountant or even the fattest dick, whatever, but actually pull it off.
VAVA Mk2
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Most people buy their phones in the US through carriers for 36 months at $35-$40 a month. $1000 at one go is a big financial hit.
LarsQMorient
Member
So, are they designing one console/PC, or will release an S and a premium X?
Hollywood Hitman
Gold Member
I guess I just don't understand people, the ps3 was 500 dollars for a 20gb model 20....twenty... Fucking years ago. And people expect the console prices to be the same?
Sure would I love 5 600 bucks but 20 years is a long time. I fully see it being 7 or 800.
Sure would I love 5 600 bucks but 20 years is a long time. I fully see it being 7 or 800.
Not really. The 9070xt falls between the 5070 and 5070ti. In most games if you go to 4K Ultra settings then the 5080's minimum frame rate beats the 9070xt's average frame rate.If the current rumors are confirmed in the future and the new xbox will be ~20% more powerful than the ps6 (which will reportedly be at about the level of the 9070XT), then it lands roughly in that area.
Will it have the same RT performance or tech? At that price point, i don't really care. The cheapest pre-built PCs in Poland (i'm checking right now) with a basic RTX 5070/Ryzen 7/32GB DDR4 and the shittiest motherboard, power supply, and case you can buy are close to $1,700. Even if Magnus was just that and cost 1,000 bloody Euros, it would still be a bargain where i live.
So i hope they will do everything, eat the costs, the accountant or even the fattest dick, whatever, but actually pull it off.
If AMD could have actually gotten the cards to stick around their $600 MSRP, it would have been a great value and sold well. The problem was it was hitting $700-720. At that point just get an 5070ti for all the extra features an NVIDIA card will give you along side much better raytracing performance.
The 9070xt really should be a $1,250-1,300 PC. A console with that level of performance at $1,000 but two years later?
The base PS5 is basically a 6700 non-xt in terms of performance. But came out 7 months before that GPU did. Though when the PS5 came out the GOAT 1080ti was almost four years old, and still faster than the 6700. The PS5 is a little faster than the RTX 3060, but that was a $329 card. That should hopefully give perspective on how bad a value a $1,000 console with 9070xt performance in a year and a half would be.
Venom Snake
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Not really. The 9070xt falls between the 5070 and 5070ti. In most games if you go to 4K Ultra settings then the 5080's minimum frame rate beats the 9070xt's average frame rate.
If AMD could have actually gotten the cards to stick around their $600 MSRP, it would have been a great value and sold well. The problem was it was hitting $700-720. At that point just get an 5070ti for all the extra features an NVIDIA card will give you along side much better raytracing performance.
The 9070xt really should be a $1,250-1,300 PC. A console with that level of performance at $1,000 but two years later?
The base PS5 is basically a 6700 non-xt in terms of performance. But came out 7 months before that GPU did. Though when the PS5 came out the GOAT 1080ti was almost four years old, and still faster than the 6700. The PS5 is a little faster than the RTX 3060, but that was a $329 card. That should hopefully give perspective on how bad a value a $1,000 console with 9070xt performance in a year and a half would be.
The RTX5080 is roughly 20% faster than the 9070XT, as is Magnus compared to the PS6 (which is supposed to be similar to the 9070XT). How can i put this more clearly? Magnus seems to be RTX5080 level of performance, plus minus whatever.
A PC with these specs costs significantly more in my country. This Radeon is at least $750 and the RTX 5070Ti over $1000 alone. If MS can offer a complete package (CPU, RAM, and 9070XT +20%) for $1000, that's a killer deal for me. It might not be the case where you live, but it is for me.
The cheapest i could find, with the 9070XT, is $1,642. Compare that to the rumored Magnus specs. If they're reliable, of course.
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DaleinCalgary
Getting the shaft
To those here.
You had a week to buy one at the price we have had for a while.
You had a week to buy one at the price we have had for a while.
TexMex
Member
Already been addressed but, no different than a cell phone, there are an infinite number of ways to get a new console on a payment plan.