Liquidsnake
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In fact I will go as far as to say that DDP was a better in ring wrestler, and drew more money than Orton could ever dream.
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December Wrasslin |OT| Shaking Hands, Jerking Knees, Eating Mistletoe, Feeling Energy
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It could've just been one of those moments.
DDP in his heyday was HUGE
NoRéN;33838025 said:
Someone claimed he "defecated" in a diva's bag back in 2004 or so, but that rumor was quashed by the diva herself, though she di say he was verbally abusive.
That "by all accounts he's a huge dick in real life" is total bullshit. He seems to have been a fair bit of a toerag when he was younger, but that was when he was in his early twenties, he's thirty one now, and a family man. While he seems a little prone to cruelty at times (his fairly heartless statement publicly about Kelly Kelly for instance), he would seem to be a fairly decent guy nowadays, and is well liked backstage these days
And someone called him overrated? Seriously?
He gets nothing but shit from people about his wrestling (and has for yeears), despite being a solid performer and having put on great matches all year.
You can't be overrated (in the sense of "he's overrated, he's not that good") if you are not getting rated highly in the first place.
If anything he's UNDERrated.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
And how much you wanna bet that HHH probably despises Orton and blew a load when he heard about the injury. Orton is the one guy besides Cena (who's just a company-man) who's actually more over than Trips. Orton put that big-nosed bastard in his place.
lol no way, both the in-ring ability and pop
I think Randy Orton's body of work this year more than speaks for itself. Quite likely the most consistently good wrestler on the roster. His matches with Punk were spectacular. His matches with Rhodes were great, and his matches with Barrett - who he used have less than zero chemistry with - have been surprisingly pleasant. His matches with Henry were, again, surprisingly good, with some great storytelling, and the outcome was hugely surprising. On TV, outside of feuds, he's had great matches with the likes of Ziggler, Otunga (Otunga!), Sheamus, DiBiase and Kane.
I never understood the criticism of the RKO out of nowhere. It always seemed to me that it was "That's something Randy Orton does, therefore I hate it." You can't have an abrupt ending to a match, you can't go into a finishing sequence; it would appear that he's stuck between a rock and hard place.
Even his work with a microphone has been competent. He's not supposed be The Rock, Christian or CM Punk. He's not supposed to be funny or oozing charisma. He's supposed to go out there, say he's going to beat someone up later in the most threatening way possible and, hey, Bob's your uncle.
I never understood the criticism of the RKO out of nowhere. It always seemed to me that it was "That's something Randy Orton does, therefore I hate it." You can't have an abrupt ending to a match, you can't go into a finishing sequence; it would appear that he's stuck between a rock and hard place.
Even his work with a microphone has been competent. He's not supposed be The Rock, Christian or CM Punk. He's not supposed to be funny or oozing charisma. He's supposed to go out there, say he's going to beat someone up later in the most threatening way possible and, hey, Bob's your uncle.
-Pyromaniac-
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Also anyone think that it would be incredibly hard to turn Orton heel? He is SO over that he'd have to do some incredibly vile shit to get the majority of the crowd to boo him lol.
He'd have to like beat up Cena and his wife and then shit in JR's hat.
He'd have to like beat up Cena and his wife and then shit in JR's hat.
We all get stupid moments, even the most serene of us, and he was around Triple H all the time (in and out of the ring) then. That dude is poison for social interaction, and it spreads.
Liquidsnake
Banned
Don't you think that dropping on all fours, and pounding his fists into the mat and imitating a snake is a little 1985'ish?
"Cole look his transforming before our eyes into the viper" "My god the APEX predator" His mat skills are not that great. I don't think they are.
Its just to much.
If he beat up Cena he'd be cheered, apart from some little jimmies.
I would say it's fully impossible to turn him heel at this current stage. He already acts like a heel as a face.
Hell, the only way I can see him getting boos is if you turned him "face" face and a goody two shoes corporate guy, or something. And that would be stupid.
-Pyromaniac-
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it's just one of those pointless complaints. The whole nature of the RKO makes it almost impossible to be actually set up, and when he does attempt to set it up with the ground pounding people complain about the stupid viper thing he does on the mat. Also then there are finishers which have the most contrived setups imaginable.
RKO is one of the best finishers since the stunner and all them.
that's why I said his wife as well lol
The thing is that his whole gimmick is that he's crazy, does things of his own volition, hears voices in his head and is likened unto a snake, but that crowd just eats that shit up. He'd probably have to betray a face in a really cruel way in order to get booed, and it can't be Cena cause they already beat that horse.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
hahahahaha
And wait was Pescado's post serious? I thought he was being sarcastic because Michaels is a well-known, self-centered scumbag just like HHH. He and HHH plotted to stop The Rock's first major push and title run. I don't wanna hear that HHH had influence on him; he was a grown man not a teenager.
I would not believe it, not because of who HBK at the time, but simply because it's a random ass story on the internet.
Liquidsnake
Banned
Right....the Apex predator. *rolls eyes*
I really would like Cara to learn english during the time he's out, if he's going to replace Mysterio I want to hear him say how people are going to be beaten by the
Yeah but we're talking near the end of his career Shawn, not Attitude Era Shawn.
-Pyromaniac-
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he'd basically have to betray the most over face in the company by a mile. Problem is....that's him.
His work on the microphone is impacted by the Viper character he's stuck with. He frankly shouldn't talk much at all as that character, just be this dangerous psycho who stalks his prey and all that jazz.
He actually would have a lot more to offer on thee mic if they let him be himself more. The real Orton is a pretty funny, cheerful guy (listen to some of his radio interviews, he's a lot of laughs). Maybe that wouldn't translate to promos that well, but he's got more in him than the monotone Viper stuff.
Maybe down the line in the later years of his career he'll have a different kind of character that'll let him be more lively on the mic.
Remember his random jumping splits? More shit like that would be welcome.
Since we're talking about Orton, still one of my favorite feuds/matches of the last 10 years
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_AUNEGzuXU
Seriously, why hasn't the WWE given us a blu-ray of all these hype videos? About 50% of the time they're the best thing on a PPV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_AUNEGzuXU
Seriously, why hasn't the WWE given us a blu-ray of all these hype videos? About 50% of the time they're the best thing on a PPV
I think we all separate HBK's first and second WWE runs entirely. He was legitimately a totally different man the second time round and I wouldn't hold the shit he did in the 90's against his modern self.
-Pyromaniac-
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they seriously are, they make even the boring feuds seem like the most epic things that ever took place.
Nocturnowl
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I love the idea of an RKO out of nowhere, some of his counter RKO's like the one out of Taker's chokeslam at WM21 are brilliant. But the problem as of this year is that most of them are incredibly telegraphed, it becomes the opposite of what it's supposed to be.
It was pretty funny when he injured his arm against Edge doing the fist pound and they had to rush a count out finish.
Shadowlink
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Orton vs Orton at Wrestlemania 28!
Orton punts Foley no less than two times in that video. Mick Foley; one tough cookie.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Wow I'm shocked Orton's only 31, what da heyl. I thought he was like 34-35 like Cena. Good news!
EDIT: Ithil is dropping truth-bombs all over the place.
EDIT: Ithil is dropping truth-bombs all over the place.
Mr. Enigma
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BOTCH.
Wrong thread.
Wrong thread.
Orton feuds with his shadow.
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
thats easy. make him have an epiphany and realize the apex predator is not the way. he starts wearing suits and he sabotages other wrestlers. make him like mr H and make him interim gm and book himself for title matches. that'll get dead heat on him
What first big Rock push are you talking about? In what year?
-Pyromaniac-
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if this were still the attitude era I could totally see that happening.
Also lol @ at the amount of pages of discussion on Randy Orton. It's like the most serious discussion we've had in months.
actually if you wanted cheap heel heat, just make him Johnny Ace's right hand man, doing his dirty work. The crowd hates that dude.
But that wouldn't fit Orton's character I guess.
Man I remember that promo by Foley in the chair backstage. Some of his best ever work, and that is saying something.
Definitely the feud that MADE Orton.
El Pescado
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Basically this.
If the story was from the early 90's I'd totally believe it. Now not so much.
I don't think Orton's the most over face in the company. We've just established how big an Orton fan I am, so know that I don't say this out of spite. Right now, I think Cena, Punk and, arguably, Ryder are more over than him. You might also want to include The Rock. And Triple H. And The Undertaker. And Rey Mysterio. He's somewhere in that mix, sure, but I don't think he's at the top.
I don't know, of the non-Attitude Era people he's the most consistently over. Cena is always split to a minimum degree, and while Punk and Ryder are both very over, they're over in certain parts much more than they are in others. Orton gets a huge pop pretty much everywhere they've been all year.
So the biggest Punk/Ryder pops are bigger than Orton's, certainly, but they aren't over as evenly as he is. There's been shows where the crowd weren't that interested in Ryder, for instance, next to others like MSG that were wild for him.
They're the three I'd put at the top (and that's over Triple H, despite his best efforts for the last six months)
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Don't know the specifics but I read that somewhere.
That's even less helpful.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Yeah just a terrible post on my part but I read that's what happened. It wasn't like a crappy dirtsheet source I don't think.
One of the few times where I actually enjoyed watching Bobby Lashley:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83pJdvr_P-g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83pJdvr_P-g
-Pyromaniac-
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The reason why I say that is because Rock's big push came in 99, and HBK and HHH have both said that they weren't really close friends again from 98 to about 2002. Not that they were enemies, but HBK's issues brought resentment between them, so I find it hard to believe that they patched things together to somehow sabotage the Rock, especially since I doubt HBK had much stroke in the company in 99.
Mm, you have a good point. I do wonder how much of the reaction you hear on SmackDown recording's are genuine sometimes, but he always does well when he appears on Raw.
Interesting sub-discussion - are we including Rey Mysterio as an 'Attitude Era person'? He was around then, yeah, but he only really hit it big well after the Attitude Era.
He can't draw a decent rating on Smackdown, so I can't agree with that.
It's easy to tell which parts of Smackdown are real pops and not. The sound effects from WWF No Mercy with still crowd are fake (75% of most show's pops), the actual crowd cheers with people visibly standing up and cheering are real.
The WWE still fails to notice the obvious discrepancy after 12 years of Smackdown.
The WWE still fails to notice the obvious discrepancy after 12 years of Smackdown.
-Pyromaniac-
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no one can
They're just as deaf as me, then. The only time I notice is when you hear a massive pop but see a crowd checking their fingernails and reading newspapers.
no one can
Didn't it go up the other week? You know, because Daniel Bryan means ratings.
Well, I guess Mysterio isn't. He's sort of from the inbetween period for Attitude Era and Brand Extension Era. That or it just feels like he's been around forever and I was automatically putting him with the Attitude Era folks without thinking about it. He's certainly as over as anyone in the company, and despite being big with the kids he's over with the rest of the audience too.
Smackdown was doing solid rating-wise pre-WM and wasn't doing well again until this past Fall when he lost the title and the show wasn't revolving around him.no one can
To be fair to Orton his time as champion completely revolved around his feud with Christian which was incredibly terrible outside of their great matches.
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