PdotMichael
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sounds like Bravestarr, Silverhawks or other "... in space" cartoons from the 80s.
but now with CG and more fanservice
Winter 2012 Anime Thread of Roundcats Up in This
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sounds like Bravestarr, Silverhawks or other "... in space" cartoons from the 80s.
but now with CG and more fanservice
I've always wanted to see something like this. Is it any good and does anybody use a saxophone?
The main problem I have with ABe shows is that where the hell is Despera?!
And no DrForester that doesn't count
And this can be fixed so easily.
They also used it constantly in the God Eater OP and in BRS The Game's OP. To be fair, calling it "rotoscope" isn't accurate, as they are actually doing animation from scratch using CG models... they're just "drawing over CG animation so that it looks 2D".
Jex
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[Nisemonogatari 1]
It's back, for better or for worse. Maybe both. They've really crossed lines that perhaps should not be crossed. Like, ever.
The only thing I can confirm is that Senjougahara is the best and this OP is terrible. SHAFT have truly forgotten how to make good OP's.
In terms of plot specifics:
The dialogue is very Bakemonogatari and the visuals are very Shinbo. The animation is, of course, SHAFT which means it runs the gamete from moments of great animation to still shots. It's all the same!
It's back, for better or for worse. Maybe both. They've really crossed lines that perhaps should not be crossed. Like, ever.
The only thing I can confirm is that Senjougahara is the best and this OP is terrible. SHAFT have truly forgotten how to make good OP's.
In terms of plot specifics:
In the present, Araragi is confined and kept tied up for some unknown reason. In the past he wanders around talking to various members of this (ever growing) harem for no apparent reason. That sure was creepy as hell, Araragi.
The dialogue is very Bakemonogatari and the visuals are very Shinbo. The animation is, of course, SHAFT which means it runs the gamete from moments of great animation to still shots. It's all the same!
I can totally understand you getting this feeling from the anime, but really, you have to read the manga. While it obviously doesn't have the depth of exploration of the topic that it would if its characters were adults and came at their situations as adults, I still think it's a very powerful series.
Well, but I think the fact of the matter is this: Nitorin isn't masculine. He has no idea how to be so, and that's where part of his struggle comes from. The topic of masculinity comes from Takatsuki, the main female character, and that's exactly how it makes sense. She didn't get as much of the spotlight in the anime as Nitorin did, but her story is that of not totally understanding what it means to be feminine, because all of her feelings tell her that that's not who she really is.
I absolutely agree, and as much as it pains me to say so, I think the anime was a failure in that regard. But, really, I can see almost no way it could have been done well while (a) retaining the spirit of the manga, and (b) hitting on enough points from it to satisfy fans without making it some completely different side-story. Unfortuantely, I think it was one of those "damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenarios.
I think it ended up having two successes: making Hourou Musuko fans happy to get to see any part of the story animated, and hopefully encouraging people not familiar with the series to go read the manga. It seems to have failed you in that second point, and I'm really sorry that it did.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Nisemonogatari 01 Dropped: I lasted fifteen minutes. But the animation is good (and it looks like Citizen Kane when compared to Bodacious Space Pirates).
Jex
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Well, I never thought it would be worth watching but people were hoping for amusing trash. I guess that was too much to ask for.
Nisemonogatari - 01
How the fuck did they expect us to go through all that without getting bored? I could barely follow the latter quarter's conversation because I stopped paying attention.
And Araragi's lolicon level went to a different dimension. Jesus christ.
Oh, and as usual Shaft has mastered the art form of using 10,000 lines of dialogue as an excuse to show a slideshow rather than an animation.
How the fuck did they expect us to go through all that without getting bored? I could barely follow the latter quarter's conversation because I stopped paying attention.
And Araragi's lolicon level went to a different dimension. Jesus christ.
Oh, and as usual Shaft has mastered the art form of using 10,000 lines of dialogue as an excuse to show a slideshow rather than an animation.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Wandering Son
I'm curious - I'm tremendously frustrated with how this manga and Aoi Hana have developed over the last year or so - are you? It's not that it's meandering, it's both texts have moved from their original premises to becoming "yetanotherhighschoolromance". Nitorin's crossdressing has become more AKB49-like than anything else.
At least there's the new episode 10 and 11!
Jex
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hosannainexcelsis
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I don't agree on either point here: I was very satisfied with the anime as a stand-alone work, and it did not make me interested in reading any of the manga.
Jex
Member
I had no problem keeping up with the conversation. However there was literally no structure to the episode, or at least that's what it felt like. Stuff just 'happened'.
Nisemonogatari:
Words fail me. I cannot adequately capture how much I missed this.
And now every week for the next 11 or so weeks.
2012 is off to a great start.
Words fail me. I cannot adequately capture how much I missed this.
And now every week for the next 11 or so weeks.
2012 is off to a great start.
Speaking of peer pressure and terrible garbage, are you going to watch Nise or will you wait until it's complete?
So it's basically what everyone expected!
Yeah, that's exactly why I just let the words fly over my head waiting for something to happen. Well, it's my fault for having expectations in the first place I guess. Because.
Elaborate witty lines as an excuse to see a loli's panties isn't what I was expecting.
The murder of her hair hasn't happened yet.
Won't happen until later so we're just enjoying the ride for now.
Jex
Member
I can see that this is going to be one of those shows!
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
But that's what Bakemonogatari was.
The courage to ignore silly things like narrative structure in the name of anime
But..but.. not to this extent!
[Aoi Hana / Hôrô Musuko]
I believe we've already talked about that some time ago, but I don't think we agree about what the original premises (or intents) were in the first place.
Jex
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Well, not really. There was certainly bountiful amounts of fanservice in the show, but it's more about the reams and reams of that dialogue which helped to define the shows handful of good characters.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Did we?
The first chapters of Aoi Hana has Fumi telling "us" through monologue that she was having sex with her cousin before she went off and got married before moving on to the whole dating a "fake" lesbian thing. In fact, Fumi basically craps all over the girl she likes for basically playing around at being a lesbian and using her.
I don't really remember the first volume of Wandering Son, but they were always building up to Nitorin coming out - first, being forcibly outed and then second, choosing to out himself.
I like how he has different facial proportions in each shot.Don't forget the triple tilt:
Hey, hey. It's been a while since i've watched Bakemono, but Araragi goes
literal pedophile
You'd think he would never be as shameless as to kiss a little girl's chest area. Nope.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Sailor Moon 33
Finally
has arrived. This was a pretty jam packed episode in regards to content.
Zoisite is in some deep, deep shit. I cant help but think that
Really liked how that scene involving the
was used as a catalyst for a couple things including Mamoru starting to doubt
and then the second long cameo introduction to that girl and her
when the two girls were crying after they found theres an
on the loose. A nice little form of foreshadowing.
You and me both were trapped Tuxedo. You and me both.
That introduction was fierce.
Finally
Sailor Venus
Zoisite is in some deep, deep shit. I cant help but think that
his lover Kunzite is merely using him for his own self benefit. Its just a hunch.
Really liked how that scene involving the
window cleaning guys
Sailor Moon, thinking shes some glory hound.
cat
imposter Sailor Moon
You and me both were trapped Tuxedo. You and me both.
Jadeite being that good looking as a woman is wrong. Just wrong. I should have seen this coming and yet I didnt 
That introduction was fierce.
Im not sure how exactly they are going to tone down Sailor Venus power levels and not make it look dumb as crap. The other 4 girls got destroyed by Kunzite, and Sailor Venus manages to stop both Kunzite and Zoisite by herself.
He molests the same girl in bakemono, remember when he chased her down and groped her (not just once, at that)? He's always been pretty pedo. Now it's just been cranked up a bit but the seeds have always been there.
chickdigger802
Banned
Senki Zesshou Symphogear 1
Is it just me or is the henshin sequence near mirror of the one in mai otome
?
And boobs.
Glad those aren't irrelevant in 2012.
Is it just me or is the henshin sequence near mirror of the one in mai otome
?And boobs.
Glad those aren't irrelevant in 2012.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
I'm interested in reading the manga some day, but I agree that I feel the anime stands on its own just fine. Obviously there is a lot of stuff it wasn't able to get into, but I feel like it told a great story and communicated interesting characters to me. I would recommend it to just about anyone even if I knew they would have no interest in reading the manga afterwards.
Jex
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Jex
Member
Araragi is truly a terrible human being.
Yeah, I remember that, I just don't remember it being this bad.
Anyway, even though the first episode was slow, I think it'll pick up just like bakemono.
Nisemonogatari 1
It's beautiful... well, except for the terrible OP but i'm sure it's the typical SHAFT place-holder. Senjougahara owns just as much as I remembered, i'll be savouring the ponytail for as long as it lasts.
It's beautiful... well, except for the terrible OP but i'm sure it's the typical SHAFT place-holder. Senjougahara owns just as much as I remembered, i'll be savouring the ponytail for as long as it lasts.
Hopefully thats the last we'll see of the snail loli in Nise.
By "pick up" you mean "drop off in quality dramatically" ?
Dave1988
Member
This needs to be animated and made canon. It's like Gainax is purpusefully trolling all those nerds that think that NGE is deep and philosofical.
I absolutely have frustrations over the manga.
For like three volumes, it felt like it was nothing but "let's put on a wacky gender play/event!" The first time that happened, it felt like something really daring that the students were proposing. And then, it felt like it just kept happening and happening, almost like the creator wasn't sure what to do next. I think, as part of this, you had the students going through their school years without and huge development happening amongst them, and now they've gotten separated. I would like to have seen the dymanics in the relationships grow more than they did before that separation happened.
I also get really frustrated because it seems sometimes like she lets Nitorin and Takatsuki fall into these "oh, my gender issues don't matter anymore" periods. That can absolutely happenyou tell yourself that maybe your inner feelings are wrong, and that you need to "try harder" at being who you're "supposed to be"but I haven't always liked how these moments were handled. Offhand, I remember one period where Nitorin seems to be totally back in "I'm just a normal boy" mode, and we weren't really given any look at him struggling with making the decision to try that, or the huge emotional toll doing so may have taken on him.
For as much as I think Shimura understands many of the factors to the struggle with gender identity, she also shows times when she either doesn't understand other factors, or doesn't appreciate how much they matter. So, because of this, the story can occasionally slip into points where the reader might feel like these are more of fetish-level choices for Nitorin or Takatsuki, versus deeply emotional identity issues.
And yeah, sometimes the story just feels like it's moving along and absolutely nothing is happening. Unfortuantely, I think that's part of the downside of manga when you're looking at something that needs to have a longer run but doesn't want to advance the characters too far from where people have become fans of them.
Jex
Member
I don't know, people said that about Maria and Holic Season 2. Also, Bakemonogatari started off with a good OP!
Ah well, times have changed.
It's trying to imitate the LN too hard. They should have dropped all the unnecessary dialogue and gotten to the thick of things. The arc hasn't even begun yet, basically. That's why I say it'll pick up.
Now, about the drop off in quality, I wouldn't possibly know but i'm hoping for the best.
Whoa, I completely forgot they did a second season of Maria Holic. I haven't even bothered to watch the first one yet. Also let us not forget about the original SZS OP.
Dedication Through Light
Member
Bodacious Space Pirates 1
Well that was good. Much better than I expected. All of the major characters are interesting, Ririka-san is an epic pirate whom better stay throughout the series, I hope, Kane McDougal brings me all the laughs, and Chiaki Kurihara is pretty cool.
. Graphics and animation were nice, and the theme song, though seemingly like a glorious mess was quite catchy. I loved it.
Well that was good. Much better than I expected. All of the major characters are interesting, Ririka-san is an epic pirate whom better stay throughout the series, I hope, Kane McDougal brings me all the laughs, and Chiaki Kurihara is pretty cool.
banana parfait scene was awesome
Ten hours of impeccable research on youtube has revealed to me that at least this opening happened later in Maria Holic 2.
Although at that point Nise will just move on to the next haremette. I think this current op is here to stay.
hosannainexcelsis
Member
Nisemonogatari 1
Checks all the Shaft/Nisioisin boxes you'd expect. Some random thoughts:
Senjougahara is as awesome as ever and makes the show worth watching. The opening was quite the arresting shock.
The OP has a couple interesting ideas, but is too sparse to be good.
The architecture of Araragi's house is insane.
There's not nearly as much text thrown up on the screen as there was in Bakemono. The direction in general felt toned down, for better or worse.
It's easy to see why people considered this to be aimless, considering that there were no "events" besides the typically meandering dialogue. There was a constant theme running through the post-OP section though - Araragi's concern for his sisters and desire to keep them from getting involved in his supernatural problems. Hopefully the next episode will make both that and
pay off.
There was nothing here as bad as episodes 9-10 of Bakemono. Of course there's still plenty of time for that.
Checks all the Shaft/Nisioisin boxes you'd expect. Some random thoughts:
Senjougahara is as awesome as ever and makes the show worth watching. The opening was quite the arresting shock.
The OP has a couple interesting ideas, but is too sparse to be good.
The architecture of Araragi's house is insane.
There's not nearly as much text thrown up on the screen as there was in Bakemono. The direction in general felt toned down, for better or worse.
It's easy to see why people considered this to be aimless, considering that there were no "events" besides the typically meandering dialogue. There was a constant theme running through the post-OP section though - Araragi's concern for his sisters and desire to keep them from getting involved in his supernatural problems. Hopefully the next episode will make both that and
the confinement sequence
There was nothing here as bad as episodes 9-10 of Bakemono. Of course there's still plenty of time for that.
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