Girls Generation - "The Boys" Live On David Letterman

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MorisUkunRasik said:
All of neogaf lost their minds the other day when Kristin Bell reverted to an 8 year old.

just sayin'
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the weird thing is I found that adorable (it seemed genuine), but I find ultra cutesy girl groups repulsive. even if you remove stupid childish poses/lyrics (which any grown women should be ASHAMED OF DOING), the music isn't very catchy. I love pop music, even "bad" pop music, and this stuff doesn't even come close to qualifying as a guilty pleasure. I find their music, behaviour, and the fan culture surrounding them disgusting. all of you people deserve to die, and I hope you burn in hell.

e: what makes me a huge hypocrite is I like tommy february6. the difference is she is a persona... and her music is catchy.
 
Evening Musuko said:
lol. I love it when people say this kind of stuff. It's especially hilarious when they go on their pilgrimage to Korea/Japan/Wherever and that somehow makes them better than the rest of the fans. And by hilarious I mean annoying as fuck.



Interestingly enough, I'm Mexican-American and I've been listening to J-Pop and K-Pop since the early 90's. Dunno how exactly that came about.
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Don't worry I mostly listen to music pioneered by gay black men in the 80s.
 
OpinionatedCyborg said:
the weird thing is I found that adorable (it seemed genuine), but I find ultra cutesy girl groups repulsive. even if you remove stupid childish poses/lyrics (which any grown women should be ASHAMED OF DOING), the music isn't very catchy. I love pop music, even "bad" pop music, and this stuff doesn't even come close to qualifying as a guilty pleasure. I find their music, behaviour, and the fan culture surrounding them disgusting. all of you people deserve to die, and I hope you burn in hell.

e: what makes me a huge hypocrite is I like tommy february6. the difference is she is a persona... and her music is catchy.
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Haha, awesome.
 
OpinionatedCyborg said:
the weird thing is I found that adorable (it seemed genuine), but I find ultra cutesy girl groups repulsive. even if you remove stupid childish poses/lyrics (which any grown women should be ASHAMED OF DOING), the music isn't very catchy. I love pop music, even "bad" pop music, and this stuff doesn't even come close to qualifying as a guilty pleasure. I find their music, behaviour, and the fan culture surrounding them disgusting. all of you people deserve to die, and I hope you burn in hell.

e: what makes me a huge hypocrite is I like tommy february6. the difference is she is a persona... and her music is catchy.
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I fucking love Tommy February6. She's my all time favorite. ALL TIME
 
Dice said:
I wouldn't question your familiarity and connection with your own culture, but I would question your perceptions of others because it is your culture. Do you think that maybe, despite all your criticisms of it, the fact it is yours makes you leery of others who take interest?

I mean, that's the one thing I know I can't understand fully. I mean, I'm Irish, and I have some connection to that and pride in it, but I know it's not near the same level as most Koreans with their culture. When you get down to it, I'm actually just American. The culture of where I grew up has no connection to my identity and I hold no sense of possession over it.

Ultimately I can't fully understand Koreans because of that, but I consider reactions, like when Koreans ask me why I like Korean culture. What if I had grown up in Ireland? How much stronger would all of that be for me? What if, then, there were a bunch of Koreans that took interest in Irish culture? I can imagine that, and I could imagine it seeming odd. "Why?" I would wonder "It isn't yours. Why do you care?" just like some Koreans have asked me in the past. It might seem like exoticism, it might seem creepy.

So is that part of it? I mean, really, as an American I don't feel like I have a culture. It's almost like our culture is the fact that we don't have one. Sure, we have things like jazz music or something hanging around, but nothing is really handed down to you and said "This is ours" but rather you find what you like and go with it. So it's not odd for me to see Americans taking an interest in any given culture and rolling with it, and I have had friends go off to several different places in the world to stay.

I have also had plenty of friends who came here from other countries. They had practical interest which got them here, but then once they stayed for a while, they took an interest in whatever it is that makes us unique in America. I guess I don't see it because I started here, but they came from somewhere else, and retain their heritage while checking out this country. And in the midst of this, it just solidifies in my mind as something normal in the modern world. We are globalizing. Lots of people take a liking to other countries.

Anyway, those are just random ramblings on cultural identity and perception of the intentions and perspectives others hold as they take interests apart from their own culture. It's something I consider often as I want to function as a bridge of friendship between countries as globalization increases. I think it is a good thing. Food for thought.
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I don't mind if people like Korean culture at all. I'm completely fine with my identity as a Kortean-American and after having spent enough time in Korea, I pick and choose what I like about my culture and what I dislike, like treatment of multiracial Koreans and handicapped folks.

I do take umbrage that because of someone's cultural immersion that I have less of a claim to my birthright. That I am less of a product of my culture and history because I can't name anyone from Finkl besides Hyori. Because lets be honest, who cares about the other girls from Finkl besides Hyori?

But its extremely arrogant. And if they knew so much about Korean culture they would know that acting like that is a sure way to get your ass beat.

But to address your thing about globalization, I think there is something about Koreans culture that is very isolationist. But it conflicts with our sorrow and inferiority coplex, where Korea seems to need the entire world to acknowledge them. The whole colonization thing, and China and Japan having a larger global presence through much of modern history, really did a number on the country's psyche. Korea wants it all, to be on the world stage, but to also be a little bit of the Hermit Kingdom.

Meh. Still don't like a lot of KPop.
 
Chesskid1 said:
i know, it's real crazy.

found this in the kpop thread, here's a list of what one korean forum bought for one of their members for their birthdays.

wtf?
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what does mickey symbolize with this woman?

and they sent her clothes too? damn son.
 
They can't sing. They can't dance. They lip sync in 2012. They don't write their own music. And their producers are stuck in the 90s boy/girl band era. Can someone explain to me why anyone takes them seriously?
 
marathonfool said:
Those hot women threads were deleted. I'm sure the Kpop isn't 100% about girls, but the images that fill every single thread page are 90% girls. You can see why I would think it is creepy to see an entire sub-community on GAF filled with mostly images of Korean girls.

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They werent deleted, they were locked because they were creepy and did nothing more than post lewd pictures of women. There is a big difference with the kpop thread, which is why its still open. I can see why you would THINK its creepy, but if you looked past it you might see the error of your ways, if you were so inclined.

edit: did a mod do that avatar to ghst? lol
 
ChiTownBuffalo said:
But to address your thing about globalization, I think there is something about Koreans culture that is very isolationist. But it conflicts with our sorrow and inferiority coplex, where Korea seems to need the entire world to acknowledge them. The whole colonization thing, and China and Japan having a larger global presence through much of modern history, really did a number on the country's psyche. Korea wants it all, to be on the world stage, but to also be a little bit of the Hermit Kingdom.
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Random small tangent: I wonder about how that will last, for both Korea and the slightly more open yet still closed Japan, as their birthrates remain so low. They'll have to pull in foreigners, right? How is that going to transform attitudes? Stuff like that is another side of why I want to help facilitate intercultural friendship and openness. If the process seems unavoidable, it should be more trusting, and intentionally so.

Ashhong said:
They werent deleted, they were locked because they were creepy and did nothing more than post lewd pictures of women. There is a big difference with the kpop thread, which is why its still open. I can see why you would THINK its creepy, but if you looked past it you might see the error of your ways, if you were so inclined.
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Well, we are still men who enjoy sex appeal, but we do try to not be a bunch of slobbering dogs... mostly.
 
I like Girls' Generation (well, half of them anyway), but I wish they just stayed in Asia. I'd be satisfied with an occasional stop in NYC during their concert tours though.
 
PhoenixDark said:
They can't sing. They can't dance. They lip sync in 2012. They don't write their own music. And their producers are stuck in the 90s boy/girl band era. Can someone explain to me why anyone takes them seriously?
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to be fair, they are the apex of the boy/girl band model with respect to presentation. in terms of music, they are mediocre at best and not worth anyone's time, but the Koreans have the look, marketing, etc. completely down.

if they made catchy music, I would probably love them, creepiness aside. for instance, I think the Backstreet Boys are a horrible band with absolutely no artistic merit or message worth communicating, but I'll be damned if some of their songs aren't insanely catchy and fun to listen to. "the call" is so stupid... but fuck is it catchy and hilariously over dramatic. they use a lot of tried and true chord progressions and harmonies that make some of their songs a lot of fun.
 
Dice said:
Random small tangent: I wonder about how that will last, for both Korea and the slightly more open yet still closed Japan, as their birthrates remain so low. They'll have to pull in foreigners, right? How is that going to transform attitudes? Stuff like that is another side of why I want to help facilitate intercultural friendship and openness. If the process seems unavoidable, it should be more trusting, and intentionally so.
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I think there is very little Koreans love more than being Korean. I'm sure the government will subsidize kids, or restrict international adoptions (not really, but something to think about normalizing those kids into society) I mean, I'm part of the problem, I'm not ready to settle down, and it feels really archaic for me, but I''m going to have some pureblood Korean kids and do my part. And I dunno, what I'll do with my kids, but as long as one marries Korean (the male child) I'll be good.

Saying this, I'm probably going to marry a nice Chicago Irish girl and have some stunning hapa daughters I will have to keep away from all social media and the internets.
 
ChiTownBuffalo said:
K-Pop-Gaf only crosses the line when non-Korean members PM me questioning my Korean-ness.

"I know more about Korean culture than you. I have more Korean friends than you. I watch more K-drama than you do. YHou don't know a 10th about what's going on your own country than I do." etc. etc.
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No way this has happened, that would be too lol worthy and pathetic at the same time, I imagine them writing those pm's to you while crying at the same time that they are not Koreans and they want a korean girlfriend. LOL
 
Sadly playing the worse song. Looked hot as fuck though...

Felt awkward as fuck too...

I think 2NE1 or like Yoonha would have been better...

This felt more like, in your face, in a weird way...

and Regis and Murray hahah
 
ChiTownBuffalo said:
I do take umbrage that because of someone's cultural immersion that I have less of a claim to my birthright. That I am less of a product of my culture and history because I can't name anyone from Finkl besides Hyori. Because lets be honest, who cares about the other girls from Finkl besides Hyori?
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Poor Ok Joo Hyun. :(

Parallax said:
what does mickey symbolize with this woman?

and they sent her clothes too? damn son.
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She really likes Mickey. And yeah, it's pretty crazy and common when it comes to Asian Pop artists. Dunno if it's crazier than buying 100 copies of their album so they reach No. 1 on the charts.
 
PhoenixDark said:
They can't sing. They can't dance. They lip sync in 2012. They don't write their own music. And their producers are stuck in the 90s boy/girl band era. Can someone explain to me why anyone takes them seriously?
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They have all had extremely difficult vocal and dance training beginning at 10-12 years old when they were selected for the group in tryouts, and that is currently ongoing. Given that most of them are in their early 20s that means they've basically learned the shit for half of their lives. I wouldn't quite say they don't know how to sing or dance, because they do, although some of them are more natural talents at it than others. They probably have more formal training in it than pretty much every single western pop act I can think of. That seems to be how asians roll, like the absolutely insanely talented japanese elementary school jazz band. Additionally, lip syncing is a big no-no in korea as far as I understand, but others would probably know more about that than me, since I basically know shit about shit as far as korean culture goes.

Granted, none of that actually makes them GOOD, per se, it's just disingenuous to say they aren't based on those particular performances. Others could probably point to performances that more directly showcase their actual talent.

As for the 90s boy/girl band era, well... I don't think that's entirely accurate. Pussycat Dolls is a better example in both substance and sound than any girl group from the 90s, and they are very clearly a product of the last decade.
 
Grinchy said:
Not if the argument is about which color is more complex to make.
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Get this video to any western label and ask if they can produce a performance like that. Its not something you do overnight. Basically, no one would be able to do it.

When i mean performance, i mean the whole package. Not just, being able to sing it, or to dance it. Have the homogenous top notch look, everything. It would be hard, close to impossible mission.
 
Slayven said:
I like Kpop, but I don't care for GG because 9 freaking people is too many in a group.
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AbortedWalrusFetus said:
Additionally, lip syncing is a big no-no in korea as far as I understand, but others would probably know more about that than me, since I basically know shit about shit as far as korean culture goes.
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Actually, many K-Pop acts Lip Sync. It's pretty common and accepted when it comes to groups that dance like SNSD. Though from time to time they'll sing live, especially when it comes to ballads. I'm pretty sure they sing live when they're in Japan though.

ChiTownBuffalo said:
You just compared Girls Generation to the Wu Tang Clan?

I am. Just. Gah.
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People do it all the time when it comes to pop groups with tons of members like SNSD or Morning Musume.
 
The Omega Man said:
No way this has happened, that would be too lol worthy and pathetic at the same time, I imagine them writing those pm's to you while crying at the same time that they are not Koreans and they want a korean girlfriend. LOL
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ChiTownBuffalo just shot himself in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about Korean culture (I'm an expert), but K-Pop and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like Japan where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over in Korea, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance. What this means is that Korea, after hearing about this, is not going to want to have anything to do with ChiTownBuffalo. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but ChiTownBufflao has alienated an entire culture with this move.

ChiTownBuffalo, publicly apologize and accept K-Pop or you can kiss your link to Korean culture goodbye.
 
I don't like this group either, but some people are really overreacting. Aside from them being an asian girl group, I don't see what's so different about this than western pop music.

And for what it's worth, they do have some catchy stuff, like Gee and Genie. I've been exposed to this shit enough to have some of those songs grow on me. My girlfriend listens to nothing else but kpop.
 
IAmtheFMan said:
Are you an expert? (I kid, I kid.). But you're pretty spot on.

Most of my younger cousins in Korea like some of the kpop bands but not nearly to the same fanaticism that I've seen on GAF and the internet, and they're the target demo (12-16.).
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See: MLP GAF.

Please don't kill me.
 
Red Blaster said:
ChiTownBuffalo just shot himself in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about Korean culture (I'm an expert), but K-Pop and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like Japan where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over in Korea, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance. What this means is that Korea, after hearing about this, is not going to want to have anything to do with ChiTownBuffalo. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but ChiTownBufflao has alienated an entire culture with this move.

ChiTownBuffalo, publicly apologize and accept K-Pop or you can kiss your link to Korean culture goodbye.
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I really only need Korean culture for food if it comes down to it.

And parts of my family are jopohks from Gyeongsando, so can't get worse than that.
 
Give up Dice, not worth it bro. If these people wanna shit talk about one specialised thread and not realise its nothing different to say the real pic thread, or fitness thread etc you are wasting your time
 
Slayven said:
When one of them can breakoff and put out a album at the level of "Return to the 36 Chambers" we can talk.
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Yeah there are a few above that level actually.

Tical, Supreme Clientele, OB4CL and even Fishscale are better. Oh and this girl band sucks. Spice Girls had a dope debut song. This shit aint on that level.
 
ChiTownBuffalo said:
But to address your thing about globalization, I think there is something about Koreans culture that is very isolationist. But it conflicts with our sorrow and inferiority coplex, where Korea seems to need the entire world to acknowledge them. The whole colonization thing, and China and Japan having a larger global presence through much of modern history, really did a number on the country's psyche. Korea wants it all, to be on the world stage, but to also be a little bit of the Hermit Kingdom.
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Being a bi-racial korean-american myself. I kinda find it funny how there are so many korean enclaves in America, and how they really don't integrate into American society that well. I'm not saying, that you have to eat apple pie and shit, but they're a little to bit enclosed and well ... segraged from the rest of the county,

And as for the biracialness, I'm proud of my heritage. But I am also extremely happy that I was born in America rather than Korea.
 
What is it about pop music in general that gets people all riled up? Like, we could have threads about superhero movies or crappy tv, and they don't attract nearly as much vitriol, even when they are far from the best of what their medium can offer. What is it about silly pop music that bothers people so much?

Also, as someone who consumes as much foreign pop-culture (from all over the place) as I do American stuff, I think the the whole "-eeaboo" label gets thrown around a bit too liberally. There's nothing odd or creepy about being interested in another country's music, movies, or tv shows.

It becomes a problem when you put on blinders to what else is out there, and start taking that other culture on as your own identity. Like, when you're making comments like this:

ChiTownBuffalo said:
"I know more about Korean culture than you. I have more Korean friends than you. I watch more K-drama than you do. YHou don't know a 10th about what's going on your own country than I do." etc. etc.
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You're just an asshole.
 
Salazar said:
It's an American (English language) version of the track.
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He wasn't talking about the language.

More and more Asian artists are buying tracks from Western producers. Most of it comes from Europe though, not America.
 
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