Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE

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Patryn said:
Well I'm sorry to say, that's what you did. Hope you enjoyed vaporizing the Geth!
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Yeah well when it came down to it, it seemed like the lesser of the evils.

By controlling the reapers I expect Shep, a singular person to continually monitor and control a force capable of fucking the galaxy. Too much chance.

By synthesizing I am forcing every creature in the galaxy to change what they are at a fundamental level. That doesnt feel kosher in any way. Not to mention that those cyber plants are probably going to kill off every sapient race now.

By destroying, yes I kill the Geth and Edi. It's a shame, a damn one, but I cant help but feel that their consensus would be that its the logical choice in the grand scheme. Not to mention that nothing is stopping their reconstruction, last time I checked there is tons of info on them at this point.

Edit: Especially if completely rebuilding a human is possible.
 
Zomba13 said:
I can see the blue and red space magic being radio signals pretty much except the relays still do explode and the destroy one (if it's the 'bad' version) does have things blowing up/igniting Earth's atmosphere.

Then there is the green space amgic that doesn't make any sense in any way unless it really is space magic.
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I think Earth atmosphere burning only happens on low EMS endings otherwise the soldiers and planet are fine. IIRC not all the Reapers start blowing up during the destroy ending that could be attributed to some repairs running repair protocols and as their systems crash so do the repairs causing the blow up. The radio signal also might explain why Joker is running in control and Destroy. EDI notified him of the effects and was trying to distance himself to save her. In the Charon relay when they jump signal is just going out and ruins their jump hence the lost world. I still haven't figured out a logical way to explain the synthesis ending in that context though and honestly I don't think I ever code that shit it still space magic.
 
The ending was surprisingly bad.

That being said, I think it had to end like that.
The reapers were set up to be enormously powerful and completely undefeatable from the get go.

This necessitated a Deus Ex Machina in order to give the game a "happy" ending. Unfortunately, DEMs almost always feel like a complete ass-pull. Biowares solution to this is to signal the arrival og the DEM (the Crucible) far ahead of time, and make activating it a painful process. Even then it is a bittersweet ending.

This should have given the ending the dramatic weight it needed despite only involving a "push button to win" scenario.

Unfortunately, Bioware crafted an ending that doesn't explain anything, doesn't change in any meaningful form based on the gamers choices, and doesn't make all that much sense.

Ironically this makes the ending seem like an ass pull after all.

I'll commend them for having the balls to make this story arc the final one. the Mass Effect saga ends with ME3, none of that "but he survived to be in the sequel" stuff.
 
You know what is funny with the whole crucible thing? The control option has clear controls, as in levers and such in the lightening which you grab hold of and the destroy option if you pretty much just shooting an important looking pipe. I mean, that can't be the right way to activate the 'destroy' function right? Wouldn't like, a button or something make more sense? And a man jumping into a beam somehow makes everything half synthetic half organic?

The control ending seems to be the only one that actually makes sense in the ending if it was real. I mean minus the magical teleporting squad and Joker being a coward... And the relays blowing up.
 
Don't you guys think that all those big choices, like the genophage or geth-quarian relations, while they feel grand and greatly important when making them, they ultimately amount to nothing at all other than the 'galaxy at war' meter going up. You don't see any real consequence other than that. And even if there was a sequel, it wouldn't be on PS360, so saves wouldn't matter and that's a shame.
 
Hela said:
Don't you guys think that all those big choices, like the genophage or geth-quarian relations, while they feel grand and greatly important when making them, they ultimately amount to nothing at all other than the 'galaxy at war' meter going up. You don't see any real consequence other than that. And even if there was a sequel, it wouldn't be on PS360, so saves wouldn't matter and that's a shame.
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But it would be on PC. Master PC race etc etc .....blah

Also, I think we all knew there would be a DEM ending, especially as we had the Crucible as our MacGuffin. What we didn't expect was that out DEM endings would be the same but different flavour explosions and that none of our choices would matter.

Lifejumper said:
Bioware employee pointing someone to a thread that SUPPORTS indoctrination theory?

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9872108&lf=8
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XZGHOxnCto

The 'trufax' answer is most likely that the guy didn't read the thread, saw that it 'explained' the ending to those who didn't get it (thought it was bad) and the BioWare guy doesn't want a million threads on the same topic flooding the board.
 
PsychoWARD23 said:
and.... here.....we......go!
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


Edit: Looked at the thread. It just seems like a common mod thing to do, meaning to close a dupe thread. People are reading too much into it.
 
All geth but Legion have decided to ally themselves with the Reapers. Legion is now at odds with its own kind while still trying to end the geth/quarian war. Legion asks you to help it infiltrate a geth server hub and "free" some of its people from Reaper indoctrination. You fight through geth protecting servers on Rannoch, then plugs into the virtual world of the geth consensus with Legion. You explore a virtual landscape that looks like an idealized version of Rannoch, while interacting with geth as individuals instead of faceless monsters. Legion directs them to the Reaper's influence, which takes the form of a corrupted looking environment. After cleansing the Reaper "infection", Legion transfers millions of geth programs into its own physical platform, saving them from indoctrination. You and Legion come out of the virtual world in time to fight off a geth prime and escape to the Normandy.
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The Prothean henchman accesses the artifact and goes into a trance while information is downloaded into his brain. But Shepard isn't the only one interested in this artifact -- Ash/Kaidan now steps out of the shadows accompanied by Kai Leng. With guns raised in a Mexican standoff, Shepard wants to know what the hell is going on. A/K says Udina has told her all about Shepard killing her partner on Eden Prime. Udina put her in touch with Kai Leng -- an Alliance intelligence operative who helped her track Shepard down. Kai Leng plays the role well, egging A/K on against Shepard (A/K has never seen Kai Leng before and doesn't know better).
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Kolyat has received word that, at the request of Donnel Udina, the Citadel Council will hold a critical vote in 24 hours that will abandon the hanar homeworld to the Reapers in the name of protecting other planets. He needs you to get to Udina, one way or the other. He brings in Kasumi (if alive) to help nab evidence from C-SEC headquarters he could use to blackmail Udina. You get in to C-SEC HQ, and finds the evidence being destroyed by a Cerberus double agent. Extracting the information from him, you discover that Udina is indoctrinated and will soon launch a coup d'état to overthrow the Citadel Council. You and Kolyat must now stop him through any means possible. Thane (if alive) is brought on board to assassinate Udina. Thane is weak from his disease, but is on heavy painkillers and determined to complete his last mission.
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You hear hate speech and misinformation coming from humans on the Citadel and traces it to a Charles Saracino, who is using the human-centric Terra Firma Party to put out Cerberus propaganda. After you turn the crowd against Saracino, Cerberus comes after you through people Shepard has helped on past missions. Working with Citadel reporter Emily Wong, you track the Cerberus assassins to a neighbourhood in the Wards where Cerberus has almost total control. (Roleplaying Plots 3 and 4)
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You track the hanar bomber's history to a Reaper base. You destroy the base, which contains noncombatant hanar as well as Reaper enemies. The hanar do not fight, but use consoles to lock doors and slow you down. You find evidence about which hanar on the Citadel are working for the Reapers.
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CUTSCENE: The Normandy docks to the command ship of the Asari fleet right after their defeat defending Thessia. The command ship is the Destiny Ascension if it was saved.

As punishment for breaking the neutrality pact, Cerberus launches an attack against Omega. The enemy is attempting to destroy Omega's shields, which will allow asteroids and meteors to smash into the station. You must repel the assault and ensure the shield remain operational.

Since their direct assault failed, Cerberus is now blockading Omega in an effort to starve it into submission. You must destroy the main Cerberus command ship responsible for the blockade.

You must journey to the other side of the Omega-4 relay to an old derelict ship and secure the "pirate loot" there. In the endgame, this will buy you the loyalty of Omega's criminal fleet.
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Commander. It is the memory of the cosmos. It has been a part of everything, it has remembered everything. It has seen the birth of stars. In my cycle it was as natural as breathing. Our scientists believed evolution was the only force in the galaxy that mattered. More than electricity, or gravity. The 'cosmic imperative' they called it. It became our doctrine: the strong would flourish, the weak would perish. (accusatory) The governments of your cycle seem concerned with ensuring everyone survives. With our 'talent', as you put it, our scientists would chart the cycles before our own. They discovered the one constant has been intelligence - be it machine or biologic - fighting to become something more. But in that anarchy, you would eliminate those who had nothing to offer. Evolution demands it. It demands the strong grow stronger by dominating the weak. It is for the greater good of all. (angry) There is still one Prothean left. They can become a resource of their own.
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everything is here:was there something about the ending in the leaked script?
 
Yeah, don't get too excited. He's just pointing to one of the major explanation threads for what COULD be going down, since the ending was not understood by the topic creator, and that hallucination theory is the major one going down right now on the BSN.

And here....we....go
 
Lifejumper said:
Bioware employee pointing someone to a thread that SUPPORTS indoctrination theory?

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9872108&lf=8
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I say again... i hope bioware doesnt end up saying this was a "fake"/indoctrinated ending. As bad as this shit was... i bought this game with the assumption shep´s story would have closure with the content on disk, to an ending, and not a mindfuck by bioware.

Ill throw a goddamned hissy fit of Seth Green is Chris Crocker proportions!

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Metroidvania said:
Yeah, don't get too excited. He's just pointing to one of the major explanation threads for what COULD be going down, since the ending was not understood by the topic creator, and that hallucination theory is the major one going down right now on the BSN.

And here....we....go
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Yeah, I really doubt that the indoctrination theory is what Bioware actually intended. They may embrace that segment of the community (because, as dumb as I think the theory is, theorycrafting is at least cool community stuff).
 
Lol, I have 120 posts in this topic and I finished ME3 on Sunday.

And yeah, Shep did shoot Anderson so he was, at the very least, under the influence of TIM.
 
lastplayed said:
Shepard did shoot Anderson right? He's being controlled partly at least.
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S/he gets controlled for a bit. You can see the darkness all around the screen, and the shot is fired, but once Shepard rejects TIM it all goes away. Meaning that s/he didn't get indoctrinated.



He rejected indoctrination . . . Oh man, indoctrination is just another term for instrumentality isn't it.
 
@ http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9861052

Damn, do people not get it? The ending is not terrible in a vacuum. But it has to do with the entire series leading up to this point. Like someone explained it's like the original Star Wars trilogy ending with 2001 Space Odyssey's ending. Yea, it's deep and you can read into it and interpret how you like, but nothing in this series is really a deep intellectual discussion of the state of our place in the galaxy. It's like the LOST ending, but at least LOST was about the deep philosophy of an individual and how religion ties with that belief.

Even how they marketed ME3, "TAKE BACK EARTH! FUCK YEA" and they end it with something that you have to interpret and reconcile with your own beliefs. It's nutty...

The ending of this series should not require paragraphs of interpretation...
 
I'm not going to read through 60+ pages of bitching because...well, it's a lot. But I want to know:

Do people agree that ME3 was good except for the ending?
 
Generic said:
I'm not going to read through 60+ pages of bitching because...well, it's a lot. But I want to know:

Do people agree that ME3 was good except for the ending?
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Hell yea, ME3 was so damn good. Which makes the end stand out even more.

But the end is extremely important, three games were leading up to it...
 
Generic said:
I'm not going to read through 60+ pages of bitching because...well, it's a lot. But I want to know:

Do people agree that ME3 was good except for the ending?
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I think it was mentioned like a page ago.

People like/love (the fuck out of) the game except for maybe the last 10 minutes.

Alucrid said:
We think the ending was great. The rest of the game was so-so.
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Missed opportunity. They should have started the game with the space magic sequence and then gone back to the present. Then the Gainax Ending would have been better.
 
Generic said:
I'm not going to read through 60+ pages of bitching because...well, it's a lot. But I want to know:

Do people agree that ME3 was good except for the ending?
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Yes. No one here is saying the game sucks and more are saying it's very good 99% of the time (1% being the ending)
 
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