I found this really stupid, I just couldn't see TIM becoming indoctrinated. He seemed smarter than this.
Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE
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I found this really stupid, I just couldn't see TIM becoming indoctrinated. He seemed smarter than this.
If only sarcasm was edible. Garrus would feast like a king in the new world.
Making the HUGE assumption that this is true, it's possible that any "Conclusion" DLC will find some means of incorporating the choices that players make.
Psychoward
Banned
He was.
And then ME3 happened.
Why is Cerberus attacking you?
Uh, hurr durr everyone's indoctrinated
I miss the days when publishers sold complete games on the first day.
See, I think the toaster becomes organic regardless of the presence of a CPU (or something similar) because the god damn trees turned into cyborgs.
If he's synthetic he won't have to worry about it.
Thinking of the black screen/tendrils reminds me of Alan Wake, and that alone gives me nightmares . . . of DLC.
That would be awesome.
In my dreams.
You guys are seriously digging too much into this.
BannedEpisode
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I went with the secret indoctrination paragon option and destroyed the reapers.
Dacon
Banned
Idk if I want a happy ending, but I agree with this.
I put so much work into the game and I got was this random nonsensical ending where shepard talks to the miracle machine and for some reason has to die for it to work oh and liara somehow got on the normandy and what happened to garrus and the citadel people and fnioqw bg3tj3[5
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the game went full retard on me man
It's worse because I was really loving it up to the end, it's like suddenly getting a limp dick in the middle of awesome sex
dragonelite
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I miss the day when the only cutscene was before or after a level. Not 300 cutscene through out a level ;p
That was my motivation back then when i was 6 or 8 years old with my broken english. just marveling at those cutscenes.
Now i feel those cutscene take me out of the game again a moment i loose control over my adventure.
The Anti-Monitor
Banned
Didn't he have the indoctrinated eyes back in ME2? Or he simply had glowy blue eyes cause of his swag?
Well, Turians had a good run.
Infinite Justice
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He had glowy eyes day one.
Zomba13
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There is a flag in the save files for whether Shep dies in a blaze of glory or lives to fight another day. They could track that.
PsychoSoldier
Banned
That's a pretty weird ending.....
Equus Bellator Apex
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So let me get this straight Bioware are the Reapers and we are Shepard.
They're trying to convince us the indocternation theory is real.
They're trying to convince us the indocternation theory is real.
Chiggs
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LOL, my bad.
The same flag is in ME2. They are so lazy that it's probably some code from ME2 left in there. In my save I died to become green magic space dust and the flag says I live to fight again.
mercenar1e
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Unless you're Tim Tebow!
MisterNugNug
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Freeza Under The Shower
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there is a 'door VI' in the game. Must be one pissed off door after synthesis. Also: your fish are now fused with the aquarium VI. The horror.
BannedEpisode
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Better hope they develop a food replicator for any option besides synthesis I guess.
On a somewhat unrelated note, am I really the only one who found the synthesis option to be incredibly unethical and messed up? Sure some people would be fine with it but its a pretty big decision to force every organism in the galaxy to change what they are isnt it?
Well when it turns out that the control and synthesis endings were both the hallucination results of Shep being indoctrinated into helping the reapers I'll be vindicated.
My biggest problem with the ending is really that it just seems like it belongs in a totally different series. If you pull a god-child space magic ending with a Final Fantasy game or some JRPG series where stuff like this makes sense, it wouldn't be particularly bad depending on how it is presented. But Mass Effect started out as a scifi space opera story, and for the most part it continues that way. It is about humanity and all of the galaxy rallying together and setting aside their differences to face the ultimate alien invasion. That is the tone set by all three games, and the expectations of the fans.
To conclude it with the kind of stuff you find in a completely different series is kinda stupid. To add that along with the ultimate Bioware style EXTREME CHOICE bullshit where you decide the FATE OF THE UNIVERSE in 3 different but totally generalized ways is just retarded. The lack of any sort of epilogue is also disappointing, considering how much time and effort they put into detailing the character relations in all the games and putting all sorts of neat details in the various flavor text.
I'm sure Bioware thought they were being smart, but there's a very good reason why the ending doesn't work given the context of the series. It really doesn't make any fucking sense.
To conclude it with the kind of stuff you find in a completely different series is kinda stupid. To add that along with the ultimate Bioware style EXTREME CHOICE bullshit where you decide the FATE OF THE UNIVERSE in 3 different but totally generalized ways is just retarded. The lack of any sort of epilogue is also disappointing, considering how much time and effort they put into detailing the character relations in all the games and putting all sorts of neat details in the various flavor text.
I'm sure Bioware thought they were being smart, but there's a very good reason why the ending doesn't work given the context of the series. It really doesn't make any fucking sense.
razgriz417
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Anti-ending, pro-indoctrination here. I want my Red pill!
Pollux
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Make this happen.
No, it's delusional fans who created the theory who are trying to make BW accept their indoctrinated asses.
So if the whole indoctrination troll is real and they do have something else planned, it would possibly work out well I guess?
The way I see it playing out if true is Shep would be indoctrinated from the moment s/he got fried by Harbinger, after that all of much of what occurred was a hallucination, especially after Anderson dies and Shep gets lifted on the platform.
So when it comes to the three endings, Destroy would be the correct one to make because of the "secret" ending with Shep still alive. This would be since everything is happening in Shep's head, both Merge and Control could be seen as giving in to the Reapers.
Merge in this sense could be the worst because Shepard is most actively working with the Reapers to "merge" everyone together, but in reality is simply aiding the Reapers in harvesting everyone and adding them into the Reaper collective conscious.
Control then is probably much like its shown in the game, but Shepard cant control the Reapers because s/he is actually indoctrinated and instead of controlling the Reapers the complete opposite occurs and he/she is turned into another Husk with all remnants of Shepard being erased.
Destroy then is the only good ending choice because as the Catalyst points out Shepard him/herself is part synthetic, ie Reaper. So in Destroying everything Shepard is thus destroying the Reaper part of his/her conscious, breaking their control and no longer being indoctrinated.
This is why only the Destroy ending has the clip of Shepard still being shown alive in an area that appears to be on earth, because Shepard has broken the Reaper's hold on his/her mind and has returned to reality, which is still back on earth.
The way I see it playing out if true is Shep would be indoctrinated from the moment s/he got fried by Harbinger, after that all of much of what occurred was a hallucination, especially after Anderson dies and Shep gets lifted on the platform.
So when it comes to the three endings, Destroy would be the correct one to make because of the "secret" ending with Shep still alive. This would be since everything is happening in Shep's head, both Merge and Control could be seen as giving in to the Reapers.
Merge in this sense could be the worst because Shepard is most actively working with the Reapers to "merge" everyone together, but in reality is simply aiding the Reapers in harvesting everyone and adding them into the Reaper collective conscious.
Control then is probably much like its shown in the game, but Shepard cant control the Reapers because s/he is actually indoctrinated and instead of controlling the Reapers the complete opposite occurs and he/she is turned into another Husk with all remnants of Shepard being erased.
Destroy then is the only good ending choice because as the Catalyst points out Shepard him/herself is part synthetic, ie Reaper. So in Destroying everything Shepard is thus destroying the Reaper part of his/her conscious, breaking their control and no longer being indoctrinated.
This is why only the Destroy ending has the clip of Shepard still being shown alive in an area that appears to be on earth, because Shepard has broken the Reaper's hold on his/her mind and has returned to reality, which is still back on earth.
Zomba13
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BigJonsson
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Mass Effect - Reloaded
I mean there were nods to Star Wars and other movies, the ending was all Matrix lol
Ugh, I can't remember the other ones now, someone list them
I mean there were nods to Star Wars and other movies, the ending was all Matrix lol
Ugh, I can't remember the other ones now, someone list them
I can't stop laughing.
There's nothing ethical about any of these endings. And I hope you're not vindicated.
Let me get this straight: Bioware's Twitter account has been toying with its followers the entire day, a BSN community manager linked to the indoctrination thread, and Plinkett plans on doing a Mass Effect 3 review? The ending has provided more entertainment than I originally expected.
All of the non-NG+ ME3 saves are flagged as "Not Finished." The end game state has likely been carried from the ME2 save template.
All of the non-NG+ ME3 saves are flagged as "Not Finished." The end game state has likely been carried from the ME2 save template.
Zomba13
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About fucking time someone agrees with me!
It really is fucked up forcibly rewriting the galaxies genetic code without giving a single being the choice. Obviously some would go for it (EDI, maybe Joker to have stronger bones) but making that choice for everything is really fucked up.
Not true. My ME2/ME1 import is listed as LivedToFightAgain
Psychoward
Banned
So there's a poll about the ending on G4's website.
As of this posting, only 3.3% like it.
To be fair, 7.8% are indifferent and 13.9% haven't beaten it yet.
74.9% dislike the ending.
That's...... a lot.
http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/
Scroll down, it's near the bottom on the right.
As of this posting, only 3.3% like it.
To be fair, 7.8% are indifferent and 13.9% haven't beaten it yet.
74.9% dislike the ending.
That's...... a lot.
http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/
Scroll down, it's near the bottom on the right.
BannedEpisode
Member
I realize that completely.
I just see the destruction path as the lesser of the evils by a large margin.
It's not any more ethical than being turned into pulp or controlling those who have been turned into those machines.
In a way it's like ending the suffering of those who have died in the previous cycles. But once they became Reapers they seemed fine with killing everyone else.
I don't think there is an evil or non-evil choice.
I said something similar before but it seems like they tried do to a Megaten style ending but it didn't fit with the lore of the series nor did they set it up properly. In a Megaten game you know early on you will decide the fate of the world with some magical entity but it works with the lore of the series. You also know about the choice you will have to make before the end and you meet all the people tied to every options that explains their view. You also get to see the result of your choice.
BigJonsson
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I played the game and decided against allowing any genocide to take place, I guess the synthesis option does mesh with that theme built up throughout the game
Save the Krogan
Save the Geth and Quarians
Creator vs Created
Uplifer vs uplifted
etc...
Save the Krogan
Save the Geth and Quarians
Creator vs Created
Uplifer vs uplifted
etc...
PsychoSoldier
Banned
I think most people would prefer to have their genetic code rewritten rather than have their entire race wiped out.
Zomba13
Member
I really want to know where the fuck this 'closure' is in the ending. I read some people finding it. Did they get a different copy of the game to me? Is my PC version broke because of Origin?
The possible "solutions" presented to you are all bullshit. It's just bad writing. The right human choice would be to punch the boy-god in the face and tell him that "chaos" is not a problem, hence it does not need a solution. Shepard actually going along with the entire thing is really illogical and stupid.
Jake Tower
Banned
I do!
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