jakershaker
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Well that really depends on how you interpret the catalyst.
Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE
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Well that really depends on how you interpret the catalyst.
Yeah. Sure they're preserved, but it's more accurate to say that they're transformed. It's very clear that this is a conversion process, and they're basically the equivalent of borg once the process is complete. Except with no hope of free will (as their parameters has been completely set to whatever it is the reaper race values) and there is no hope of returning them to how they once were.
They're little more than the substance of races that have been broken down into paste creating a reaper with that races unique attributes.
Better off dead.
And Tycho's response to the criticism is inane. 'So what if the ending sucked? That only makes sense if you consider the ending to be the end, and not all of Mass Effect 3 to be the ending'.
You have a lot of thread to catch up on homie. It's cool though you're going to start feeling worse and worse about it as time goes on.
check out that 5 stages of grief picture in the image collection that was linked recently, it pretty much dictates what you'll be going through.
The ending was absolutely terrible.
So the Protheans and all the other races who built the Crucible, bit by bit, didn't think to come up with an automatic- or remote firing scheme for the device?
And why the (apologies for the bad language) fuck would the device have three options for whoever was going to fire the thing? I mean, I'm pretty sure the idea was always to destroy the reapers and not present a video-game series of choices for someone who, hey! might happen to think it would be a cool idea to control the reapers.
I don't mind Shepard dying. It's just BioWare came up with the most hackneyed, overwrought conclusion for its trilogy.
Oh, and by the way: It's pretty stupid to show the crewmembers on some distant planet at the end of the game when you've already established they were on Earth saying goodbye to Shephard. I guess the Normandy had time to swing back and pick up the crew because ...
(Oh, and the game showed Ashley on the planet ... in my playthrough she died before she got to the beam to the Citadel.)
This was just sloppy and insulting.
So the Protheans and all the other races who built the Crucible, bit by bit, didn't think to come up with an automatic- or remote firing scheme for the device?
And why the (apologies for the bad language) fuck would the device have three options for whoever was going to fire the thing? I mean, I'm pretty sure the idea was always to destroy the reapers and not present a video-game series of choices for someone who, hey! might happen to think it would be a cool idea to control the reapers.
I don't mind Shepard dying. It's just BioWare came up with the most hackneyed, overwrought conclusion for its trilogy.
Oh, and by the way: It's pretty stupid to show the crewmembers on some distant planet at the end of the game when you've already established they were on Earth saying goodbye to Shephard. I guess the Normandy had time to swing back and pick up the crew because ...
(Oh, and the game showed Ashley on the planet ... in my playthrough she died before she got to the beam to the Citadel.)
This was just sloppy and insulting.
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SpectreFire
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Imagine when those OT people finish the game, this place is only going to grow stronger.
I still don't understand why Fleet Strength would affect the ending. Whatever I do, Hammer will ALWAYS be decimated at the end. What's the point?
I love how as more and more people beat the game, they just flood into this thread.
Ah the pre-spoiler thread. It was a simpler time.
"Sometimes the good choice is not the right choice" - Commander Shepard
This pains you, Shepard.
Empty Space
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I've actually mostly avoided the OT, because I don't think I could resist making snide comments in it. I knew it would get me banned.
That's sort of how I feel. What's the point when it all ends in such ruin? I wouldn't have minded Shepard dying. I desperately wanted her to survive, go through a much needed mental breakdown, and live happily ever after, but she reached the end of her line.
But everything after the Shepard Anderson scene just ruins the universe and whatever future potential it might have had. I mean what's the point of even speculating about it, or reading/playing prequel material. It all ends in ash, or, depending on the ending, is completely enigmatic and unrecognizable.
And really? That just leaves me feeling empty and cold to the whole thing.
SpectreFire
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Hilarious discussion about the ending on the Giantbombcast.
Jeff: To be fair, I don't think the ending's great. But the things they would have to do to correct it, would require them to change so many things along the way, that this notion of people going like "they need to make a better ending" is insane to me.
Vinny: What if they just took Shepard, and have him shit in his hands, and throw it at the camera.
Jeff: That would be, okay. Yeah.
Vinny: That'd be a better ending?
Jeff: That'd be more honest.
Jeff: To be fair, I don't think the ending's great. But the things they would have to do to correct it, would require them to change so many things along the way, that this notion of people going like "they need to make a better ending" is insane to me.
Vinny: What if they just took Shepard, and have him shit in his hands, and throw it at the camera.
Jeff: That would be, okay. Yeah.
Vinny: That'd be a better ending?
Jeff: That'd be more honest.
I'm still kind of "meh" at the ending, but I love all the madness it has spawned. It's much more interesting to follow than speculation on the ending itself. Marauder Shields is best so far. Game don't have a final boss? Well, we'll elevate this generic enemy you shoot at the end to mythical status! Glorious.
I still wanted to beat up Harbinger either with guns or verbally in this game. My longshot prediction, really, was that the game would end with Shepard doing a Heavy Melee to something on Harbinger that Harbinger would really rather not see broken, like his brain or similar flashing weakspots.
"Beat up Harbinger DLC: $10!" I would be tempted...
I still wanted to beat up Harbinger either with guns or verbally in this game. My longshot prediction, really, was that the game would end with Shepard doing a Heavy Melee to something on Harbinger that Harbinger would really rather not see broken, like his brain or similar flashing weakspots.
"Beat up Harbinger DLC: $10!" I would be tempted...
jakershaker
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In this case it is though.
Why destroy that information. That would make the cycles even more worthless. And the catalyst was saying that the reapersolution would work until something changed, which Shepard reaching the Catalyst is. But all this depends on how that information could be used/integrated again which leads to the synthesis ending.
I'm not defending the endings(I would have preferred something happy tbh) but with a little SPECULATION the synthesis ending kind of works(if the genetic information in the reapers gets added to the mix). This would preserve all biological and synthetic information while breaking the limitations of the cycle.
alysonwheel
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God yes, Borg problem in spades: if what's inside the Reapers is the sum of the consciousness of all the "harvested" species, why do they apparently have no problem inflicting terrible pain on the living? Hell, Harbinger seemed actively to get off on it. Not to mention they cause the deaths of however many million people who don't get to be processed and live on in their artificial heaven.
So whatever's inside the Reapers, it's far enough removed from what it originally was to be something totally different, and that totally different something is a fucking monster. Burn 'em.
Edit: also gives the lie to the starchild claiming the Repears "preserve" organics. They keep their DNA on file, maybe, but the kid's basically claiming that killing everyone but keeping their corpses in a big freezer is totes okay because he's got their corpses in a big freezer.
Because they are no longer who they were. That's something Bioware didn't get. Our individuality as organic species IS NOT preserved whatsoever in Reaper form. Our fleshy, easily injured body, our contradictory mind, and our ability to love and hate are no longer there. Whatever identity they used to have is no longer there. It's like an empty shell ready to be controlled by the Reapers anytime ("Assuming direct control, etc, etc"). I'd say it's more like mercy killing to eliminate these 'creatures'.
jakershaker
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Of course. From a biological standpoint that's kind of irrelevant though. Information is genetic information which is probably what the reaper could have preserved. Not as good as the real thing, perhaps, but still worth a lot. And the reaper was a temporary solution, not a perfect one.
well, it does preserve them while they're consciously aware of being dissolved alive with their friends and loved ones in a series of giant tubes, so maybe thats why the reapers are a tad violence prone.
I thought that the humans were running the show on the Citadel at the end of ME2.... Then in ME3 it seems like they dont even matter.
oh, and Bioware since I know you are reading this, can we get a title update that allows us to throw a grenade into the vent with the little kid at the beginning of the game? ty.
oh, and Bioware since I know you are reading this, can we get a title update that allows us to throw a grenade into the vent with the little kid at the beginning of the game? ty.
There's not much very temporary about the reaper form. It's not like you can crack the shell, sprinkle a little water on it, and watch people pop out. Synthesis is still only merging the reaper form. There would be a million better methods to preserving the biological information (and more!) than converting thousands of people into paste, brutally, and brutally murdering everyone else (and apparently the reapers have no interest in preserving every race, just whichever happens to be their favorite of the cycle).
For whom though? There's no one left after the Reaper is done except the new, not-yet-evolved species who can't use the information. And it's not like the Reapers are going to rebuild the organics somewhere in near future.
And since the molecular structure of each species has been changed a lot when they are converted into Reaper form, there's not much to observe. When you intend on preserving something, you usually let that species to do whatever it wants in a controlled habitat (ie. wild birds in Reserve Park) without interference. This is not even that.
This.
finowns
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LOL. Now I have to go listen to it.
Even though the ending is absolute trash the space battle was pretty cool.
Was Mac Walters the lead writer for ME1? edit -- Actually the writing was not bad just the ending.
No, Drew Karpyshyn was iirc. ME2 was Walters + Karpyshyn. ME3 . . .
lastplayed
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Day fucking one.
jakershaker
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Well according to the vague explanations from the catalyst they are preserved for some event in the future. When the cycles can be broken or something else changes. Shepard is this change. If that means a new similar solution is needed or that information somehow can be used for the good of the universe who knows.
But having a big genetic database doesn't do you any good if you can't use the information.
The species DNA doesn't have to change at all when converted into reaper form. How would one even know that. Extracting and preserving DNA is something we can do now so I think they would have a even better solution in some scifi future.
Preserving something in a controlled habitat doesn't preserve genetic variation. Interference or not. On a big scale like the reapers are doing it compressing the information could be the best solution. The problem would be accessing and using that info.
Terra Firma
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Holy crap, I lost it when I read the Origin requirement.
It would have been cool to have a Reaper who defected, but I guess the Catalyst/Code prevents that from happening.
I see their condescending nature as that of any species who feels superior, so it's not shocking to me that they would be dicks.
Empty Space
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LOL the ESRB rating is the best.
Yeah the videogame example was in the same interview. It exists as a fiction within the ME fiction. Would just allow them to put in little gags/advertising, like the final fantasy poster in Deus ex: human rev.
Origins is powered by the devil. :lol
alysonwheel
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I still want to know what the hell was going on with Harbinger. Is constructing a new Reaper before the harvesting really gets going standard practice? Or did it go behind the other Reapers' backs to create a new protege? If the Citadel is the place where new Reapers are normally formed (which it may or may not be, but it would make sense as it's full of high technology and liquefied people, and big enough to contain several Sovereign-sized Reapers within its arms) then why build one in a galactic backwater?
I kind of want the whole thing at the end of ME3 to be Harbinger using Shepard to kill all the other Reapers so it can have the galaxy to itself, and then when Shep breaks free of its indoctrination by choosing whichever colour is appropriate the "true" ending is to gather everyone up one last time, hunt Harbinger down, and put the fucker on a spike.
I kind of want the whole thing at the end of ME3 to be Harbinger using Shepard to kill all the other Reapers so it can have the galaxy to itself, and then when Shep breaks free of its indoctrination by choosing whichever colour is appropriate the "true" ending is to gather everyone up one last time, hunt Harbinger down, and put the fucker on a spike.
yeah, its a good thing the catalyst is around to keep all the independent reapers in line.
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Lol. And the No star childhood.
Still no word from Bioware, or updates on the half-finished movie from Bigjiantrobut. I am disappoint.
It's all speculation at this point. Harbinger was essentially sidelined for a more emotionally-connecting human experience, hallmarked by the human child.
More people hate the kid than Harbinger.
firehawk12
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What does the Marauder Shields meme mean?
They're doing this every 50K years. At this rate, it'd be God knows when that this vague 'event' will happen. Which is why I question Shepard's sanity for not even questioning this at all.
ME2 via EDI pretty much confirmed that the Collector's DNA while sharing some similarity to the Protheans, is still quite different. Maybe the Reaper can subtract what was added into the DNA of the original species but even then, there's no guarantee that if they were to 'restore' these species in the future (assuming they're not lying in the first place) that they'd obtain similar result as the original version. I mean, the Reaper version of each species are so fugly. If the Reapers are as good in their DNA mixing, one would think they can create better-looking creatures.
I fail to see why this is a problem. Because if one puts enough variety in the controlled habitat, eventually through process of cross-breeding, genetic variation will be achieved. Actually, genetic variation does not even require intervention because sometimes it just appears as part of the evolution process.
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Empty Space
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I really hope that when the Omega DLC comes out we meet a Turian name Lt. Shields or something like that. Its by far the best thing to come out of this besides the ending itself.
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