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Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE
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To quote @paperghost:
Sorry, you CAN be criticized:
Sorry, you can't criticize:
Being assholes doesn't make you right.
LAUGHTREY
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It's established that ramming a meteor into a relay blows it up, not that a self destruct type thing will fuck it up.
I can pick and choose what parts I want to point out to back up my argument too.
I was wrong about the Charon relays position, still, if that exploded, wouldn't Shepard be vaporized in the destroy ending?
I was probably coming off stronger than I initially intended because of how it was completely disregarded.
Though now that I think about it, it's worth posting the scene from Arrival for contrast's sake with what happened in the ending.
yup, I don't hate the ending but you guys here and the BSN forums made many good points that I agree with. Some people in the gaming media blindly defending Bioware from raging fans is also misguided.
WrenchNinja
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The consequences of destroying a mass relay are immense: as a huge mass effect engine manipulating massive quantities of energy, a relay could produce an explosion of supernova proportions.
"could" not will
heliosRAzi
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Instead of arguing whether or not they will explode, let's argue about whether or not Bioware had any idea of what they were doing when they thought about that
INDOCTRINATION THEORY
That we know is crap. Fuck, Bioware was just making it up while they went, makes sense that logic goes out the window.
Especially since he doesn't die in the "best" ending anyway, but oh well It makes a funnier web comic that way.
bengraven
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The mass relay explosion doesn't bother me. The asteroid was a massive force that slammed into it, the inertia alone may have sent out a wave of whateverthefuckforce.
The RGB lights seemed to more in on control, much less chaotic and they seemed to "dismantle" them more than just blew them up.
The RGB lights seemed to more in on control, much less chaotic and they seemed to "dismantle" them more than just blew them up.
LumpOfCole
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Yep:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5VXN72CZbA
Watch in 720p. Beyond the blue electro-sheen of the plants, you see "circuitry" in the plants. It's space magic retardation but there it is.
The shockwaves shown going to earth is from the crucible - which only affects the reapers. That "energy" is then directed at the mass relays to go to every system and affect every other reaper in the galaxy. Once that "energy" from the crucible passes through a relay, it appears the relay gets overwhelmed (since it is reaper technology), and gets destroyed.
The shockwave that we see joker flying away from is of the mass relay explosion, not the energy shockwave emitted from the crucible.
That may actually reinforce my theory. The energy is used to perform a specific function in the ending, it even looks like the glow of the element zero core diminished before the relay exploded, versus the Arrival DLC where it was still there then exploded outwards. The explosions look different too if you compare them.
I honestly do suspect that's the most probable reason, but I'd like to apply some semblance of logic here, and it seems primarily an issue of how the energy's released.
Bioware clearly didn't think of consistency with the lore. Their lead writer does not even read the Codex of the game, nor remembers the themes of the entire series.
Legion does what BioWaredon't:
I can't recall this part of the game. When does it take place? Shepard should have showed it to Vent God/Space Kid.
I'd say it was forgotten.
Fans too often assume developers know everything within the canon and are aware of it at all times.
Empty Space
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I liked that the mass relays explodes. It creates a lot of consequences for the galaxy. What I don't like was that it was pretty much the only option. I actually expected a generic Hollywood style ending as one of the options, where the reapers were destroyed, everyone lives happy and goes back home but the question of where the reapers came from still lingers. What I got instead was a lot worse.
jakershaker
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I swear the "universe explodes" theory is as crazy as the indoctrination one.
We need more people in the acceptance phase of mourning.
We need more people in the acceptance phase of mourning.
Like I said earlier (after many edits): Executor Pallin dying during the Citadel battle in ME1 (this was a cut scene, but Chellick was his replacement during ME2), then dying by the hands of Bailey (after ME2 in Mass Effect: Inquisition, when he is somehow Executor again), then dying by the hands of Cerberus in ME3.
Bioware doesn't keep track of anything they put out. I'd love for someone to make a list similar to what happened with Mass Effect: Deception.
Funny quote from Walters:
"Walters touched on the massive undertaking even keeping track of all the game's stories is when describing a recent tour of the Bioware offices for European press. "I was showing them one of the tools we have where we track all the states. I was able to fill a screen with just one of the plots from 'Mass Effect 2.' Of course, now we're on 'Mass Effect 3,' we're tracking all the states from all the plots in 1 and 2 and going forward," the writer told CBR News. "It's just so complicated. Eventually, we're going to make a mistake, we're not going to be able to cover everything -- and it is such a big world, too. It's a big world so you want to do everything, but you can't please everyone all the time."
Riposte
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Text looks kind of fake.
Hahaha, would Legion really caress her head like that? So life-like.
WrenchNinja
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Trying to get any semblance of logic out of the ending is a pointless endeavor when we know Bioware did not give a fuck.
Considering the background seems to be the geth base you blow up in ME2...
Sol still has a relay.
Rebel Leader
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I dunno, I don't know what is canon. I never got the scene.
You can generally bet on the fact that a fan cares far more about a franchise than the writer ever does. The fan will also generally be far more informed.
Just to point out because I assume some just don't know, there is only one Solar System, that is the one we are in, the Sun in latin is Sol, Solar meaning related to hence Solar System.
I would disagree, the ending wasn't that good but the aim was very much to set up more games and an overarching story behind everything (origins DLC also alludes to more going on behind the scenes) and the ending and was very much inline with how the rest of the game played out.
I would disagree, the ending wasn't that good but the aim was very much to set up more games and an overarching story behind everything (origins DLC also alludes to more going on behind the scenes) and the ending and was very much inline with how the rest of the game played out.
I know. So much great suff in the game and the last impression your left with is the awful ending. It's not even divisive, eveybody thinks it's shit.
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Skiped denial .....Still in Rage phase (with less rage due to the golden posts)... Never gonna move
Oh, many of us think it's crazy. It's just that based on what Bioware has shown to us throughout the entire trilogy, Mass Relays exploding = bad shit happening. They provide us no reason to think this is a different explosion than what we have seen from our previous experience. Therefore it is possible to infer, based on evidence, that these explosions have the same consequences as the ones we've been taught about earlier.
Luckily for the story, it's so batshit crazy to assume that every relay system is annihilated, so we automatically assume the Bioware writers aren't complete retards and just overlooked a pretty important detail.
heliosRAzi
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I'm in the speculation phase
Exactly. Just like with the indoctrination theory, I can totally attribute the galactic destruction theory to Bioware's laziness
The Citadel itself IS a Mass Relay, so I'd assume when it's destroyed it'd act the same as any other Mass Relay. The Joker bit is the bigger question though, I'm guessing he was mid jump or something at the time.
I dunno, if it always existed in the codex as just that that's what I'd think, but when it's the central point of a DLC that keeps being brought up in the main game they'd REALLY have to be absent minded to never pause and go "wait a second, we had a DLC covering this."
jakershaker
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Bargaining is the fun one.
ElectricBlue187
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Well not everything would be destroyed. Those planets far away from relays or in another solar system would be ok
indoctrinated phase here
Probably.
LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE.
Keep in mind, this is a company that had a sole survivor Shepard work with Cerberus, while never allowing the player to bring up the fact that Cerberus was responsible for killing her entire squad.
Rebel Leader
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in which all other phases branch from
Regardless of what phase you are in... You began in speculation
5 Reasons The Fans Are Right
This needs to be stickied at the top of every page so people start reading it and get a better understanding of why so many of us are pissed off. Its very well-written and makes excellent points better than most of us can in this thread.
This needs to be stickied at the top of every page so people start reading it and get a better understanding of why so many of us are pissed off. Its very well-written and makes excellent points better than most of us can in this thread.
heliosRAzi
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Just as Lord Walters intended.
As well as Admiral Kahoku.
LumpOfCole
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DA2's ending shirks character development and introduces incredibly silly anime swords, but it still ends up with something very interesting and gives good potential for the future of the franchise that deviates from the boring-as-fuck Darkspawn - that is, a war between mages and templars.
ME3's ending goes "The Mass Effect 3 universe and mass relays? Fuck you, universe is screwed and the relays are destroyed. Good luck expecting a sequel, fuckers."
ME3's ending goes "The Mass Effect 3 universe and mass relays? Fuck you, universe is screwed and the relays are destroyed. Good luck expecting a sequel, fuckers."
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Wait... What in the hell?
Empty Space
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It's probably worth noting the Final Hours app also has comments about the Mass Effect universe being thrown into galactic dark age. Nothing is expanded on it but those words are used to describe things post ME3. I would say that's good evidence for the relays going boom and killing people in their respective system.
I feel now is the right time to post this image again.
I feel now is the right time to post this image again.
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