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[Bisnic]

Sounds like Bioware isn't interested. EA, on the other hand....



You can direct your slaps at Mac Walters.

They probably do not want to make another after what happened this week. Or if they do, they will find another writer(DO IT).

 

[heliosRAzi]

Yeah, I wish the OP was updated, I don't know anything really. Why there are three endings but I only had the choice of two, how much multiplayer is required to see smokey shep at the end etc. That stuff should really have been updated.

You didn't have a high enough EMS to get the third ending. Multiplayer is not required to get the "best" ending.

It really doesn't matter since all of the endings are the same except for different colors, so you're not missing much.

 

[Moofers]

My feeling is that regardless what version of the ending you get they all seem so mean spirited towards the fanbase. I just don't understand where that comes from, and why Mac fucking Walters and the other people at Bioware either didn't see that or felt that it was warranted. I still cant glean any real meaning behind the ending, and it seems no real surprise as the ipad app indicates that there is none.

Well said. Its like a big "fuck you" to all of us on top of not making any damn sense and ignoring our expectations for choices that don't lead to the same conclusion.

 

[Sojgat]

I got a question for the native English speaking people: Is it really normal to call your grandkid/son "MY SWEET"? It sounds so incredibly creepy whenever I hear it or try to say it aloud.

No it's a totaly normal way to speak, if your the old pedo from Family Guy.

 

[Cpt.Underpants]

Tali kills herself in some people's game? What the hell? She did the final run with me and Liara in my game.

Paragon/Renegade choices during Tali's trial

Paragon/Renegade choices during Legion and Tali argument

Rescue Admiral Quib Quib first, ignore his pleas to rescue his people

Help with Legions quest first then destrop the Reaper base quest

 

[enzo_gt]

Can someone explain to me everything Harbringer in this game? I think every appearance or mention went completely over my head. Or he wasn't even there. Where the fuck was he?

 

[Patryn]

If you don't have enough reputation points to solve the Geth/Quarian conflict, I think she does?

There's a point system in play for the Geth/Quarian conflict. Between ME2 and ME3, there are 7 possible points, and you need at least 5 to achieve peace.

If you're unable to get peace, you have to pick between the Geth and the Quarians. If you side with the Geth, they destroy the Quarian Fleet, and Tali throws herself off the cliff in despair.

Legion dies either way. He either sacrifices himself evolving the Geth or Tali shoots him.

Can someone explain to me everything Harbringer in this game? I think every appearance or mention went completely over my head. Or he wasn't even there. Where the fuck was he?

They dying Destroyer on Rannoch mentions him, and then he shows up at the end of the game to blast you as you're running to the Conduit. He has no lines.

From what's been reported, the VA was unavailable.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

woah

hold on


penny arcade took bioware's side in something, and mocked everyone else????


slow down i'm having trouble processing this

 

[Cpt.Underpants]

Can someone explain to me everything Harbringer in this game? I think every appearance or mention went completely over my head. Or he wasn't even there. Where the fuck was he?

My only experience with Harbinger was when we were storming the giant teleporter and the Rannoch mission, thats pretty much it

 

[Sojgat]

Reall old people (like buzz aldrin) say it sometimes.

To little girls maybe. I can see a grandmother saying it to a boy.

 

[rvy]

There's a point system in play for the Geth/Quarian conflict. Between ME2 and ME3, there are 7 possible points, and you need at least 5 to achieve peace.

If you're unable to get peace, you have to pick between the Geth and the Quarians. If you side with the Geth, they destroy the Quarian Fleet, and Tali throws herself off the cliff in despair.

Legion dies either way. He either sacrifices himself evolving the Geth or Tali shoots him.

Thanks for clearing it up.

 

[Lime]

Can someone explain to me everything Harbringer in this game? I think every appearance or mention went completely over my head. Or he wasn't even there. Where the fuck was he?

He is the Reaper landing when you are running towards the beam. He doesn't say anything, but he is responsible for blowing up your shit. Afterwards he flies away and let Marauder Shields guard the beam.

 

[LiK]

woah

hold on


penny arcade took bioware's side in something, and mocked everyone else????


slow down i'm having trouble processing this

Kuchera Effect

 

[Metroid-Squadron]

I liked the endings.

lol @ all the whining.

 

[Patryn]

I liked the endings.

lol @ all the whining.

Thanks for contributing!

 

[heliosRAzi]

He is the Reaper landing when you are running towards the beam. He doesn't say anything, but he is responsible for blowing up your shit. Afterwards he flies away and let Marauder Shields guard the beam.

Marauder Shields, may he rest in peace

I liked the endings.

lol @ all the whining.

At least provide counterarguments

 

[LiK]

I liked the endings.

lol @ all the whining.

lolololol. so badass

 

[Lime]

I liked the endings.

lol @ all the whining.

Great post. If you want to educate yourself, read this and watch the differences between the endings

 

[Derrick01]

I liked the endings.

lol @ all the whining.

Not only did you go into so little detail, but you couldn't even type "at" out. You were that lazy.

It's almost impressive really.

 

[Sojgat]

I liked the endings.

lol @ all the whining.

You have come to the wrong place.

 

[StuBurns]

Stuburns, you should also read this article or watch that Jeremy Jahn review of the ending if you want to get an overview of the complaints.

Cool video, until it descends into fanfic and entitlement, embarrassing.

 

[Lime]

Cool video, until it descends into fanfic and entitlement, embarrassing.

Agreed. The article is much more "sober"

 

[ElectricBlue187]

I liked the endings.

lol @ all the whining.

Sorry that wasn't the real ending
You were deceived.

 

[Doublesith]

From what's been reported, the VA was unavailable.

Ha this actually been reported anywhere? All I've seen is board speculation. Considering they replaced Mordin, i don't think replacing Harbinger's VA would have been a big deal considering how heavily processed its voice is anyway.

AFAIK, there are no conversations with Harbinger in any of the leaked scripts either. Seems like his absence is (stupidly, imo) deliberate.

 

[MC Safety]

Tali kills herself in some people's game? What the hell? She did the final run with me and Liara in my game.

She commits suicide.

It's interesting how the poor phrasing of the dialogue options leads directly to this horrifying scene. You're faced with a choice, to allow Legion to upload the Reaper code or to prohibit him from doing so.

Legion specifically states the uploading of the code will allow for freedom among the geth, and that they will help Shephard. In the middle of the uploading, Tali pleads for Shephard to stop the process, that the Quarian fleet will be killed.

The game then offers the paragon option: Rally the Fleet. This struck me as extremely odd because rally means to incite or inspire or bolster flagging morale. It does not mean plead for a cessation to hostility, which is exactly what happens if that option is chosen.

Knowing what "rally" meant, I purposefully decided against that option -- nor did I choose the renegade option "warn the fleet." And, as a result, the renewed Geth destroyed the Quarians and Tali, watching the horror, kills herself.

 

[Patryn]

Ha this actually been reported anywhere? All I've seen is board speculation. Considering they replaced Mordin, i don't think replacing Harbinger's VA would have been a big deal considering how heavily processed its voice is anyway.

AFAIK, there are no conversations with Harbinger in any of the leaked scripts either. Seems like his absence is (stupidly, imo) deliberate.

It's the explanation that I've been reading. So I may be mistaken.

 

[Rufus]

So, when exactly did they decide to scrap the whole Mass Relays doom the universe, dark energy, something, something? Because that would have to have happened really, really late. With a few additional scenes and some changes to dialogue at the end it could still be about that. You can see through the paint that is the synthethic/organic conflict that suddenly becomes the point of everything. Otherwise, how is there no way to even mention solving the Geth conflict peacefully, if you do manage to pull it off? It's like they switched focus at the last minute but didn't change everything properly to tie it all together.

Honestly, the solution the star child is talking about might as well be the dark energy thing. It preserves the heft of the damned problem and doesn't turn the reapers into stupid machines contradicting themselves. Why not reprogram the synthetic life, if it does rebel against it's creators? Why is that not a solution?

How did they fuck up this badly?

 

[heliosRAzi]

It's the explanation that I've been reading. So I may be mistaken.

It's just speculation

 

[Lime]

She commits suicide.

It's interesting how the poor phrasing of the dialogue options leads directly to this horrifying scene. You're faced with a choice, to allow Legion to upload the Reaper code or to prohibit him from doing so.

Legion specifically states the uploading of the code will allow for freedom among the geth, and that they will help Shephard. In the middle of the uploading, Tali pleads for Shephard to stop the process, that the Quarian fleet will be killed.

The game then offers the paragon option: Rally the Fleet. This struck me as extremely odd because rally means to incite or inspire or bolster flagging morale. It does not mean plead for a cessation to hostility, which is exactly what happens if that option is chosen.

Knowing what "rally" meant, I purposefully decided against that option -- nor did I choose the renegade option "warn the fleet." And, as a result, the renewed Geth destroyed the Quarians and Tali, watching the horror, kills herself.

By now you should be familiar with Bioware's moral design in their games:

Coloured dialogue > White dialogue. Always.

 

[Metroid-Squadron]

Great post. If you want to educate yourself, read this and watch the differences between the endings

"Educate myself", lmao. I'd rather just enjoy myself, thank you.

 

[heliosRAzi]

So, when exactly did they decide to scrap the whole Mass Relays doom the universe, dark energy, something, something? Because that would have to have happened really, really late. With a few additional scene and some changes to dialogue at the end it could still be about that. You can see through the paint that is the synthethic/organic conflict that suddenly becomes the point of everything. Otherwise, how is there no way to even mention solving the Geth conflict peacefully, if you do manage to pull it off? It's like they switched focus at the last minute but didn't change everything properly to tie it all together properly.

Well, since we didn't even have an idea of what the Reaper's purpose was until we spoke to the Catalyst and the Final Hours stuff, I think it's pretty clear that they scrapped the dark energy stuff pretty late

 

[Patryn]

So, when exactly did they decide to scrap the whole Mass Relays doom the universe, dark energy, something, something? Because that would have to have happened really, really late. With a few additional scene and some changes to dialogue at the end it could still be about that. You can see through the paint that is the synthethic/organic conflict that suddenly becomes the point of everything. Otherwise, how is there no way to even mention solving the Geth conflict peacefully, if you do manage to pull it off? It's like they switched focus at the last minute but didn't change everything properly to tie it all together properly.

Somewhere between ME2 and ME3. I believe the Dark Energy idea was Drew Karpyshyn's, and he left the ME team following ME2.

We can assume the organic/synthetic idea was Mac Walter's.

"Educate myself", lmao. I'd rather just enjoy myself, thank you.

That's great! Be sure to keep us updated.

 

[Derrick01]

So, when exactly did they decide to scrap the whole Mass Relays doom the universe, dark energy, something, something? Because that would have to have happened really, really late. With a few additional scene and some changes to dialogue at the end it could still be about that. You can see through the paint that is the synthethic/organic conflict that suddenly becomes the point of everything. Otherwise, how is there no way to even mention solving the Geth conflict peacefully, if you do manage to pull it off? It's like they switched focus at the last minute but didn't change everything properly to tie it all together properly.

Some speculate that it changed when the lead writers changed in between 1 and 2 but some think it changed after 2, since ME2 mentioned the dark matter part during Tali's recruitment mission. It does seem like the plot point was just suddenly dropped because after her mission there's no mention of it that I'm aware of for the rest of that game and the entirety of ME3.

 

[DTKT]

"Educate myself", lmao. I'd rather just enjoy myself, thank you.

While you are here, why not expand on why you liked the endings? Which one did you pick?

You know, instead of just trolling a thread.

 

[Lime]

"Educate myself", lmao. I'd rather just enjoy myself, thank you.

Strong troll.

I was just giving you the option to understand the position of the alleged "whiners", rather than having you make poor attempts at trolling.

 

[Empty Space]

So, when exactly did they decide to scrap the whole Mass Relays doom the universe, dark energy, something, something? Because that would have to have happened really, really late. With a few additional scene and some changes to dialogue at the end it could still be about that. You can see through the paint that is the synthethic/organic conflict that suddenly becomes the point of everything. Otherwise, how is there no way to even mention solving the Geth conflict peacefully, if you do manage to pull it off? It's like they switched focus at the last minute but didn't change everything properly to tie it all together properly.

I honestly think Karpyshyn and Walters got in a pissing match at some point in ME 2 and as a fuck you to Karpyshyn, Walters made that ending. I have a hard time believing anybody is so full of their own bullshit as to not see how it could and has gone so wrong.

 

[pakkit]

They've already established with Arrival that Mass Effect Relays wipe out systems. So the destruction of current civilization is inherit in all of the endings, which is why the indoctrination theory has so many supporters.

 

[heliosRAzi]

They've already established with Arrival that Mass Effect Relays wipe out systems. So the destruction of current civilization is inherit in all of them, which is why the indoctrination theory has so many supporters.

The indoctrination theory is bullshit proven by LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE

 

[Moofers]

Don't feed the troll, people. Its probably Gabe and/or Tycho. Or Lord Watkins himself.

 

[MC Safety]

By now you should be familiar with Bioware's moral design in their games:

Coloured dialogue > White dialogue. Always.

Definitely.

My stupid brain argued against choosing "rally the fleet." But I should have known better.

 

[heliosRAzi]

Don't feed the troll, people. Its probably Gabe and/or Tycho. Or Lord Watkins himself.

Lord Watkins? You've been speculated!

 

[Empty Space]

Definitely.

My stupid brain argued against choosing "rally the fleet." But I should have known better.

Don't feel bad I did the same thing as you thought man this can't be right an reloaded my save till I parsed out how everything worked.

 

[Rebel Leader]

Lord Watkins? You've been speculated!

I thought that's what specters do?

 

[heliosRAzi]

I thought that's what specters do?

Speculation incoming: All SPECTREs were see in this series die... except for that Salarian one

 

[rvy]

Are any of you guys going to play this online?

 

[MechaX]

"Educate myself", lmao. I'd rather just enjoy myself, thank you.

Hey. Please tell me why Joker was running away from the fight.

 

[Patryn]

Speculation incoming: All SPECTREs were see in this series die... except for that Salarian one

And Kaiden/Ashley.

Are any of you guys going to play this online?

I was. I was having fun. But then I beat the game, and the ending killed all my motivation to continue. So I've restarted DA:O for the fourth time instead.

 

[Derrick01]

Are any of you guys going to play this online?

Can't see myself ever playing this online due to my dislike of MP games and the fact that I don't see any point in playing this game online.

 

[Rebel Leader]

I am speculating that we are using speculation too much

 

[Eusis]

They've already established with Arrival that Mass Effect Relays wipe out systems. So the destruction of current civilization is inherit in all of the endings, which is why the indoctrination theory has so many supporters.

I seriously think it's a smaller stretch that it's only about how the energy is spent in a relay's destruction than piecing together how it's only an indoctrination dream at the very end.