Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest

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AiTM said:
Would be nice if he could point to one current US law or policy to back his claims up. That white people or the "system" are out to actively hold back black people.
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You're attempting to derail this discussion by asking people to prove that legalized racial discrimination exists - even though the article you're referencing was focused primarily on a culture of discrimination - so that when people cite examples; the drug war, stop and frisk, voter ID laws, ect., you can then dismiss those arguments as not specifically referencing race and vis a vis, not racist. What you won't do, is address the undeniable and well documented history of violence against people of color that has been de facto condoned by the state.

AiTM said:
Hes half Hispanic. But to make things better for the racism argument hes a white man. Like in the article he calls Obama a black President, I guess in that case him being white also doesn't count.
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Wise wrote another article on the issue that you should read:

Oh, and when you abuse that ill-gotten authority and take the life of a young black man in the process, you don’t get to be taken seriously when you swear that your actions couldn’t have been racist because, after all, you’re Latino (this being the latest fanciful insistence of Zimmerman’s family). Dear merciful Lord, what is that supposed to prove? Racism is not about the identity of the person acting it out so much as those upon whom it is acted, and for what purpose. There were black slave owners in the South, after all, and what of it? American slavery was a racist institution because it subordinated people based on racial identity, and was predicated on the notion of black inhumanity and white supremacy. That there were some black people who bought into both sets of lies does not acquit the institution of the charge of racism, nor those among the African American community who participated in it. So too, that there are persons of color who are just as anti-black in their thinking as many whites, pathetic and heartbreaking though it may be, means nothing and truthfully, should surprise no one.

It should be especially unsurprising that Zimmerman would have internalized racially-biased assumptions about black males, given the society in which he (and we) reside. And although this hardly lets him off the hook — one must be responsible for one’s own actions in any event, no matter the social contributors to those actions — it is worth noting a few things about the milieu in which this wannabe police officer was operating. In other words, Zimmerman’s culpability, while total and complete, is not solitary.

After all, we are a society in which research has shown quite conclusively that local newscasts overrepresent blacks as criminals, relative to their actual share of total crime, and overrepresent whites as victims, relative to our share of victimization.

A society in which other studies have shown that these racially-skewed newscasts have a direct relationship to widespread negative perceptions of black people. Indeed, a substantial percentage of anti-black racial hostility can be directly traced to media imagery, even after all other factors are considered.

A society in which the disproportionate incarceration of black males — especially for non-violent drug offenses, which they are no more likely (and often even less likely) than whites to commit — feeds the perception that they are so treated because they are dangerous and must be kept at bay.

A society in which criminality is so associated with blackness that whites literally and almost instantly connect the two things in survey after survey, and study after study, even though we are roughly 5 times as likely to be criminally victimized by another white person as by a black person.

A society in which anti-black racism has been so long ingrained that not only most whites, but also most Latinos and Asian Americans, demonstrate substantial subconscious bias against African Americans in study after study of implicit racial hostility (and even about a third of blacks themselves demonstrate anti-black racism).
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http://www.timwise.org/2012/03/tray...-unacceptable-burden-of-blackness-in-america/
 
AiTM said:
Way to honor the memory people.

And all of the funny gifs and responses no one could post a law or policy. Its just the great big invisible racist white monster who secretly informs all new police officers to only arrest black people.
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You're a disgusting human being, ya know that. This attitude displays how out of touch you are with the reality of minorities in America.
 
kame-sennin said:
You're attempting to derail this discussion by asking people to prove that legalized racial discrimination exists - even though the article you're referencing was focused primarily on a culture of discrimination - so that when people cite examples; the drug war, stop and frisk, voter ID laws, ect., you can then dismiss those arguments as not specifically referencing race and vis a vis, not racist. What you won't do, is address the undeniable and well documented history of violence against people of color that has been de facto condoned by the state.



Wise wrote another article on the issue that you should read:



http://www.timwise.org/2012/03/tray...-unacceptable-burden-of-blackness-in-america/
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I wasn't attempting to derail, I was responding to that bullshit article where he addresses the "white man" who refuses to accept the black mans rights. And I would like him to show where this is the case in policy. All he can do, or anyone else can do, is point to racist individuals. That doesn't equate the "white man". And when people say the words "white man" and act like they are some unified front, they lose any credibility to speak on race.

Veezy said:
You're a disgusting human being, ya know that. This attitude displays how out of touch you are with the reality of minorities in America.
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Sorry I didnt realize the discussion could only work in one direction.
 
AiTM said:
Way to honor the memory people.

And all of the funny gifs and responses no one could post a law or policy. Its just the great big invisible racist white monster who secretly informs all new police officers to only arrest black people.
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I'm going to look forward to honoring the memory of you when your ass-holery gets yourself banned.
 
AiTM said:
Way to honor the memory people.

And all of the funny gifs and responses no one could post a law or policy. Its just the great big invisible racist white monster who secretly informs all new police officers to only arrest black people.
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Wise didn't say anything about a law or policy. It doesn't seem like you read the piece, or at least didn't understand it, straightforward though it was.
 
Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
Trayvon protesters decide to loot Walgreens.

http://www.local10.com/news/Police-...tore/-/1717324/9719674/-/xctonpz/-/index.html
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It's amazing how ignorantly some blacks are treating this, from this to the various fake charities and promotional shit; don't they know there's a national spotlight on this? It's a symptom of the lack of a serious national leader to calm things down and advocate a smarter response; Obama can't be seen as intervening obviously as this is a federal matter. Instead we've basically got Sharpton and Jackson out there trying to make a buck.

It's just an embarrassing situation. The right is already attempting to divide white America on the issue, why aide them with this bullshit?
 
AiTM said:
I wasn't attempting to derail, I was responding to that bullshit article where he addresses the "white man" who refuses to accept the black mans rights. And I would like him to show where this is the case in policy. All he can do, or anyone else can do, is point to racist individuals. That doesn't equate the "white man". And when people say the words "white man" and act like they are some unified front, they lose any credibility to speak on race.
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Have you not seen the media's coverage of this event? Or the reaction to a black girl playing a roll in the hunger games? Or how Barak Obama was treated, and is still treated, based on race? Or the drug war's effect on Blacks? etc. etc. etc.

What is wrong with you?
 
PhoenixDark said:
It's amazing how ignorantly some blacks are treating this, from this to the various fake charities and ; don't they know there's a national spotlight on this? It's a symptom of the lack of a serious national leader to calm things down and advocate a smarter response; Obama can't be seen as intervening obviously as this is a federal matter. Instead we've basically got Sharpton and Jackson out there trying to make a buck.

It's just an embarrassing situation. The right is already attempting to divide white America on the issue, why aide them with this bullshit?
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dont forget the club scene cashing in on this. its so fucking tactless.
 
Fantastical said:
What the hell does robbing a Walgreens accomplish?
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Fantastical said:
What the hell does robbing a Walgreens accomplish?
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Well free, ill gotten swag for one....

A riot rush for another....

None of it positive and none of it has to do with the cases it's usually made to be linked to...

People with an agenda for now will focus on this and use that as an excuse to dismiss this case and/or reflect the negativity from a few of this deceased childs supports onto him.
 
Dude Abides said:
Wise didn't say anything about a law or policy. It doesn't seem like you read the piece, or at least didn't understand it, straightforward though it was.
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I took issue with his line that he spouted over and over. And like mentioned above I will stop posting as to not get banned. But articles like that do nothing to help race relations, it widens the gap between people, because it goes on the assumption look at race as a group instead of as individuals. And its a bullshit article because of it.
 
AiTM said:
I wasn't attempting to derail, I was responding to that bullshit article where he addresses the "white man" who refuses to accept the black mans rights. And I would like him to show where this is the case in policy. All he can do, or anyone else can do, is point to racist individuals. That doesn't equate the "white man". And when people say the words "white man" and act like they are some unified front, they lose any credibility to speak on race.
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For the record, your question has been answered twice now. Even though I criticized your argument, I did respond that stop and frisk, the drug war, and voter ID laws are all on the books, and all disproportionately affect black and brown people. Someone earlier in the thread cited some of these laws also.
 
AiTM said:
I took issue with his line that he spouted over and over. And like mentioned above I will stop posting as to not get banned. But articles like that do nothing to help race relations, it widens the gap between people, because it goes on the assumption look at race as a group instead of as individuals. And its a bullshit article because of it.
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He was quoting the Dred Scott case, and pointing out how similar views give rise to the victim-blaming and eagerness to label Martin some kind of thug that are swirling around. Your faux concern about "widen[ing] the gap between people" and "help[ing] race relations" is nothing more than a transparent demand that he shut up because you don't like what he is saying but are unable to refute it with any substance.
 
Veezy said:
Have you not seen the media's coverage of this event? Or the reaction to a black girl playing a roll in the hunger games? Or how Barak Obama was treated, and is still treated, based on race? Or the drug war's effect on Blacks? etc. etc. etc.

What is wrong with you?
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-what specially are you referring to when you say medias coverage?
-racist people on twitter, wow im shocked. Want me to go and find you a dozen racist tweets by black people? wouldn't be hard
-barack obama was treated? same as every other president, one side hates him and hurls whatever trash they can to discredit him.
-drug war doesn't target one race, nor does police policy, if you have individual cops who choose to target certain groups, than that is individual racist cops. And I agree with ending the drug war, which is why I support the only politician who agrees the same, who happens to be a Republican. You know, the evil racist party.
 
Mortrialus said:
I'm going to look forward to honoring the memory of you when your ass-holery gets yourself banned.
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Yea exactly why Im bowing out. Its supposed to be about the Trayvon Martin shooting I wasn't trying to derail it, I was just responding to that article that speaks of a white group who actively wants to not respect that black mans rights. If you speak about any race as a unified group, you are an idiot. And to the posting of laws that people say discriminate black people, no , they don't. And they don't only affect black people either. Voter ID laws, however flawed, are to stop voter fraud. Does having to get a license for a car affect black people as well?
 
AiTM said:
I took issue with his line that he spouted over and over. And like mentioned above I will stop posting as to not get banned. But articles like that do nothing to help race relations, it widens the gap between people, because it goes on the assumption look at race as a group instead of as individuals. And its a bullshit article because of it.
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You're not going to get banned for posting substantive arguments. You just haven't done that yet.

As for race relations, ignoring racial inequality does not make the problem go away. Can you name a single social or political problem that can be improved by not discussing it?
 
Fenderputty said:
Proof the smear campaign is working just like intended.
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Come on man. Zimmerman doesn't even look white. If you don't see smear from both sides you're crazy.

How this entire situation took a tangential route when race was mentioned/involved is the biggest tragedy of all.
 
AiTM said:
Yea exactly why Im bowing out. Its supposed to be about the Trayvon Martin shooting I wasn't trying to derail it, I was just responding to that article that speaks of a white group who actively wants to not respect that black mans rights. If you speak about any race as a unified group, you are an idiot. And to the posting of laws that people say discriminate black people, no , they don't. And they don't only affect black people either. Voter ID laws, however flawed, are to stop voter fraud. Does having to get a license for a car affect black people as well?
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Exactly as I predicted:

You're attempting to derail this discussion by asking people to prove that legalized racial discrimination exists - even though the article you're referencing was focused primarily on a culture of discrimination - so that when people cite examples; the drug war, stop and frisk, voter ID laws, ect., you can then dismiss those arguments as not specifically referencing race and vis a vis, not racist. What you won't do, is address the undeniable and well documented history of violence against people of color that has been de facto condoned by the state.

You have chosen to ignore the fact that whites are more likely to be drug users, but more blacks are in prison on drug charges.

You have chosen to ignore the fact that the overwhelming majority of people stopped by the NYPD are black, even though 9 out of 10 of them are innocent of any crime.

You have chosen to ignore the fact that voter ID laws disproportionately prevent Latinos from voting.

You have chosen to ignore the long history of discriminatory voter laws which have disproportionately prevented blacks from voting (poll tax).
 
Baconsammy said:
I hope for your sake you're being ironic, because the alternative is that you're a fucking asshole.
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Actually, racist. Because if you look at the picture neutrally, there isn't anything negative about it. It is a picture of a kid smiling. Only through a racist filter does it become negative.
 
KevinRo said:
Come on man. Zimmerman doesn't even look white. If you don't see smear from both sides you're crazy.

How this entire situation took a tangential route when race was mentioned/involved is the biggest tragedy of all.
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The biggest tragedy of all is the racially instigated execution of a child just walking home. People pretending otherwise would be a close second however.

empty vessel said:
Actually, racist. Because if you look at the picture neutrally, there isn't anything negative about it. It is a picture of a kid smiling. Only through a racist filter does it become negative.
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Indeed. To say nothing of the fact that the person in the photo isn't who he thinks it is.
 
Fenderputty said:
Proof the smear campaign is working just like intended.
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Unfortunately whenever the President attaches himself to any issue this is the result. I thought for a fleeting moment that the Right was going to recognize that this was not an issue that they were going to be able to get any positive mileage from and stay far away but again I've been disappointed.
 
I wonder how many more factually challenged posters are going to come in here thinking they are imparting some revelatory piece of information with that (fake) photo.
 
KevinRo said:
Come on man. Zimmerman doesn't even look white. If you don't see smear from both sides you're crazy.

How this entire situation took a tangential route when race was mentioned/involved is the biggest tragedy of all.
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lol. You realize it was the police report that identified Zimmerman as "white." Right?

So, no smear. But that would have taken you a few seconds to search. I realize that's beneath some of you.
 
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