Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest

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commedieu said:
I can prove it. Whoever was screaming, wasn't having their head bashed in on concrete or grass. There weren't any pauses or breaks, just a lot of screaming. If anyone was getting head trauma enough for them to fear death, they more than likely would have been losing consciousness.

Trayvon didn't have wounds to his head, neither did Zimmerman. as far as net-detectivtry goes. Now sure, we don't know any of this. So then lets just lock the thread, and not discuss anything until theres further evidence. Or, we can use our brains, personal experience, and common sense to know that Zimmermans ever-changing story and inconsistency are illustrating him as a liar. If anyone was betting money on whether or not Z was telling truth, absolutely no one here defending him would. But here, its good for a debate.
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Eh, I could care less about the screaming. Whoever was screaming has nothing to do with what I was talking about. Trayvon could've EASILY been screaming AND bashing the other guy's head in (justifiably, I'd add- as in, self defense). And I can hit you in the head with something that won't show external head wounds but will be life-threatening.

I don't think Zimmerman is telling the truth and I think he's guilty of murder. That doesn't mean everything that he said was a lie and that doesn't mean that he's the devil. If a girl was raped and changed her story because she was afraid for her life (or something), you can bet a majority of people on here would be defending her. However, since it happens to be Zimmerman and Trayvon, a majority of people are defending the under 18 "child" without even considering that Zimmerman might not be guilty. When I post arguments, I'm posting them for the people who haven't really thought about the case before they made their decision.

Oh yeah and in before- Trayvon Martin Case Thread: George Zimmerman 'Defender' Cites Murder As Equal To Rape
 
SmokeMaxX said:
Eh, I could care less about the screaming. Whoever was screaming has nothing to do with what I was talking about. Trayvon could've EASILY been screaming AND bashing the other guy's head in (justifiably, I'd add- as in, self defense). And I can hit you in the head with something that won't show external head wounds but will be life-threatening.

I don't think Zimmerman is telling the truth and I think he's guilty of murder. That doesn't mean everything that he said was a lie and that doesn't mean that he's the devil. If a girl was raped and changed her story because she was afraid for her life (or something), you can bet a majority of people on here would be defending her. However, since it happens to be Zimmerman and Trayvon, a majority of people are defending the under 18 "child" without even considering that Zimmerman might not be guilty. When I post arguments, I'm posting them for the people who haven't really thought about the case before they made their decision.

Oh yeah and in before- Trayvon Martin Case Thread: George Zimmerman 'Defender' Cites Murder As Equal To Rape
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I can assure you that if Trayvon changed his story here, people would still be defending him. That's a messy bit of logic you've got going on there.
 
SmokeMaxX said:
Headline is pretty stupid and sensationalistic.

Trayvon Martin Case: George Zimmerman Lawyer States Zimmerman Acting In Self Defense would be better although pretty much just tells us what we already heard.

The whole case is a joke anyway. I think Zimmerman should be charged with murder, but I don't think racism plays a big part in it. If it was a white kid, MAYBE Zimmerman wouldn't have followed him (although you could make the claim that most Americans would be suspicious of Eminem walking around in a hoodie). But I don't think that (all things staying the same) Zimmerman wouldn't have shot Trayvon if he were white.

EDIT: And some of you guys are pretty narrow-minded. You can pretty easily bash someone's head in even if they're heavier than you. I still think Zimmerman's guilty of murder, but be reasonable.
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Well, yeah. You can bash someone's head in. But it sounds like the story now is not that his head was being bashed in, but shaken, like a baby's in shaken baby syndrome.

un-fuck-en-believable
 
The Zimmerman 911 tape was the first time I heard it was raining that day. Which would imply Trevon Martin was using his hoodie for its utilitarian purpose of protection from the weather. This makes Geraldo's statements even more asinine, if that's possible. If you're white and wearing a hoodie in the rain or cold, you're dressed sensibly. If you're black and wearing a hoodie in the rain or cold, you're dressing like a gangsta' and are asking to get shot.
 
So because they're aware that it will be super duper obvious that there won't be any wounds that indicate a "head bashing" experience, they need to introduce the narrative that head -shaking- is disorienting enough that it would cause him to scream out for help for 40 seconds rather than fight off this teen.
 
I don't know how many of you have been in a fight before, but I find it hard to imagine a fight in which Trayvon could just grab his head and REPEATEDLY bash in into the ground, especially if he had no hair to grab onto. UNLESS he's claiming he was unconscious at the time his head was getting bashed.

Stomped into the concrete? Yeah. But held on either side and smacked into the ground repeatedly? Who does that? Think about the leverage needed to do this. Isn't it somewhat awkward and cartoonish? Maybe in the movies this happens, but not real life. Think about it . . .

If he's able to grab a chunk of hair and yank his head, then yeah. But Zimmerman is bald.

Did he grab his head on either side of his face? Think about it. You would have to have super strength to hold someone's head like, in a vice grip, and REPEATEDLY smash it into the ground without them being able to twist out of it or simply grab your arms and PULL them away from their head. UNLESS he was completely unconscious, in which case Martin would have complete control.

And then, why did he allow Trayvon to get close enough to hit him like that? IF Trayvon is the one that he says approached him, and here he is believing this kid is dangerous enough to call 911 on, why would he allow him to get within striking distance? He just drops his guard all of a sudden?

I dunno, it just doesn't feel realistic. Just more reasons to doubt his story . . .
 
JCreasy said:
I don't know how many of you have been in a fight before, but I find it hard to imagine a fight in which Trayvon could just grab his head and REPEATEDLY bash in into the ground, especially if he had no hair to grab onto. .
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Black kids do it to white adults all the time. See this real life example at 2:20. This is probably an accurate depiction of what happened to poor George Zimmer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldYNQNStcOI
 
quadriplegicjon said:
Well, yeah. You can bash someone's head in. But it sounds like the story now is not that his head was being bashed in, but shaken, like a baby's in shaken baby syndrome.

un-fuck-en-believable
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I'm not in any way a fan of Zimmerman nor do I think he's in any way not guilty of stalking, provoking, and ultimately killing an innocent unarmed kid, but they were not saying shaken baby is the defense. They were just using it and Liam Neeson's wife as a way to illustrate head trauma is serious business. It was a poor comparison, yes, but it seemed just to be illustrative. They should have stuck to examples like Liam Neeson's wife... maybe used a concussion death from a sports injury or something.
 
elrechazao said:
Black kids do it to white adults all the time. See this real life example at 2:20. This is probably an accurate depiction of what happened to poor George Zimmer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldYNQNStcOI
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WOW Oooold school. Haven't seen this in decades. But I think I know what inspired his version of events,

Also, I'm thinking these are the kind of "black hooligans" Zimmerman wants us to believe Trayvon was. Equally as preposterous as his logic . . .
 
Loudninja said:
Trayvon Martin Case: George Zimmerman Lawyer Cites 'Shaken Baby Syndrome' As Defense

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/06/george-zimmerman-shaken-baby_n_1408421.html

Wow his lawyers are complete morons.
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There are often no visible external signs such injuries have occurred.
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Megidolaon said:
What's so odd about his defense?

My dad was in an automobile accident and sustained a closed head injury. He told police he was ok, he seemed ok and didn't go to the hospital. But he actually had a severe brain injury and developed such severe memory and cognitive problems that he had to quit his job, and his personality was never the same. It got worse and worse until he was in diapers. He died a few months ago.

My point is if his head was being smacked on the ground, all it would take is one hit to do the job. He is lucky that he is ok. And I'm sure his medical records will confirm if he had any injuries. But just because he doesn't have a traumatic brain injury, doesn't mean he wasn't in fear of it.
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Zimmerman's head was not banged against the ground. That's what so odd about his defense.
 
elrechazao said:
Best to read the thread before dropping new
old
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Sorry, I skimmed the last page and I didn't see anything (I see it now ><). Thread tends to move very quickly while I'm asleep. It popped up on my facebook feed half an hour ago, so I thought it was new news.

I still don't get it though. If his brain is shaken, wouldn't that be very dangerous/ damaging? How has he not exhibited any signs? What was the point in even saying it? Shaking a full grown man hard enough that his brain bleeds sounds very difficult.
 
Dali said:
I'm not in any way a fan of Zimmerman nor do I think he's in any way not guilty of stalking, provoking, and ultimately killing an innocent unarmed kid, but they were not saying shaken baby is the defense. They were just using it and Liam Neeson's wife as a way to illustrate head trauma is serious business. It was a poor comparison, yes, but it seemed just to be illustrative. They should have stuck to examples like Liam Neeson's wife... maybe used a concussion death from a sports injury or something.
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It doesn't matter. They are changing the story from a head bashing, to a severe head shaking. Liam Neeson's wife had a major head injury due to an accident.
 
commedieu said:
At least he can admit it. Think about the other posters... Must be green with envy that he doesn't have to pussy foot around like they do.
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My sentiments as well.


akira28 said:
just to be clear, I've never seen Megidolaon in one of the Pony threads. I disavow all knowledge of his person.
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Yoo, damn. Bronies have spoken.

SmokeMaxX said:
Trayvon could've EASILY been screaming AND bashing the other guy's head in
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-_-
 
Megidolaon said:
If the man is on his back and the teen is on top of him hitting his head on the ground, then yes, both have the potential to inflict great harm.

And I'm not being a contrarian. I believe Zimmerman is telling the truth. When his site goes up, I may donate to his defense. I feel bad for him.
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So you are going to donate money to a man, who nobody contests, killed an innocent teenager, even if you believe all the shite you do, recklessly and needlessly because he is a fucking douchenozzle. YOU ARE GOING TO DONATE MONEY TO THAT?


What the flying fuck is wrong with your brain?
 
Loudninja said:
Trayvon Martin Case: George Zimmerman Lawyer Cites 'Shaken Baby Syndrome' As Defense

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/06/george-zimmerman-shaken-baby_n_1408421.html

Wow his lawyers are complete morons.
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Just going to be the 20th or so poster to quote this because this is the funniest thing I've read all year so far.

Anyway, have any of you guys thought of the possibily that Trayvon was a ... teenage mutant? What if he was using his mutant powers to beat up Zimmerman and his powers made it so there were no bleeding wounds on his head..

Food for thought.
 
Kyuuketsu_Night said:
Just going to be the 20th or so poster to quote this because this is the funniest thing I've read all year so far.

Anyway, have any of you guys thought of the possibily that Trayvon was a ... teenage mutant? What if he was using his mutant powers to beat up Zimmerman and his powers made it so there were no bleeding wounds on his head..

Food for thought.
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I, for one, believe powered up like a big, black Incredible Hulk. His golden teeth turning into razor-sharp fangs, hair flying up into a Super Sayan-like flat-top fade, eyes bloodshot red from all the Indo coursing through his veins, skin black and thick as...idunno, something black and thick. Our hero Zimmerman was flung around like a rag doll...no...like a shaken baby...but is able to get off a single shot despite the concussion-like blasts each punch inflicted. Just then, Tengen Toppa Trayvon said, "ya got me!", and he shrunk back down into Bruce Banner-like frailness and died.

If only he had mastered and learned to control his mysterious powers sooner.
 
BobLoblaw said:
You want to know the real kicker? Zimmerman attended and helped coordinate a neighborhood watch meeting last September and the police officer addressing the group specifically stated that neighborhood watch members are not supposed to pursue/confront people and they aren't supposed to be armed. But what does fucknuts do? He does exactly what he wants because of his ego. I guess vigilantes gonna vigilant.
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Do you have a source for that? Not questioning, just...goddamn.
 
That whole "they always get away... *click* but not this time" and the "YA GOT ME" nonsense are some of the funniest things I've ever read.

And then DV comes in with "Tengen Toppa Trayvon" and now I'm losing my shit right now.
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So can we now call that police report bullshit if even his own attorney is now coming up with another injury?
 
Suikoguy said:
So can we now call that police report bullshit if even his own attorney is now coming up with another injury?
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I'm not sure how worrying about a shaken head is inconsistent with the head injuries that have been previously discussed. Not that I think they happened either way.
 
Suikoguy said:
So can we now call that police report bullshit if even his own attorney is now coming up with another injury?
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Smart observation.

Why even bring this up if there's definitive proof, anywhere, that he has serious injuries on the back of his head from it banging against the concrete?
 
Dreams-Visions said:
I believe his attorney was trying to say he was afraid of that happening to him...or...something...idk.
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elrechazao said:
I'm not sure how worrying about a shaken head is inconsistent with the head injuries that have been previously discussed. Not that I think they happened either way.
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Either way this is starting to smell more fishy then when we have terrible Red Tide here in Florida.
 
Suikoguy said:
Either way this is starting to smell more fishy then when we have terrible Red Tide here in Florida.
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Holy shit was that bad.

I hate the smell of the water there, in general, unless you are at the beach. Folks in my town call the water "suffer water" (which I think was an ignorant bastardization of "sulfur") due to how fucking rancid standing water smells in that state.
elrechazao said:
I don't think it really smells more than it already did just because his lawyers are putting together a narrative.
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It's a similar narrative that the brother was peddling. He was going to have to change George's diapers, remember?
 
Big Baybee said:
You feel comfortable with armed civilians roaming your neighborhood looking for anything suspicious?
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Yes. But that's not the point of what I asked. People are implying that because he was in a neighborhood watch program he should have LESS rights to carry a gun than a random civilian.
Not only are neighborhood watches not an official thing regulated by the state in any way that would limit his right to carry, he wasn't even part of one in any official manner, and he had a ccw.

I think he's a murderer, but he absolutely had the right to go around with a gun, despite what cops may or may not have advised the group he may or may not have been affiliated with.

Dreams-Visions said:
Zimmerman wasn't in a Neighborhood Watch program. And their director released a statement saying that actual Neighborhood Watch members aren't allowed to carry guns, iirc.
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If he was part of an organized neighborhood watch program, they could kick him out for carrying a gun, but that's it.

If he had been working a security job and his company said "no guns", and he brought a gun in, he could be fired for violating policy, but that's it - he wouldn't be committing a crime by bringing a gun in (unless it was to a court house, school, or whatever else as defined by local laws).

It's a dumb idea and the people inclined to do it are probably the same people inclined to go out and act like Zimmerman, but the point is you have the right to carry a gun, whether you're in a neighborhood watch program (officially, unofficially, or in your imagination) or not. Neighborhood Watch isn't some organized, national peace keeper association. It's typically just a bunch of busybodies who want to spy on and bully their neighbors.
 
Gattsu25 said:
I get that you're trying to prove a point, but now you are *zing*ing the guy by linking to him talk about the death of a parent in a different thread. I don't think I can ever get behind that.
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Wasn't my intent to be insensitive, since he was discussing a hypothetical at the time, but fair enough.
 
elrechazao said:
I'm not sure how worrying about a shaken head is inconsistent with the head injuries that have been previously discussed. Not that I think they happened either way.
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If he was so worried at the time about his shaken head, he would not have refused medical treatment. He probably would have brought it up with the paramedic, and the paramedic would have taken him to the hospital.
 
quadriplegicjon said:
If he was so worried at the time about his shaken head, he would not have refused medical treatment. He probably would have brought it up with the paramedic, and the paramedic would have taken him to the hospital.
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One of our sage members has this scenario covered:

Megidolaon said:
What's so odd about his defense?

My dad was in an automobile accident and sustained a closed head injury. He told police he was ok, he seemed ok and didn't go to the hospital. But he actually had a severe brain injury and developed such severe memory and cognitive problems that he had to quit his job, and his personality was never the same. It got worse and worse until he was in diapers. He died a few months ago.
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Zimmerman thought his head was split wide open. Turns out it was just a symptom of brain damage.
 
Suikoguy said:
So can we now call that police report bullshit if even his own attorney is now coming up with another injury?
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That's what I've been saying. The police report was written hours after Zimmerman was already let go, so the report had to match the coverup story. Whoever wrote that report is likely fucked.
 
BobLoblaw said:
That's what I've been saying. The police report was written hours after Zimmerman was already let go, so the report had to match the coverup story. Whoever wrote that report is likely fucked.
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I want all that is involved in this cover up to be fucked, but sadly that won't happen.
 
elrechazao said:
Do you ever stop to think that what you're writing is a bit silly?
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Explain. I'll do my part and then you do yours. Deal?

Zimmerman jumps Trayvon. Trayvon defends himself and manages to get on top. He has an adrenaline rush and wants to subdue Zimmerman (and is angry that he was jumped) so he starts bashing his head in. He's also screaming for help because he wants help since the other guy is bigger than he is.

How unreasonable is that? If I got attacked, I'd still be yelling help even if I was winning.
 
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