Someone has to protect Japan's honor. Mainly people with Japanese related Avatar's.
Beamdog founder Trent Oster: "We don't do Nintendo development"
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Someone has to protect Japan's honor. Mainly people with Japanese related Avatar's.
Pachterballs
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@waking fiend. ignore list you go.
Hot Coldman
Banned
That MDK port never made any sense. People already knew WiiWare was shit by that point. Why did they fucking bother?
Seraphinianus
Banned
not seeing anything wrong with what he's saying, unless pointing out some of nintendo's biggest flaws is a crime. If it was a smooth process with nintendo and 3rd parties sold well on their systems, this game would probably be on there....every game their systems don't get is their fault, not the devs' fault.
MatthewB92
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When people say things will change with Wii U they pretty much mean all those things he is complaining about are already gone from the eshop so they are gonna be gone from the Wii U eshop.
Glass Rebel
Member
Then you're mistaking me for someone else because I never said I'd pass on Fez because of Fish but because I do not own the platform.
Not that it really matters though because in my case it would be me missing a single game. This is a company executive missing out on sales because of restrictions that don't exist on the platform he would be developing anyway.
Little Green Yoda
Member
jvm's article from the NPD thread listed the Wii tie ratio to be 7.8. U.S. numbers, obviously.
walking fiend
Member
luckily, industry is run by businessmen who aren't lttp and a use 'a gaming console being a toy' to mock it; so it doesn't really matter unless Nintendo fails to fix legitimate criticism.
Recent example of how business works: MH4 moving from PSP to 3DS.
Who are you now?
As mentioned in the thread, these are issues that have been addressed with the 3DS eshop.
I'm no expert on humor, but I'd say you getting mad at it is pretty damn funny.
It's a guy with the rights to produce updated ports of one of the top 10 RPGs of all time. And even if he was just another 3rd party dev, it would still matter but your mind is obviously already made up on that.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
If you don't care then why post? He's stating his opinions from his experiences with Nintendo. I agree with the last thing you said, but it's easy to see how a single very bad experience could sour you from wanting to work with a company again.
What do you mean if they are not top of the decision making chain? He's the founder of "Beamdog". I just don't get the apathy towards these things. If people don't react to these stupid things, how is Nintendo going to change?
Seraphinianus
Banned
And I thought Apple was bad, taking long as fortnight to approve some Apps on the App store. Whilst rejecting some apps for using the volume button as a shutter even though they approved others that use it.
Pachterballs
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PairOfFilthySocks
Member
Meh, at least he backs himself up with some reasons for his comments.
Your sense of humor is..... something.
ah well, i'm on the internet. I've to be mad at something
Oh sure, there is lots of problems with WiiWare and devs have the right to point that out and consider not releasing games on that platform, but it seems to me that publishers also look at platforms and consider if games can be a succes on said platform. Then, if you play by the rules of said platform (which are rather sucky in the case of WiiWare), complaining afterwards seems a bit strange to me, since you knew what you were getting into.
Yep seemed like a pretty terrible business decision. But I'm guessing we'll never hear the whole story on that.
walking fiend
Member
Well, I wasn't sure if he is important or not at first - also, I don't care about what he thinks doesn't mean I don't care about discussing about this at here
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The point is, this guy stance puts Nintendo in a hopeless way: "cause you once sucked, I am going to forsake you"; So no matter what Nintendo does, this guys isn't going to change his stance
Hopefully, Nintendo has learned and his criticism means little now; as I said, he is like 2 years late at the party; it would definitely made sense if he had said this when 3DS wasn't around or other Wiiware limitations weren't removed
putting aside his childish 'toy' comment; from a business point, this is a very poor position
are other 3rd party devs normally childish and lack business sense? if true, then yes, this would matter!
Apple I can excuse a little on this cause they have to go through hundreds of applications everyday.
DragonSworne
Banned
How to get Famous Online
1. Complain about <insert fan loved topic here>on twitter
2. React to critism with fanboy level comments
3. You're famous!
See Fez develop for reference
1. Complain about <insert fan loved topic here>on twitter
2. React to critism with fanboy level comments
3. You're famous!
See Fez develop for reference
I'd say they're definitely improving on this front, if you look all the titles they've published for 3rd parties recently (Rhythm Thief, RE:R etc).
His comment was that you buy a Wii with Wii Sports and you never buy another game, which is false. Is this comparison that hard for you?
... not really helping.
smuldegspaj
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I dont think any third party wants to prop up nintendo.
Nintendo has an long history of fucking third party.
Nintendo has an long history of fucking third party.
All I've seen mentioned is the file size limit being raised.
Which is good, don't get me wrong, but all in all, it is the lesser of all the problems with Nintendo's DD platform.
Eh, maybe there was an NDA so he couldn't mention this while MDK2 was in certification, but as I said, it is myopic to attack the guy to defend Wiiware from criticism, when this kind of public criticism is exactly what Nintendo needs to strengthen their platform.
Pathetic Basement Virgin
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Is this a recent quote? So they started development a game & didn't know how nintendo ran the service?
Sounds like the dummies who bought a Wii & then cried about it not getting the type of games they wanted.
Do research before jumping in.
Sounds like the dummies who bought a Wii & then cried about it not getting the type of games they wanted.
Do research before jumping in.
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Deleted member 13876
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That example would actually help his argument that only Nintendo stuff sells on Nintendo platforms though. Regardless, listing one thing that's the exception rather than the rule also doesn't really diminish his complaints. The toy quote was unnecessary, but I guess he feels shaming Nintendo will hopefully get them to get their shit together for next-gen.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I find the defensive tone of this thread rather creepy "don't insult my Nintendo!!"
The dev had a bad experience working with Nintendo, and he's not going to go through that again. Fair enough! And his "just a toy" comment is perfectly rational in the context of the statement: it's not like Nintendo platforms are some cash cow for third parties, it's actually a graveyard. Lots of Wii owners don't buy many games, and if they do, they buy Nintendo games. It's not worth kissing Nintendo's ass for such meager returns.
I wouldn't call it burning a bridge, Id call it drawing a line in the sand. He won't work with Nintendo with the current state of their certification process, and the current state of third party sales. If things change, maybe this dev will return.
It's not all that different from the mass exodus of third parties from Nintendo after the SNES era. They were too controlling, so devs went elsewhere. It's perfectly fair.
The dev had a bad experience working with Nintendo, and he's not going to go through that again. Fair enough! And his "just a toy" comment is perfectly rational in the context of the statement: it's not like Nintendo platforms are some cash cow for third parties, it's actually a graveyard. Lots of Wii owners don't buy many games, and if they do, they buy Nintendo games. It's not worth kissing Nintendo's ass for such meager returns.
I wouldn't call it burning a bridge, Id call it drawing a line in the sand. He won't work with Nintendo with the current state of their certification process, and the current state of third party sales. If things change, maybe this dev will return.
It's not all that different from the mass exodus of third parties from Nintendo after the SNES era. They were too controlling, so devs went elsewhere. It's perfectly fair.
Spread your commonsense elsewhere infidel.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Drama school 101.
Alex
Member
The eshop is a barren wasteland (yet it still manage to be laid out in such an idiotic manner) for the most part and still suffers from plenty of the issues and nonsense that made wiiware so unpalatable. It's hardly surprising that the support is slow coming thus far, I really can't see the Wii-u miraculously fixing the same slew of problems Nintendo has been puttering on for ages.
It'd be nice if their post-Apple hook was simply to get their digital/online strategy together but I assume they'll need to take a few more lumps before that happens.
It'd be nice if their post-Apple hook was simply to get their digital/online strategy together but I assume they'll need to take a few more lumps before that happens.
Care to explain?
I'd also like to hear what you think makes the eShop unpalatable. As for barren wasteland, hasn't the Shop got a pretty large amount of 1st and 3rd party support?
walking fiend
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Pachterballs
Banned
on most other platforms, say XBLA, PSN/iOS. news of a title being brought on; will be met with comments which shold echo "that's great'. "supporting"
here its "why did they even bother bringing it to wiiware; these stupid devs. everyone know wiiware is fucked" Instead of saying "it was great, they tried to support the eshop, and that they didn't get the proper sort of certifcaation/support, real shame". instead you have, excusing nintendo. blaming the dev.
just incredible. why bother with anything on the nintendo platform if that's the consumer base's attitude.
here its "why did they even bother bringing it to wiiware; these stupid devs. everyone know wiiware is fucked" Instead of saying "it was great, they tried to support the eshop, and that they didn't get the proper sort of certifcaation/support, real shame". instead you have, excusing nintendo. blaming the dev.
just incredible. why bother with anything on the nintendo platform if that's the consumer base's attitude.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Exactly.
"Only Nintendo stuff sells on Nintendo platforms" because no one else puts out titles that are as high quality as Nintendo's, and are as accessible as Nintendo's, and have the marketing budget that Nintendo's do. When those things happen, then their games will sell as well as Nintendo's on Nintendo platforms. Instead, they barely try.
The only time this actually happened on the Wii was in the casual space, since casual game budgets are smaller than "AAA" game budgets, so third parties were willing to put the work in. That's how Just Dance happened.
Look at third party output on Wii, compared to third party output on 360 and PS3, from the beginning of the generation, and the difference is clear.
Except that DOES happen. A lot. Look at the reception for things like the Bit.Trip series, or any of Shin'en's offerings.
Nobody's going to get excited about a cut-down port of a decade-old game that's cheaper elsewhere. Why would they?
AFAIK there is no sales threshold.
I agree. Doesn't mean he should spread outdated info as fact on Twitter, potentially discouraging other developers. You know, just using past tense in his tweets would have helped, as he obviously doesn't even know the current conditions.
themadcowtipper
Smells faintly of rancid stilton.
Guess what Baulders Gate is not coming to 360 or ps3 either.
Except for the fact that he didn't make that argument. Not to mention the fact that the Wii attach ratio is pretty good considering the system has always had a pack-in title. It's like you people can't read or just are that bad at reading comprehension.
Ghost_Protocol
Member
Yes, clearly he meant EVERYONE who bought a wii only bought one game. EVERYONE. He's completely unaware of Mario Galaxy, Skyward Sword, Donkey Kong, etc. Whats wrong with you? The guy was clearly soured and venting about the system. Why are you taking a rant so seriously?
That's good.
Only leaves the prize issue, the random release time and the certification, but at least it's something.