Elder Scrolls Online Game Informer Details
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I died a little inside reading that. Long time ES fan and all.
Nords, Dark Elves, and Argonians being allied is completely fucking ludicrous, and to a lesser extent, Orcs, Reguards and Bretons. After all the effort they've put into the lore and setting, can't believe Bethesda would sign off on that. Twisted thing is this is probably the only way we will ever see Black Marsh or Elsweyr.
Screw you, ZeniMax. Screw you.
Nords, Dark Elves, and Argonians being allied is completely fucking ludicrous, and to a lesser extent, Orcs, Reguards and Bretons. After all the effort they've put into the lore and setting, can't believe Bethesda would sign off on that. Twisted thing is this is probably the only way we will ever see Black Marsh or Elsweyr.
Screw you, ZeniMax. Screw you.
mysteriousmage09
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This 1000 times. I'm so glad people are so against this garbage and everyone wanted a sandbox experience since that is what the damn Elder Scrolls games are.
These fucking failures can't even get their lore right. Why the fuck is Cyrodil not a fucking jungle this time? Why the fuck are Argonians, Dunmer and Nords allies? 5 years in the making already and don't can't get basic shit from their own lore right, that's a great sign!
I seriously can't think of one redeeming factor of this game. Damn near every single possible thing that I loved from the previous Elder Scrolls games is gone completely. Hopefully this is fastest tanking MMO in history because they don't seem to be pleasing anyone with this abomination with Elder Scrolls written on its name tag.
Yeah that's mind blowing about the factions. They made geographic alliances in a world where these races who were geographically close to one another were NOT allies. This isn't Hybernia, Albion, and Midgard here guys. You can't lump the same things you did with DAoC into ES's geography.
HP_Wuvcraft
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FieryBalrog
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That should not surprise any of you.
The lore shitting is unavoidable. MMOs, including the almighty WoW, will always shit on your brand's lore. ALWAYS. From foam lightsabers and "Dark HEALS!", to dumbass Blood Elf lore mangling, you can count on it.
It's funny that many of the biggest franchises in nerd-dom- and even the world- have all entered the MMO market, spent billions of dollars, and we mostly have just a pile of shit as a result of it. Biggest waste of gaming dollars ever.
Star Wars, Star Trek, DC comics, Warcraft, Matrix, LOTR, D&D, Warhammer, Final Fantasy and now Elder Scrolls! yay!
FieryBalrog
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Well, they're going to have raiding (yep!), and I can't imagine WoW style raiding in first person unless you like to lose all your situational awareness and fail miserably.
Though what on earth is so amazingly complicated about first person, who knows.
Was interested until I saw hotbar.
Tera has ruined me. I can not go back, and I WILL NOT go back. Played the original EQ, then dabbled in CoH and played a LOT of EQ2, then various other MMOs for brief periods of time. Tera has brought me back into the MMO fold after 4 years or so gone.
No way can I ever go back to the old MMO style of play. I'm sorry to see they're sticking with it.
Tera has ruined me. I can not go back, and I WILL NOT go back. Played the original EQ, then dabbled in CoH and played a LOT of EQ2, then various other MMOs for brief periods of time. Tera has brought me back into the MMO fold after 4 years or so gone.
No way can I ever go back to the old MMO style of play. I'm sorry to see they're sticking with it.
Night_Trekker
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The only thing that excites me about this is seeing all of Tamriel represented. The areas we haven't yet seen will be cool to visit, and it will be neat to see how they represent places we've already visited in earlier games. Also, the soundtrack (if Soule does it) will probably be great.
Too bad I won't play it since it's an MMO :/
Too bad I won't play it since it's an MMO :/
You want to see them with the shitty hero engine? I'll stick to Oblivion/Skyrim and my imagination.
You're kidding, right? Everquest 1 had 3D graphics, first person view, and epic raid content in 1998. It worked just fine. And this is in a world without voice comms. Raids conducted with with game's text chat interface only. Auctions conducted player-to-player directly with no game "middle man". No such thing as instanced dungeons. If the God of Hate is killed by a guild, it stays down on that server for days. If a dragon is killed, it stays dead for days. None of this instant respawning of huge epic monsters over and over in instanced dungeons.
WoW killed the sense of a community for me. It's funny that the bullet points in this game have to explain what persistant dungeons are and then lump instanced dungeons into a phrase like "normal dungeons like WoW"...that's not F'ing normal!
Night_Trekker
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Clarification: I don't want to see this game at all. But it will be cool to see visual representations of places we haven't gotten to visit in the main games, shitty engine or not.
Making a WoW clone and having half your bullet points be things the game won't have isn't going to earn you a lot of love.So much venom...
GodfatherX
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So after a few hours I've decided what exactly I'd want from an elder scrolls MMO
1. Look and plays similar to Skyrim
2. Hub cities and towns similar in structure to Skyrim where you would get quest, shop, craft. These areas would be populated by all players on the server. Here you could also party up with friends or randoms.
3. Outside the hub cities you would have a more co-op instances experience where you would see primarily your party as you adventure Tamriel. Other player parties would be visible to an extent, not sure how they would make it work, but I'd want the world to feel inhabited but not over crowded.
4. The dungeons and enemies would go from weak falmer to dragons to giants, to even bigger and harder enemies that would require coordination of your entire 6-10 party members.
5. Classes would be more restricted then Skyrim (skill limitations for example) but more open then traditional MMORPGS
The closest example I can think of, and I tried to come up with others but keep going back to this one, is Borderlands style co-op PvE but meshed with Skyrim's systems and gameplay
1. Look and plays similar to Skyrim
2. Hub cities and towns similar in structure to Skyrim where you would get quest, shop, craft. These areas would be populated by all players on the server. Here you could also party up with friends or randoms.
3. Outside the hub cities you would have a more co-op instances experience where you would see primarily your party as you adventure Tamriel. Other player parties would be visible to an extent, not sure how they would make it work, but I'd want the world to feel inhabited but not over crowded.
4. The dungeons and enemies would go from weak falmer to dragons to giants, to even bigger and harder enemies that would require coordination of your entire 6-10 party members.
5. Classes would be more restricted then Skyrim (skill limitations for example) but more open then traditional MMORPGS
The closest example I can think of, and I tried to come up with others but keep going back to this one, is Borderlands style co-op PvE but meshed with Skyrim's systems and gameplay
â Narayan
Member
How uninteresting.
maniac-kun
Member
Huge backlash for a just announced game. I see it all over the net. Its not the game people wanted.
mysteriousmage09
Member
To quote what I stated in the earlier thread.
What a massive wast of potential this game is. If there was ever game that was a kick to the balls with the backing of the force of 1000 suns, this is it.
What a massive wast of potential this game is. If there was ever game that was a kick to the balls with the backing of the force of 1000 suns, this is it.
Team Filler
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ITT: Lots of salty talk about an MMO from people who don't play MMO's.
For those asking for something like EVE, you need to understand that with that kind of freedom, or even just a taste of that kind of freedom, comes the overpoweringly loud bleating of angry carebears who are not even remotely interested in dynamic events transpiring in their little bubble of a world; all they care about is baking bread and fetch quests. Look no further back than the pre-Wrath of the Lich King event in WoW, where players could spread plague to each other. There was so much whining and bitter tears all over, all because for a short three days of time there was something more unpredictably interesting to partake of in WoW besides watching the shark pop out of the water once again.
EVE works now as the type of game it is because those kinds of players are not what CCP are interested in, not really, and thus don't particularly cater to them. I can guarantee you that Zenimax wants those kinds of players for this game, though, and if they were to just make something like "Skyrim: Online", with the kind of freedom many would expect of such a thing, the gnashing of teeth would be endless until you end up with stupid band-aid fixes like Ultima Online had with Trammel, or what Verant did for Everquest when Fansy began his crusade against the bad guys on the no-rule server.
Yeah, it's a generic-ass bullet point list, but them just hinting at a DAoC style of PVP has me interested. Being an MMO, that also means that design is never locked-down and final like it is for single-player games, but has a bit more fluidity to it, so they could very well add things like player housing and vampires and such, likely as DLC coming from the house that gave us horse-armor.
Just remember, though, that there is a large and loud group of players who want nothing more than to pretend to be elves baking bread, and striking a balance for them and the opposing player-type is not exactly an easy thing to do, even for veteran MMO devs.
For those asking for something like EVE, you need to understand that with that kind of freedom, or even just a taste of that kind of freedom, comes the overpoweringly loud bleating of angry carebears who are not even remotely interested in dynamic events transpiring in their little bubble of a world; all they care about is baking bread and fetch quests. Look no further back than the pre-Wrath of the Lich King event in WoW, where players could spread plague to each other. There was so much whining and bitter tears all over, all because for a short three days of time there was something more unpredictably interesting to partake of in WoW besides watching the shark pop out of the water once again.
EVE works now as the type of game it is because those kinds of players are not what CCP are interested in, not really, and thus don't particularly cater to them. I can guarantee you that Zenimax wants those kinds of players for this game, though, and if they were to just make something like "Skyrim: Online", with the kind of freedom many would expect of such a thing, the gnashing of teeth would be endless until you end up with stupid band-aid fixes like Ultima Online had with Trammel, or what Verant did for Everquest when Fansy began his crusade against the bad guys on the no-rule server.
Yeah, it's a generic-ass bullet point list, but them just hinting at a DAoC style of PVP has me interested. Being an MMO, that also means that design is never locked-down and final like it is for single-player games, but has a bit more fluidity to it, so they could very well add things like player housing and vampires and such, likely as DLC coming from the house that gave us horse-armor.
Just remember, though, that there is a large and loud group of players who want nothing more than to pretend to be elves baking bread, and striking a balance for them and the opposing player-type is not exactly an easy thing to do, even for veteran MMO devs.
I guess people are saying, "I don't care enough about Elder Scrolls lore to replay DAoC and WoW jumbled into a single game in Tamriel."
Reading over the bullet points again, it makes sense this was designed in 2007, but I guess with the concept they should not try to do anything remotely new or interesting. Unfortunately for them, it's 2012 and the MMO landscape has changed a lot in five years. Most games following this model have slumped into free to play, while Tera and Guildwars 2 are the new hotness.
So the obvious answer is to take one of the worst engines around, forget the lore, and take all the gameplay ideas from wow because obviously gamers are stupid fools who have no idea how to adapt to anything new.
This is probably one of the most cynical, uninspired cash ins around. It's hilarious that you are trying to defend it.
We don't want to experience the world. One plays an Elder Scrolls game to influence the world. I never thought that an Elder Scrolls MMO would work because it would denigrate the very features that make the series great: the astounding amount of player agency both in character creation/progression and world exploration. It would be utter chaos if it thousands of players were able to influence the world like that, so instead we get Dark Age of Camelot 2 with an Elder Scrolls paint job.
Nope, not interested. I don't give a shit about the TES lore and I was already bored with WoW style combat back in 2006.
A 4 player online TES à la Borderlands could have been awesome, but from what they've told GI this just seems like a case of too little change and way too late. No doubt there are people who play MMOs anyways who will be interested in this, but I doubt it'll seduce most fans of the series.
Also, what percentage of Skyrim's total sales were on 360/PS3? How are they planning to get that audience to suscribe to a PC MMO?
A 4 player online TES à la Borderlands could have been awesome, but from what they've told GI this just seems like a case of too little change and way too late. No doubt there are people who play MMOs anyways who will be interested in this, but I doubt it'll seduce most fans of the series.
Also, what percentage of Skyrim's total sales were on 360/PS3? How are they planning to get that audience to suscribe to a PC MMO?
FieryBalrog
Member
EQ raiding doesn't compare, sorry. There is a reason most people at a raid could fall asleep smashing their face into the keyboard bound to their 1 button rotation and win, while maybe 6 people had to really pay attention - if that.
EQ raids were huge catass fests, yes. Difficult, no, except when they were bugged to shit often for months, which is not exactly a raid mechanic you want to be holding up. Or maybe you mean difficult in the sense of "get up at 3 am, sit around buffing for hours, fuck yea!"
FieryBalrog
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mysteriousmage09
Member
Cash grab for the poor unsuspecting people that buy this trash blindly.
Team Filler
Member
Don't mistake me as trying to defend the game. I'm not a big ES fan, and I don't find myself being interested in another WoW clone, but it's too early to judge the game like so many are doing, and I find it particularly irksome to see so many people who don't normally play MMO's throw out these brilliant ideas that in reality have already been tried in some previous MMO only to see it fall flat on its fucking face due to poor implementation or some other reason, sometimes even because players aren't going to play the game as you'd like them to.
Anybody who was thinking they'd get an online copy of an ES game are ignorant, or delusional.
ScepticMatt
Member
I never asked for this.
Anyway, looks like another generic MMO to me so far. I agree with the sentiment in this thread that it won't succeed with a monthly fee.
Anyway, looks like another generic MMO to me so far. I agree with the sentiment in this thread that it won't succeed with a monthly fee.
You can't influence the world in ES games. You can interact with it, but never change it in any meaningful way. Experiencing the world is exactly what those games are about.
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Well I just don't see how they teamed the Argonians with the Dunmer, unless it's understood that the Argonians are enslaved by the Dunmer.
blahblah...blah
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When I first read the announcement, I was excited, but only because I'd hoped they'd found a way to revolutionise MMO games and make them essentially like the single player TES games but with hundreds of people running about sorting shit out. Unfortunately, it sounds pretty dreadful, and I have no interest. I hope that eventually a single player game comes out with the whole continent - that would probably be their magnum opus.
Mr. Luchador
Member
So this is a reskin of DOAC with a few new elements from other MMOs?