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eh, it's probably not going to happen because lighthearted blow em up action fare is more palatable to than a dreary morally grey 'superhero' movie. This isn't me hating on Nolan's Batman, I quite like it.
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eh, it's probably not going to happen because lighthearted blow em up action fare is more palatable to than a dreary morally grey 'superhero' movie. This isn't me hating on Nolan's Batman, I quite like it.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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Not really true at all. The Dark Knight had some of the best reception of any blockbuster in recent memory (even outside of Ledger's performance), and Nolan is also coming off of Inception. Admissions wise, it won't need to increase much more than what was seen from Spider-Man 1 to 3, and I think that's more than plausible unless WB shits the bed marketing wise.
If 3D was big when BB came out I think it would have. By the time 3D came out, Nolan had enough pull. Whedon doesnt have that pull.
Also morals? What is the moral value of post conversion 3D?
Whedon wouldn't care about post conversion 3D because it has nothing to do with Morals.
DonasaurusRex
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I think Burton alienated the core audience with his take on the property. Apparently Dark Shadows has a rabid fan base from the 60's
More anecdotal evidence against Dark Shadows:
The purchasing department at work consists of 40+ year old women. When I asked them if they were going to see Dark Shadows this weekend, they all turned up their noses and said it looks like arse.
SCULLIBUNDO
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My apologies James Sinclair of 36 Parkway Ave, Hamilton East 2303. I mean, broksi!
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Compromising your film while at the same time exploiting your audiences isn't exactly morally righteous.
And Sculli, I'm a big proponent of 3D and that's why trash like Avengers 3D pisses me off so much; I've heard tons of people say they loved the movie but the 3D was shit.
Garbage like this just sullies people's opinion of 3D.
People want 3D for some reason, might as well give it to them.
I think the word you are looking for is artistic integrity. Otherwise I think you are going insane from all the salt in your veins.
It's not like it was Whedon's choice. It's been a Marvel priority since Thor that all Marvel movies be in 3D now.
I say Feige deserves the credit!
SCULLIBUNDO
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Come on, bro. It was Assistant Props decision.
Dont you know the director and writer is the most important part of a film? The producer doesnt do anything.
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If we're going to attribute every penny of this films success to Whedon than I'm going to attribute the shit tacked on 3D to him as well.
It's both lacking in artistic integrity and morally wrong.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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From what I've heard from friends, Dark Shadows isn't really the comedy that it was marketed as either, so the audience that showed up because of that isn't going to leave happy.
SCULLIBUNDO
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I don't think anybody is attributing every penny of the film's success to Whedon. It was always going to make bank with the characters starring in it. But it's abnormal success it definitely due to how Whedon handled it.
The studio is the one that makes the call on to 3D or not to 3D.
Another example: Star Trek II is going to be post-converted. Abrams was producer on the most recent MI4, but opted not to post-convert because he had much more pull between Bad Robot and Cruise.
On Trek, it's all Paramount.
I think you are downplaying craft services. No respect.
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I think it's far more likely the film's abnormal success has to do with Feige and Marvel Studios planning for this shit 4 years out and abnormally releasing 5 films as a lead up.
I wouldn't be so sure... 200m OW is not accounted for by the fanbase that was built up over 5 years.
lol if anyone is being disingenuous with credit, its you. Its Whedon's lack of moral integrity for the post conversion but Feige deserves the credit for Avengers success.
The fuck is wrong with you?
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What is it accounted for, then?
If you can admit Feige played more of a role in this films success than Whedon, then I'll credit him and Marvel Studios for the tacked on 3D.
Until then we'll all just continue to live in the land of delusion.
Nearly universal positive reviews, very strong word of mouth and... yes... Whedon's built in fan base.
I calls it like I sees it.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Not sure about the last part. Whedon's fan base is like 0.0000001 of the box office audience.
But they probably saw it 40 times more than casual fans. That adds up to .00004 percent of revenue!
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Tons of films have universally positive reviews and strong word of mouth and yet none of them have opened up to 200M --- you know why? Because they didn't have 5 films of lead up and hype backing them.
Whedon's fan base is laughably miniscule and has been proven time and time again to not be relevant as a ton of his projects have failed spectacularly.
I don't know about that, seems like salty hyperbole.
And I'm not saying the 5 previous films had nothing to do with the success, but they don't account for ALL of the success.
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Let's just say Whedon does not by any means have a consistent track record of success, then.
I'm not saying they account for all of the success either, but they damn sure account for most of it and they're the reason it's breaking all these records.
People attributing most of this success to Whedon are either disingenuous or delusional, fact is Feige should be getting way more credit than Whedon for orchestrating this entire chain of events masterfully.
Whatever, it seems to work.
SCULLIBUNDO
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irfan now putting more effort into conspiracy theories about the huge influence a certain few people have over GAF. Nice try, Hitler!
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Lol, so now the film clearly has fantastic legs, and will crush 1B, and the goalposts are being move again. Legs in particular are all Whedon, writing and directing. That massive word of mouth keeping this film earning high is proof of it. Trying to argue otherwise is embarassing.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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I'll toss my hat into this argument: The Avengers went up 12% on Saturday from midnight less Friday, and then dropped 18% on Sunday. Pretty indicative of WOM, which obviously has a lot to do with Whedon.
SCULLIBUNDO
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It sounds almost as ridiculous as PvtHudson's 1.7b Avatar prediction.
You creep, dont use my name.
Also nah creepy broheim, I'm waking up to the sad reality that you and your trio are sort of mini celebrities here and the holier-than-thou attitude is well deserved.
I should have taken the red pill earlier. Fuck the Matrix.
Didn't you back off to $95 million opening day? Got some nerve to bump it back up again, I see.
No I dropped it from $100 to $95 but the others weren't having it, so I'll stick with it.
Whedon does have a record of success when dealing with Comic related IP. But I know what you're saying.
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This was all manufactured by Feige and Marvel Studios 4 year 5 film build up not word of mouth.
la flama blanca
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I came into this thread and immediately had to leave because of all the salt.
ViewtifulJC
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GJB, what did Whedon do to you have dedicated several hundred posts in the last few months disparage him in various Avengers related threads, in any way possible?
Honestly, I'd like to know.
Honestly, I'd like to know.
la flama blanca
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SCULLIBUNDO
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In his defense, Resurrection is really awful.
Than dont make your name your user name.
SCULLIBUNDO
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I don't get how he still doesn't understand this. He made his 'nickname' (not his actual name) his original username and then wonders why after a long history of acting like a spoiled child we identify him as that pseudonym (again, the one that he chose for himself).
That isn't the same as being creepy and plastering GAF users real names around threads.
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