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[Valjean Lafitte]

What happened to people having complete faith in Retro?

I think a better question is, why would anyone be vehemently opposed to the idea Fox and company being in a Metroid game to begin with? Are anthropomorphic foxes and pheasants such a stretch when your protagonist was raised by ancient, mystical bird-people?

 

[Conor 419]

What reliance do any of the good ideas in the post have on combining the Metroid and Star Fox franchises? None. I'm not questioning whether or not Retro could make a good flight/ground exploration game. I'm questioning why in hell they'd be so insane to combine two thematically distant franchises for seemingly no good reason, when either franchise could exist independently in the design, and mixing them together will do nothing other than irritate long time fans of both?

There's no reason for both franchises to be squished together on a thematic level, and mechanics are universal.

It's double franchise suicide.

Interesting, because I imagine Nintendo are hoping to see it as a double franchise revival. If this does turn out to be true, I imagine the 'Retro could work on Zelda one day' comments are a result of being impressed with what Retro have done with this game.

I'll reserve my judgement for E3, but from a gameplay, sound and visual perspective at least. This could be fantastic.

 

[Hot Coldman]

It absolutely is.

You're forgetting that the few details we 'know' of the game so far heavily emphasise that both sections will be reminiscent of the atmosphere that the respective ip's are known for, and the characters ALSO don't meet up to very later on, suggesting very minimal interaction.

Doesn't matter. At some point, the isolation Metroid is known for would be interrupted by a talking woodland animal. This would make for a worse experience. Tonally, it's fucked.

Also, even if I was interested in seeing Fox and Samus meet up, it would be hugely disappointing and a waste of both the player's and developers' time to have it only be a late-game event of "minimal interaction". Everyone loses.

This title, if real. Is clearly Nintendo thinking it'd be safer to appeal to two audiences than one, especially when Metroid Prime 4 or Starfox U alone would require significant financial investment. So yes, if anything it would seem closer to 'The Orange Box' than the Saturday Morning Cartoon that everyone else seems to be anticipating.

Both audiences would hate and reject this game for reason I established above. The game would bomb horribly and, well, go read EatChildren's post again. If this literally was "two Nintendo games on one disc, waooahh!" then you have a point, but it's not, for reasons I established above, so you don't.

Lastly, we haven't seen anything. So much like the Rareware thread, the Wii U thread and all the other threads were people are getting angry over something they are yet to even see, don't judge the title until we actually know what it'll be like.

OK, I'm gonna come round your house and paint a picture of the French Riviera on your kitchen floor using a big red dildo and a bucket of my own shite. Oh, but don't judge it yet, you don't actually know what it'll be like. You haven't seen anything.

If we didn't dismiss terrible ideas, we'd be fucking nowhere.

 

[NeoGohan]

Every other rumor is starting to make sense after this one

 

[Coolwhip]

I seriously cannot understand how anybody could seriously humour the blending of Star Fox and Metroid universes as a good thing. Why. Why.

Not everyone is emotionally attached to videogame franchises :>

 

[Kokonoe]

I think a better question is, why would anyone be vehemently opposed to the idea Fox and company being in a Metroid game to begin with? Are anthropomorphic foxes and pheasants such a stretch when your protagonist was raised by ancient, mystical bird-people?

No, it's not. Another thing is both of these games take part on multiple planets, in space and are futuristic.

So, I don't see the issue here.

 

[Valjean Lafitte]

Doesn't matter. At some point, the isolation Metroid is known for would be interrupted by a talking woodland animal. This would make for a worse experience. Tonally, it's fucked.

Well gosh, it's a good thing Samus wasn't raised by talking bird people.

Not everyone is emotionally attached to videogame franchises :>

Indeed. Case in point: I once spent an afternoon dreaming up a Paper Mario-esque Metroid game. Oh, the horror!

 

[Silver_DNA]

This sounds like it could be really dumb or the coolest fucking thing ever created.

If true it's further proof that all of Nintendo's franchises are in the same universe. The planet Samus lands on is the Pikmin planet. An F-Zero pilot goes so fast he warps time and space, ends up in Hyrule, and picks up Link to help defeat Star Wolf. And so on.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Well gosh, it's a good thing Samus wasn't raised by talking bird people.

Bird people who never appear in the game.

 

[Rich!]

Well gosh, it's a good thing Samus wasn't raised by talking bird people.

Well gosh, it's a good thing the entire race didn't become extinct.

Because that's what they are, and always have been throughout the series. They're dead.

 

[Nemesis_]

This sounds like a risk of Other M proportions. I would be keen to see it, I like ambitious, unlikely projects like this. Hoping for it to materialise to be honest - Retro have not failed us yet.

 

[gerudoman]

Urgh. Thankfully it's a false rumour, because they just don't go together.

 

[LSauchelli]

Well, considering the Chozo are bird people, and Ridley is basically a Pokémon... it could be true. But I'd rather just have the "Star Fox Levels" just be with Samus' gunship.

 

[jonno394]

This sounds like it could be really dumb or the coolest fucking thing ever created.

If true it's further proof that all of Nintendo's franchises are in the same universe. The planet Samus lands on is the Pikmin planet. An F-Zero pilot goes so fast he warps time and space, ends up in Hyrule, and picks up Link to help defeat Star Wolf. And so on.

I'd buy it.

 

[Htown]

What reliance do any of the good ideas in the post have on combining the Metroid and Star Fox franchises? None. I'm not questioning whether or not Retro could make a good flight/ground exploration game. I'm questioning why in hell they'd be so insane to combine two thematically distant franchises for seemingly no good reason, when either franchise could exist independently in the design, and mixing them together will do nothing other than irritate long time fans of both?

There's no reason for both franchises to be squished together on a thematic level, and mechanics are universal.

It's double franchise suicide.

Nintendo's Star Fox and Metroid franchises are both in kind of a bad place right now, after the recent bad Star Fox releases and Other M. Retro's basically the Old Franchise Savior for Nintendo, so maybe they figured it's time to fix both at once?

And I'm pretty sure it's hinted in other games that all Nintendo's space franchises take place in the same universe. I don't see what would be so terrible about a game where you play some Metroid, then you play some StarFox.

That said, I'm pretty sure this rumor is entirely bullshit. It's just that there's no reason to be so pessimistic if it's true.

 

[EatChildren]

Given the arguments here why Star Fox and Metroid would fit well together, we might as well throw in Alien, Avatar, Predator, and Star Wars too. They're all sci fis with spaceships and animal aliens. What could possibly go wrong?

 

[bomma_man]

2001 x clock work orange would be a sick movie.

 

[Valjean Lafitte]

Bird people who never appear in the game.

Right. Except their existence is made known throughout Prime, and you fight their ghosts.
But even if I concede your point, all those official comic tie-ins Nintendo made must be rubbish since there the bird people do interact with Samus.

 

[Oppo]

This thread is a laugh riot.

"guys, seriously, fucked up shit happens in Starfox... It's soooo dark"

can't stop laughing at some of the responses.

seems like a dumb rumor but it sure hit a nerve with the Nintendo faithful, didn't it.

Are anthropomorphic foxes and pheasants such a stretch when your protagonist was raised by ancient, mystical bird-people?

exactly, thank you!

 

[Kacho]

What a terribly stupid rumor. No way is this a thing.

 

[Kokonoe]

Given the arguments here why Star Fox and Metroid would fit well together, we might as well throw in Alien, Avatar, Predator, and Star Wars too. They're all sci fis with spaceships and animal aliens. What could possibly go wrong?

You are saying it wouldn't work, and i'm trying to figure out how that would be. Mind stating why you think it wouldn't work?

 

[Rich!]

You are saying it wouldn't work, and i'm trying to figure out how that would be. Mind stating why you think it wouldn't work?

Because it's fucking retarded.







Long story though: They're tonally completely different franchises. It's like mixing WALL-E with ALIEN.

 

[FartOfWar]

Interesting, because I imagine Nintendo are hoping to see it as a double franchise revival. If this does turn out to be true, I imagine the 'Retro could work on Zelda one day' comments are a result of being impressed with what Retro have done with this game.

I'll reserve my judgement for E3, but from a gameplay, sound and visual perspective at least. This could be fantastic.

Again: Will you go on record now claiming that you believe there's validity to this "rumor"? And if so, will you agree to encourage other members to "Pfft" and speed scroll past all subsequent posts you make in any thread after this Guiseppe Contelli-grade fan fic has been proven false?

 

[Linkhero1]

What the fuck is this shit. Sounds awful. I hope it's not true. Where's my new ip? I know it's a rumor, but shit.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Right. Except their existence is made known throughout Prime, and you fight their ghosts.
But even I concede your point, all those comics Nintendo made must be rubbish because there the bird people do interact with Samus.

OK, I'm talking out the core intrinsic experience, yeah? Tonally, the Chozo work, because they're weird bird things. They're not Falco. They're blatantly alien. In the manga, sure, they're like Egyptian god things, but when I'm playing Prime, I never have an experience where I go "these Chozo things are a bit uncanny". They work. The Chozo don't ruin the experience of playing Prime, they've been designed otherwise.

 

[linko9]

Before SFA or even before Other M, I would have been strongly opposed to this idea... but now I don't really give a shit, they might as well. It actually sounds like it could be pretty damn cool.

Long story though: They're tonally completely different franchises. It's like mixing WALL-E with ALIEN.

I'd be down for that.

 

[Grecco]

This seems completely believable!



believably idiotic.

 

[Valjean Lafitte]

This thread is a laugh riot.

"guys, seriously, fucked up siot happens in Starfox... It's soooo dark"

can't stop laughing at some of the responses.



exactly, thank you!

If you honestly do think that the Starfox franchise isn't at all dark, then I'd venture to guess
you've only played Starfox 64. Starting with Assault, arguably Adventures, the series got a whole lot less campy.

 

[antispin]

I hope this is true. It would be glorious!111

 

[Rich!]

If you honestly do think that the Starfox franchise isn't at all dark, then I'd venture to guess
you've only played Starfox 64. Starting with Assault, arguably Adventures, the series got a whole lot less campy.

Dude, it's a frog, a rabbit, a fox and a falcon flying around in space ships, shouting absurd dialogue and fighting a giant monkey.

 

[Roo]

that's not a game a I want them to do...

Spoiler

lololololololol

 

[Oppo]

If you honestly do think that the Starfox franchise isn't at all dark, then I'd venture to guess
you've only played Starfox 64. Starting with Assault, arguably Adventures, the series got a whole lot less campy.

Throw a brother a cutscene or YouTube clip?

Like is there even any blood in these games? I thought they were firmly G rated.

 

[Conor 419]

Doesn't matter. At some point, the isolation Metroid is known for would be interrupted by a talking woodland animal. This would make for a worse experience. Tonally, it's fucked.

Also, even if I was interested in seeing Fox and Samus meet up, it would be hugely disappointing and a waste of both the player's and developers' time to have it only be a late-game event of "minimal interaction". Everyone loses.

So what you're saying. Is that if Retro 'got it right' and maintained the sense of isolation in the Metroid part of the game* and kept independent from the Starfox half. It'd suck anyway because Nintendo didn't make them meet up and ruin the game, which would be disappointing?

*(and yes, part. Note how the rumour states that you can complete the Metroid half before even starting the Starfox half, suggesting MINIMAL interaction)

Both audiences would hate and reject this game for reason I established above.

Doubt it. The game will obviously look, sound and play well. Which is usually more than enough reason for a Nintendo fan to get it

If this literally was "two Nintendo games on one disc, waooahh!" then you have a point, but it's not, for reasons I established above, so you don't.

It actually sounds like it is, if you read the OP.

OK, I'm gonna come round your house and paint a picture of the French Riviera on your kitchen floor using a big red dildo and a bucket of my own shite. Oh, but don't judge it yet, you don't actually know what it'll be like. You haven't seen anything.

Bad analogy. If this were to happen, the level of detail I'd know so far is that you're going to come round my house and paint a picture, which sounds pretty cool.

If we didn't dismiss terrible ideas, we'd be fucking nowhere.

Depends what a 'terrible' idea is.

 

[tkscz]

Given the arguments here why Star Fox and Metroid would fit well together, we might as well throw in Alien, Avatar, Predator, and Star Wars too. They're all sci fis with spaceships and animal aliens. What could possibly go wrong?

Give me a reason why they couldn't.

Tone? Both franchises are quite dark in their tone.

Melodrama in starfox? Melodrama is something they both suffer from. Other M is the biggest piece of melodrama I've ever seen.

Anthropomorphic Animal characters? Samus got her suit and is infused with the DNA of Anthropomorphic birds.

Is there anything else that's keeping them apart?

It's like mixing WALL-E with ALIEN.

That comparison makes no sense.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Star Fox does have plenty of shit that gives it a bit of an edge, but it's just aping action movies and the like. Lylatwars cribs so much from Hollywood it's unreal, and the tone is part of that. It's meant to be taken as seriously as Die Hard.

 

[kittens]

This sounds like a bad bad bad idea.

 

[SpacePirate Ridley]

What reliance do any of the good ideas in the post have on combining the Metroid and Star Fox franchises? None. I'm not questioning whether or not Retro could make a good flight/ground exploration game. I'm questioning why in hell they'd be so insane to combine two thematically distant franchises for seemingly no good reason, when either franchise could exist independently in the design, and mixing them together will do nothing other than irritate long time fans of both?

There's no reason for both franchises to be squished together on a thematic level, and mechanics are universal.

It's double franchise suicide.

As I said, if the game was fucking amazing, with amazing graphics, amazing sound, amazing and true to each franchise roots gameplay (the rumour says it would only mix really at the end, what I suppose its just means some Smash Bros fun intros and nothing more), with a quirk and fun story (andross and Mother Brain united, nothing more than that), im pretty sure it would save both franchises. If Retro releases what I said above, a game that seems batshit insane from the idea but at the end is an amazing experience in all its sections, and the game was released with the wiiU or near its launch, it would sell a fucking ton.

I think people here are taking it too seriously, and others are saying stupid things like turning both franchises into furry sonic, something that will surely not happen.

But dont worry eatchildren, im pretty sure this rumour is not true and only pieces of whats going about in retro that have been mixed badly to create this rumour. maybe they have concepts for a new metroid, and Starfox done by them, being two totally separate games and some source heres something, the other ones mixes them and it cames to this.

 

[Valjean Lafitte]

Dude, it's a frog, a rabbit, a fox and a falcon flying around in a ship shouting absurd dialogue and fighting a giant monkey.

I almost linked to a cut scene from Command as a rebuttal to this, but then I realized that there's just no changing a dudebro's opinion on cartoon animals. Whatever. Other people can see the story and dialogue for what it is, and that's all that matters.

 

[Box]

Ehhhhhh why are some people saying StarFox has a dark or serious tone? Can I get some examples here?

 

[Rich!]

I almost linked to a cut scene from Command as a rebuttal to this, but then I realized that there's just no changing a dudebro's opinion on cartoon animals.

My favourite game of all time is Xenoblade. Yeah, totally dudebro.

 

[Linkhero1]

Ehhhhhh why are some people saying StarFox has a dark or serious tone? Can I get some examples here?

The part where you do a barrel roll into that building in SF64. Shit...those were some dark days.

 

[Shahadan]

Sounds as stupid as a Metroid FPS amirite.

(probably already beaten)

 

[Akibastman]

You konw who's winning in this thread ? Paul Gale.

Because we're gonna have a 10+ page long thread about his batshit crazy wet dreams.

Stop arguing. Never gonna happen.

 

[Conor 419]

Yeah, I think the difference here is that I'm expecting two different story modes which are for the most part entirely independent from each-other with a subtle cameo meetup (Think Halo: Reach - Master Chief) at the end.

Everyone else seems to be imagining Sonic 06 x Other: M x Super Mario Brothers Movie.

 

[EatChildren]

You are saying it wouldn't work, and i'm trying to figure out how that would be. Mind stating why you think it wouldn't work?

Because they're thematically different franchise. Simply being science fiction with animal aliens isn't enough. Both Star Fox and Metroid have established lore and history grounded in different themes.

Star Fox is a tongue-in-cheek Thunderbirds-like alternate reality with anthropomorphic heroes and villains based on real world animal species: dogs, wolves, falcons, pigs, and so on. Star Fox can be surprisingly grim and serious at times, but the universe itself has always been a cheesy anthropomorphic reality. It has been consistent in this as well. Star Fox Adventures plays in the idea by introducing a planet full of talking dinosaurs.

On the other hand, Metroid has always taken itself a bit more serious. In art, themes and lore, Metroid attempts to create a more realistic 'science fiction' universe not unlike Alien (which was influential in designing the first Metroid). Yes, there's bird people, but they're simply an avian based space faring species. Space pirates are just aliens, nothing more. Every other creature you meet in the series is a uniquely developed life form used to convey the evolutionary lifeforms that inhabit particular planets. On top of this, Metroid has crafted a specific, human based lore and universe, something Star Fox has not.

Lastly, both series utilise different art directions. Star Fox has always had a more comical, puppet like like to proportions and designs, meanwhile Metroid has kept itself grounded, with realistic proportions to architecture, armour, weapons and creature design.

They're no more or less incompatible than the examples I mentioned, but the point is that combining them is completely unnecessary and problematic when staying true to the franchise' origins. It requires changes be made to either one series or both, on a thematical and artistic level, to combine them in a way that wouldn't come across as a gimmicky Smash Bros.-esque crossover.

In terms of the design, there's nothing written there that couldn't work wonderfully as a stand alone Star Fox game, or a stand alone Metroid game. Combining the two will do little more than alienate majority of the fanbases for both franchise, while creating a weird hybrid that I cannot see appealing to anyone other than a niche audience. If Nintendo did this, it would be clear their interest is not in growing either franchise, but killing them and rebooting them for a new generation.

And that I'm not interested in.

 

[SpacePirate Ridley]

Lol at people saying that StarFox is really serious. The only serious things is the shitty story in Assault, and that was horrible as it take itself to seriously. Even Command's melodrama was comical, it was about taking itself not seriously, something some people did.
You can have a game with wars, deaths and a maniac as a villian, but if the game is just being tongue in cheek in its delivery, I assure you its not serious in the slightest.

 

[tkscz]

Ehhhhhh why are some people saying StarFox has a dark or serious tone? Can I get some examples here?

Lets see. WAR for one is never light. You kill other pilots. The apperoid queen taking over Pigma was really fucked up. The ENTIRE STORY OF COMMAND. The tone of the games are never light. Even 64 had entire cities being destroyed right in front of you.

 

[Kai Dracon]

If true, it's like Nintendo is punishing people for how they reacted to Other M.

"Don't like babby? Well... well... FOX KISSES SAMUS! NYAH!"

 

[EmCeeGramr]

when fox fought the giant robo aphids or whatever i was so moved

 

[Hot Coldman]

So what you're saying. Is that if Retro 'got it right' and maintained the sense of isolation in the Metroid part of the game* and kept independent from the Starfox half. It'd suck anyway because Nintendo didn't make them meet up and ruin the game, which would be disappointing?

*(and yes, part. Note how the rumour states that you can complete the Metroid half before even starting the Starfox half, suggesting MINIMAL interaction)

The fuck are you talking about? It'd suck because they meet up. This thing involves them meeting up. That would suck. They would fail to maintain the isolation because they meet up. That would suck. If you're a crazy person who wants this pair-up, the meeting would be short and last-minute. That would suck (for crazy people). No-one wins!

Doubt it. The game will obviously look, sound and play well. Which is usually more than enough reason for a Nintendo fan to get it

What happened to we haven't seen anything? I'm a Nintendo fan and I wouldn't touch this shit with a bargepole.

It actually sounds like it is, if you read the OP.

No it doesn't. It's not two separate games, it's one game. Again- the fuck are you talking about? Are you Paul Gale in disguise? He's already got a GAF account you know, alts aren't appreciated.

Depends what a 'terrible' idea is.

Something you're oblivious to.