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[Slavik81]

Canada is divided in so many ways, people in alberta think people in BC are all asians , rich or old and that people in Saskatchewan are retarded, manitoba doesn't exist because it's never mentioned except in the statement "the only place with shittier weather then edmonton is Winnipeg" , ontario is , and repeat this with as Canadian an accent as you can muster "the center o' deh fooking universe eh". Nova scotia, new brunswick, newfoundland and PEI may as well be one place , it's where fort mcmurrey gets all their new employees from. Lastly, quebec on the whole by albertans seems to be hated , mostly because the average albertan is uneducated when it comes to any kind of canadian history, I believe alberta is the only province that passed provincial legislation keeping english as the only language despite that federally canada supports both and there's even french communities within the province.

This is just my 2nd hand experience having been an albertan for 29 years so far We are basically the racist morons of the north.

I can't find any source to this. As far as I can tell, the only meaningful responsibility of provinces is to provide schooling in French, which Alberta does to similar extents as other western provinces. I took French-only schooling for a while myself.

If you're curious about the language breakdown in different provinces, statscan has some stuff.

 

[lunarworks]

Funny thing about that is that quebec is more hardcore about translations than france.

KFC in France:

KFC PFK in Quebec:

Ridiculous language laws.

 

[Ether_Snake]

It's very simple. The ROC sees Quebecers the same way the Tea Party sees people who vote for Obama.

That's pretty much it.

 

[Kak.efes]

It's probably the most culturally distinctive Canadian province there is.

 

[Zekes!]

Funny thing about that is that quebec is more hardcore about translations than france.

This is something that always confused us learning about Quebec in school

 

[TemplaerDude]

They speak French really weird.

 

[Extra Sauce]

Seems like they think they are better than the rest of us and are entitled to more than they are.

And I wish they would shut up about trying to separate, not gonna happen guys.

You have your own language and cultural identity, why can't we have ours? Seems to me like you're the one who feels entitled to more than we are.

Agree about separation not happening though.

 

[jet1911]

KFC in France:

KFC PFK in Quebec:

Ridiculous language laws.

Poulet Frit Kentucky. Nothing wrong with that.

The one thing that I find fascinating in Quebec is how we're able to have a "star system" of our own. It'S like a mini Hollywood with all our movies and TV shows.

 

[Ether_Snake]

This is something that always confused us learning about Quebec in school

This is also simple if you bother to actually understand the situation:

France will always speak French. Quebec is surrounded part of an English country, which is part of an English monarchy, and have the biggest English-speaking country south of the border.

Basically, yes, we have to actually try to protect our language, unlike France.

Until a few decades ago, any store clerk in Montreal would serve us in English. Law 101 has helped, but it hasn't been enough.

Seriously, trying to explain to others why Quebecers feel the way they do is like a Jew trying to explain why it's important for him to preserve his heritage. People have trouble understanding it, but for the person himself it is perfectly clear and easy to understand, but there is little interest in trying to convince others. We don't need your acknowledgement.

 

[gabbo]

Seems like they think they are better than the rest of us and are entitled to more than they are.

And I wish they would shut up about trying to separate, not gonna happen guys.

They're willing to fight for what they actually are entitled to/believe in; provincially and federally. The rest of the country sees them as spoiled children, with a persecution complex, but it's really because we're too lazy to do anything like that ourselves.

I don't have love for some of their politicians or the separatist movement, but god damn do I love Quebec.

This is also simple if you bother to actually understand the situation:

France will always speak French. Quebec is surrounded part of an English country, which is part of an English monarchy, and have the biggest English-speaking country south of the border.

Basically, yes, we have to actually try to protect our language, unlike France.

Until a few decades ago, any store clerk in Montreal would serve us in English. Law 101 has helped, but it hasn't been enough.

Seriously, trying to explain to others why Quebecers feel the way they do is like a Jew trying to explain why it's important for him to preserve his heritage. People have trouble understanding it, but for the person himself it is perfectly clear and easy to understand, but there is little interest in trying to convince others. We don't need your acknowledgement.

I've started comparing it to how Canadians view Aboriginals and their situations: it was a long time ago, get over it, be like us.
That might seem like I'm shitting on both their, but I'm not, I feel both catch a lot of flack unfairly for it..

 

[Extra Sauce]

This is something that always confused us learning about Quebec in school

It's because in France, they don't need these measures to maintain their language.

In Quebec, we're 5 million french-speaking people surrounded with 300 million english-speaking people. Strict laws are the only way to avoid assimilation, and even then it's far from guaranteed at this point.

 

[ameratsu]

This spin certainly isn't helping QC right now. I saw this shit and laughed. What a bullshit, sensationalist cover. It's offensive to think that the rest of English Canada will most likely see this and take it as 100% wholesale truth.

But hey, "Fuck today's youths and their iPhones," right?

It's Mcleans. I live a few minutes away from "Canada's Worst Neighbourhood". Take it with a grain of salt.

 

[criesofthepast]

Canada isn't Canada without Quebec. If they seperated it would devastate the country which is why it'll never happen.

Torontonian here.

 

[IceCold]

This is also simple if you bother to actually understand the situation:

France will always speak French. Quebec is surrounded part of an English country, which is part of an English monarchy, and have the biggest English-speaking country south of the border.

Basically, yes, we have to actually try to protect our language, unlike France.

Until a few decades ago, any store clerk in Montreal would serve us in English. Law 101 has helped, but it hasn't been enough.

Seriously, trying to explain to others why Quebecers feel the way they do is like a Jew trying to explain why it's important for him to preserve his heritage. People have trouble understanding it, but for the person himself it is perfectly clear and easy to understand, but there is little interest in trying to convince others. We don't need your acknowledgement.

True but it's pretty stupid that things like Stop or Exit signs or even signs that depict danger such as in the Metro (haut voltage!) are in French. Those things should be either in English or bilingual.

 

[Ether_Snake]

Poulet Frit Kentucky. Nothing wrong with that.

The one thing that I find fascinating in Quebec is how we're able to have a "star system" of our own. It'S like a mini Hollywood with all our movies and TV shows.

Have you ever listend to English-Montreal radio? They talk ONLY about American TV shows, American celebrities, American music bands, American gossip.

French radio speaks about 80% about our own stuff, and the rest is US. Canada has nothing, because, well, it really has nothing.

 

[les papillons sexuels]

I love quebec, screw the haters. Tons of our culture is there, it has some beautiful cities and some great people.

 

[jet1911]

Have you ever listend to English-Montreal radio? They talk ONLY about American TV shows, American celebrities, American music bands, American gossip.

I don't live in Montreal, so no, but I'm not really surprised.

 

[Ether_Snake]

True but it's pretty stupid that things like Stop or Exit signs or even signs that depict danger such as in the Metro (haut voltage!) are in French. Those things should be either in English or bilingual.

Why is it stupid? How does it matter to you that in the TV ads the person says "Mangez du bon Poulet-Frit Kentucky!"? And we're supposed to be the ones who think they are the world's navel, really?

Lay down on the couch, tell me more.

 

[kswiston]

Have you ever listend to English-Montreal radio? They talk ONLY about American TV shows, American celebrities, American music bands, American gossip.

French radio speaks about 80% about our own stuff, and the rest is US. Canada has nothing, because, well, it really has nothing.

That's not really true. I have lived in both Ontario and Quebec City (granted I was only in Quebec for a year), and while Quebec media does celebrate its own stuff more than Ontario media, Ontario media talks a lot about Canadian news and culture.

 

[SolKane]

Don't forget that stop signs in France say STOP and stop signs in Quebec say ARRETE

They say courriel instead of email !

 

[gabbo]

The one thing that I find fascinating in Quebec is how we're able to have a "star system" of our own. It'S like a mini Hollywood with all our movies and TV shows.

This ties into the preservation and building of Quebec culture. I wish English CBC was half of a half as good at creating content worth watching/listening to as its French counterpart, and the film business as well. Share more, please!

 

[Cake Boss]

Live in Gatineau (Quebec) but work in Ottawa and do everything there. I get to experience both Canadas.

At the end Quebec is Canada with a different language with 3rd world country level of roads and streets with no plans to fix them at all, and the people are more rude.

 

[Hieberrr]

I tried learning French on my own just because I was interested in Quebec and fuck it... French is difficult as shit. Language structure makes absolutely no sense to me no matter how I look at it

 

[kswiston]

This ties into the preservation and building of Quebec culture. I wish English CBC was half of a half as good at creating content worth watching as its French counterpart, and the film business as well. Share more, please!

English Canada gets all its talent and shooting locations poached by Hollywood. Vancouver and Toronto are big movie towns but most of the money comes from the US. All are best comedians and prettiest people just go work for Hollywood, maybe returning to Canadian film to slum it every once in awhile.

 

[IceCold]

Why is it stupid? How does it matter to you that in the TV ads the person says "Mangez du bon Poulet-Frit Kentucky!"? And we're supposed the ones who think they are the world's navel, really?

Lay down on the couch.

Because those are signs that anybody, such as tourist should understand? Using the current lingua franca of the world is a good way to do just that. Making them bilingual would be a good compromise and the most natural option imo. I also doubt that having a Stop sign, say Stop or Stop/Arrêt will affect the state of the French language in Quebec.

 

[Quick]

True but it's pretty stupid that things like Stop or Exit signs or even signs that depict danger such as in the Metro (haut voltage!) are in French. Those things should be either in English or bilingual.

Why is it stupid? How does it matter to you that in the TV ads the person says "Mangez du bon Poulet-Frit Kentucky!"? And we're supposed to be the ones who think they are the world's navel, really?

Lay down on the couch, tell me more.

I don't really care about food establishments or places being named in French, but I absolutely agree about public signs being bilingual.

The signs in Ontario (and assuming westwards, too) are bilingual, so I know those, but I was completely oblivious to some of the other signs while I was in Montreal.

 

[blame space]

I miss metal alien

 

[Loofy]

Have you ever listend to English-Montreal radio? They talk ONLY about American TV shows, American celebrities, American music bands, American gossip.

French radio speaks about 80% about our own stuff, and the rest is US. Canada has nothing, because, well, it really has nothing.

I would say thats a good thing. The 20% canadian content thats forced on the radio is terrible.
Im against culture laws protecting canadian english content too. I hate that MTV is banned in canada, we get some weird muchmusic version that licenses the MTV name.

 

[Tiktaalik]

This spin certainly isn't helping QC right now. I saw this shit and laughed. What a bullshit, sensationalist cover. It's offensive to think that the rest of English Canada will most likely see this and take it as 100% wholesale truth.

But hey, "Fuck today's youths and their iPhones," right?

This goes to what I was saying on the first page about how the media with an agenda plays up the division between the provinces.

 

[PastorOfMuppets]

Montrealer here.

I'm not French or English. The English don't really consider me to be one of them and the French will never consider me Quebecois because my ancestors did not get off the boat with Champlain or Cartier but Nguyen and Tran.

Personally, I think it's kind of weird how much the rest of Canada hates Quebec so much but get so mad at separatists. Separatists want to ween Quebec off of Canada - the federalists parties have historically been the parties that have tried to "bribe" Quebec into staying.

As far as the issue of separation, I'm not saying I don't trust a movement that is made up of white people who use their ethnic identity as the source of nationalism...no, actually's that's exactly why I don't trust that movement. I think I'd be worst off in a separate Quebec than one that's attached to Canada. It's no secret among non-whites that there's a serious problem of overt racism in Quebec.

 

[gabbo]

English Canada gets all its talent and shooting locations poached by Hollywood. Vancouver and Toronto are big movie towns but most of the money comes from the US. All are best comedians and prettiest people just go work for Hollywood, maybe returning to Canadian film to slum it every once in awhile.

That shouldn't matter. If networks other than the CBC put actual money into producing content here, for consumption here, it can star the same 5 actors for all I care, if it's quality programming. News shouldn't count towards the required Canadian content.

 

[Hieberrr]

Montrealer here.

I'm not French or English. The English don't really consider me to be one of them and the French will never consider me Quebecois because my ancestors did not get off the boat with Champlain or Cartier but Nguyen and Tran.

Personally, I think it's kind of weird how much the rest of Canada hates Quebec so much but get so mad at separatists. Separatists want to ween Quebec off of Canada - the federalists parties have historically been the parties that have tried to "bribe" Quebec into staying.

As far as the issue of separation, I'm not saying I don't trust a movement that is made up of white people who use their ethnic identity as the source of nationalism...no, actually's that's exactly why I don't trust that movement. I think I'd be worst off in a separate Quebec than one that's attached to Canada. It's no secret among non-whites that there's a serious problem of overt racism in Quebec.

Props for being Viet ;P

 

[Fou-Lu]

My best friend in my early teen years was from Quebec, (I'm from BC BTW) so I definitely have no qualms against the people, and the separatist movement dying down made me able to feel like they are more part of our country.

Hell, I'm even considering transferring to McGill University since my University doesn't offer everything I need. (Along with U of T and Waterloo, might just go south to UBC, I'd like to spend more time outside of BC though.)

 

[zer0blivion]

KFC in France:

KFC PFK in Quebec:

Ridiculous language laws.

I heard somewhere that, because of the Quebec language laws, Wendy's and some others uses a maple leaf in place of an apostrophe rather than spend extra money to design French signs/logos etc. Wendy's is considered English while

or

isn't. Tim Horton's dropped the apostrophe altogether sometime in the 90s.

 

[Ether_Snake]

That's not really true. I have lived in both Ontario and Quebec City (granted I was only in Quebec for a year), and while Quebec media does celebrate its own stuff more than Ontario media, Ontario media talks a lot about Canadian news and culture.

Listen to CKUT in Montreal.

 

[Ether_Snake]

Because those are signs that anybody, such as tourist should understand? Using the current lingua franca of the world is a good way to do just that. Making them bilingual would be a good compromise and the most natural option imo. I also doubt that having a Stop sign, say Stop or Stop/Arrêt will affect the state of the French language in Quebec.

lol. Yes, let's design our language protection laws so that the family from Washington can understand that PFK=KFC!

And if Arret won't change anything, whyumad? Are you bothered by how things are spelled in Italy, Israel, China?

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

This is also simple if you bother to actually understand the situation:

France will always speak French. Quebec is surrounded part of an English country, which is part of an English monarchy, and have the biggest English-speaking country south of the border.

Basically, yes, we have to actually try to protect our language, unlike France.

Until a few decades ago, any store clerk in Montreal would serve us in English. Law 101 has helped, but it hasn't been enough.

Seriously, trying to explain to others why Quebecers feel the way they do is like a Jew trying to explain why it's important for him to preserve his heritage. People have trouble understanding it, but for the person himself it is perfectly clear and easy to understand, but there is little interest in trying to convince others. We don't need your acknowledgement.

Personally, I think having an open, tolerant, and welcoming society is more important than the novelty of preserving the french language. Thats just me though. I know some people really like Disneyland.

 

[Divvy]

Hey thanks for comparing the entire rest of us in Canada to the tea party nutjobs Ether.

 

[Hieberrr]

Personally, I think having an open, tolerant, and welcoming society is more important than the novelty of preserving the french language. Thats just me though. I know some people really like Disneyland.

It is, but phasing out a language and culture isn't being very open nor tolerant.

 

[Ether_Snake]

Montrealer here.

I'm not French or English. The English don't really consider me to be one of them and the French will never consider me Quebecois because my ancestors did not get off the boat with Champlain or Cartier but Nguyen and Tran.

Personally, I think it's kind of weird how much the rest of Canada hates Quebec so much but get so mad at separatists. Separatists want to ween Quebec off of Canada - the federalists parties have historically been the parties that have tried to "bribe" Quebec into staying.

As far as the issue of separation, I'm not saying I don't trust a movement that is made up of white people who use their ethnic identity as the source of nationalism...no, actually's that's exactly why I don't trust that movement. I think I'd be worst off in a separate Quebec than one that's attached to Canada. It's no secret among non-whites that there's a serious problem of overt racism in Quebec.

WOW. How wrong. This is completely false. There are/were minorities in the Bloc Quebecois, there are in the Parti Quebecois, those people are voted in power by the people, and I know a LOT of minorities who are in favor of sovereignty. אתה לא מבין.

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

It is, but phasing out a language and culture isn't being very open nor tolerant.

Who's phasing out what?

 

[Hieberrr]

Who's phasing out what?

My point is, if you don't preserve the language, you'll end up losing everything associated with it. I wouldn't call it a novelty.

 

[Tiktaalik]

I really don't see why the signs should be in English. The official language of the province is French and the massive majority of people speak French. According to Wikipedia, which cites the 2006 census:

Quebec first language (only know this language):
French 5,877,660 80.1%
English 575,555 7.8%
Italian 124,820 1.7%

In contrast the data for BC is:
English 2,875,770 71.5%
Chinese languages 342,920 8.5%
Punjabi 158,750 4.0%

You don't see folks going on that all the signs in BC should also be in Mandarin and Cantonese.

I'm probably the only BCer that thinks that Bill 101 makes sense and is a good idea.

 

[Pachinko]

I've started comparing it to how Canadians view Aboriginals and their situations: it was a long time ago, get over it, be like us.
.

This right here sums up my earlier post much quicker, it's the attitude of anyone over 50 for much of the rest of canada I think.

 

[Ether_Snake]

They don't get it because they inherently view Quebec as an English colony. They will never understand, as a nation, Quebecers.

Go tell an American-Jew who wants to live in Israel that "Hey you could stay in the US, we have the same values, you were born and raised here, you speak English like everyone else, you are really American like any other American, your kids are fine here". Any Jew here can understand the implications, and why this is wrong to many Jewish people.

Well, we're even more fucking different than that, and we can't go home, apparently. We just have to trust Canada that everything will be fine for our future generations if we stay.

edit found a translated version: Watch this, maybe some people who want to understand will get a better idea: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wU2r_oyZDE&cc=1

 

[IceCold]

lol. Yes, let's design our language protection laws so that the family from Washington can understand that PFK=KFC!

And if Arret won't change anything, whyumad? Are you bothered by how things are spelled in Italy, Israel, China?

Dude I don't care about PFK/KFC. I'm talking about road/warning/danger signs that are only in French.

EU countries have things like stop signs written English btw. Many countries around the world also have it in bilingual. Those who don't, should have it in bilingual as well.

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

My point is, if you don't preserve the language, you'll end up losing everything associated with it. I wouldn't call it a novelty.

You would if you thought about it for more than 2 seconds.

They don't get it because they inherently view Quebec as an English colony. They will never understand, as a nation, Quebecers.

Go tell an American-Jew who wants to live in Israel that "Hey you could stay in the US, we have the same values, you were born and raised here, you speak English like everyone else, you are really American like any other American, your kids are fine here". Any Jew here can understand the implications, and why this is wrong to many Jewish people.

Well, we're even more fucking different than that, and we can't go home, apparently. We just have to trust Canada that everything will be fine for our future generations if we stay.

:lol

The difference has nothing to do with that. Its just a difference in political views. You're a pretty standard conservative. You want to preserve what you have now because your national identity provides you with a sense of self-worth. And you're only willing to accept changes if they come from within - from those you already consider to be part of your society. That makes you insular too.

 

[Ether_Snake]

You would if you thought about it for more than 2 seconds.



:lol

The difference has nothing to do with that. Its just a difference in political views. You're a pretty standard conservative. You want to preserve what you have now because your national identity provides you with a sense of self-worth. And you're only willing to accept changes if they come from within - from those you already consider to be part of your society. That makes you insular too.

Yeah me and all the Jews and Native Americans and Ainus.

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

Yeah me and all the Jews and Native Americans and Ainus.

I haven't talked to all the jews, and native americans, and ainus, but I have talked to you.

 

[IISANDERII]

We live in Toronto and love visiting Montreal. Very European flavour and I envy their political activism.