Microsoft Surface Tablet announced
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Bingo.
Maybe you should just buy a "Windows Phone XL".
Keylime
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The newest iPad gets hotter than the iPad 2....but doesn't get any hotter than other tablets. The iPad 2 was just better at heat management than the iPad 3 is.
iPad 2 > iPad 3 = All other tablets
...so no, unless you submit that all tablets on the market have a heat problem.
smothpocket
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That's hilarious.
I'm interested to see where this new direction takes Microsoft. They've been trying to get into the tablet game since before tablets were what they are now and they might just be doing it right this time.
It seems that they're forcing the Metro UI on us so that we get used to the style and function operating systems are moving toward but removing the compatibility that people have come to expect from a Windows OS might be a mistake. It works great on tablets but many of us only use Windows on our PC because it's the easiest solution. I wonder if when the other OS options become more popular and accessible on a desktop computer people will move more toward something they know like Android (which can be run on x86) or something like that rather than learning the Metro UI just because it's Windows.
Could Windows 8 be the beginning of the end of Microsoft's hold on the PC OS market?
Yeah, its the un-savvy users or i'll informed that are at risk. Kinda like when people didn't know about viruses or bacteria and surgeons wouldn't wash their hands. If your smart you should drastically reduce your risk, and should be able to recover from just about anything.
bearythebear
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Do "Tech Journalists" think they are fashion reporters? Only problem some dude from engadget had is Steve Ballmer didn't smile as much...
Then maybe they could use fans. I can't say because I never had one, but I would think keeping it cool should be semi-important.
blazeuk
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Microsoft have to be very careful not to kill it off early on with pricing, it could end up happening through no real fault of their own, just struggling within the Apple dominated market. Sadly for them, as good as it looks, Apple are still the go to product for alot of people, especially when pricing in very much similar. They're going to have to put a hell of alot of money into promoting it and at least be cheaper than an iPad for the basic model.
The Pro model is very interesting, but again, I think they'll struggle to sell it mass market to people as anything other than a tablet with a keyboard, it's going to have to take a really great advertising campaign when it's potentially costing upwards of $1000. For people who are somewhat clued up to what it's offering, it sounds great so far, to someone walking into a store to buy one, MS just dont have the brand power to charge premium Apple prices.
Having said that, I do think it's a smart business plan to get more into hardware. Apple have proven that it's possible to make huge amounts of money doing it when you make the right business choices, it's just going to be very difficult to compete with Apple unless you're pricing the hardware at less, at least in the beginning. In terms of just the app marketplaces, people aren't going to jump to different platforms constantly when purchases are tied to each one, they'll need an incentive to do so.
The Pro model is very interesting, but again, I think they'll struggle to sell it mass market to people as anything other than a tablet with a keyboard, it's going to have to take a really great advertising campaign when it's potentially costing upwards of $1000. For people who are somewhat clued up to what it's offering, it sounds great so far, to someone walking into a store to buy one, MS just dont have the brand power to charge premium Apple prices.
Having said that, I do think it's a smart business plan to get more into hardware. Apple have proven that it's possible to make huge amounts of money doing it when you make the right business choices, it's just going to be very difficult to compete with Apple unless you're pricing the hardware at less, at least in the beginning. In terms of just the app marketplaces, people aren't going to jump to different platforms constantly when purchases are tied to each one, they'll need an incentive to do so.
Uhhh, that's not really true. I don't think the ipad3 heat issue is an issue at all, I don't feel much of a difference when I use ours, but it is supposedly hotter than others:
The iPad is very limited compared to the Pro. The Pro compares to the Mac Air.
Keylime
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I'd definitely prefer that the tablet didn't get warm after using it, but it's not like the iPad ever gets uncomfortable to use as a result of the increased warmth.
Basically I don't think the problem is so bad that it requires doing anything extra to fix it at the cost of either size/weight/cost/noise/whatever. If adding in the cooling comes free, then sure.
That the Pro needs a fan is a sign that those components aren't ready for prime-time in a tablet form-factor, to me. I say this not having touched or used the Surface Pro, obviously. Perhaps the fans are near silent, aren't adding any weight, heat isn't an issue...etc etc.
Don't really agree with that, but like you said, we'll just have to wait and see.
Keylime
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Apple has its hooks in a lot of people. They have money invested in the iOS environment and it has the already proven app store. Not to mention people have gravitated to apple only products. They have their iPhone, iPad and Macbooks. The Surface will primarily have to grab the attentions of people using android tablets or have yet to still convert. Other than technophiles that just have to get this, your typically soccer mom is not going to pick this up when apple gives her everything that she needs.
hes bringing sexy back.
Can not unsee the Megaman stance anymore...
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
Think of it more as a touch screen ultrabook or mac book air. All of those things have fans. The Pro is going to be more akin to those in terms of hardware and price than a regular "tablet".
Mega Man Legends 3 exclusive for Surface?
Yeah, like I said, it's an overblown issue. But its sort of disingenuous to lump every other tablet with the ipad3, when the transformer is closer to the ipad2.
Do we know how much Ram on the i5 version?
smothpocket
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No kidding. The older generation in my family somehow gets infected all the time. They fall hard for the pop-ups that tell you that you have a virus etc. and/or the ads on facebook.
The Surface pro is quite a bit more powerful than an iPad. And by quite a bit i mean it's in a different league.
fluffydelusions
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The Pro version has vents around the whole perimeter of the device. Engadget actually the video up of the whole conference if anyone wants to watch. It has pictures of the vents and such.
SeaOfMadness
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Is it that hard to understand?
Computing device with ARM - no fan
Computing device with x86/x64 (intel) - fan
Doesn't matter if it's a tablet, phone, desktop, server, refrigerator, toaster. Same rules apply.
Computing device with ARM - no fan
Computing device with x86/x64 (intel) - fan
Doesn't matter if it's a tablet, phone, desktop, server, refrigerator, toaster. Same rules apply.
fluffydelusions
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Yep, it's a core i5 ivybridge, so it's spanks the iPad lol.
I very much suspect that 32GB RT model will come in well under the cheapest iPad. That will be Microsofts marketing strategy, or a large part of it. Just like they did with the 360, there will be a SKU that will be the cheapest in the bunch, and that model will carry the brand in sales.
edit. Has anyone had any discussions today about Apollo and Windows Phone 8 and how all of this will pan out? Isn't Apollo set to release this August/September? I could see myself in a world where my home PC is Win 8, my work machine is a Win 8 Pro Surface and my phone is a WP8, if (and only if) WP8 had functionality to seemlessly tie into the other OS's with ease, meaning I can jump from working in files/apps on any of these devices as a turn key type feature that is built right into the OS layer.
Anyone think thats a possibility?
Is it even noticeable though, or does it detract from the overall aesthetic value of it? Is it going to be distracting is the question to ask.
Fans in a tablet is a such a ridiculous idea. You want your tablet to be light, cool, quiet and discreet. Having a buzzing fan inside your inch think slab will be a horrible experience.
We don't need more moving parts inside something that cannot be easily opened for maintenance.
fluffydelusions
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Not really:
http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2012...-announced-the-ipad-killers-are-finally-here/
You can see the vents just under the kickstand bit. I assume that is them anyway.
Well, it'll be cooler, so that's one off. For the rest, we have to wait and see if it's loud and heavy, or quiet and light.
Looks good to me.
We already know it's heavy.
Beerman462
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Autocorrect strikes again it's supposed to be exe.
fluffydelusions
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The pro is I think just under 2lbs while the RT is 1.5
SeaOfMadness
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fluffydelusions
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Apparently, not yet.
MS has a product page up though I haven't looked through everything:
http://www.microsoft.com/surface/en/us/default.aspx
SeaOfMadness
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A fan inside an intel-based tablet is necessary. Don't like fans? Get an ARM tablet instead. There's really no way around it (at least not with today's technology). The tablet form factor doesn't make x86 processors suddenly run cooler.
The fact that there is a choice is a good thing.
yeah, this is what I'm waiting for. The Surface Pro 2014/2015 assuming this becomes a strong SKU for microsoft should be amazing and provide me just what I want. In the mean time its all about them linux ultrabooks for me.
I do agree with this. While inevitable, it having moving fans is a big drawback to me personally.
I like the feel of an iPad because it's almost inert. It's a slab of steel/glass with no moving parts, no vents, no noise, no nothing, just content. I don't ever have to worry about dust getting inside or accidentally blocking the vents. It feels like a solid piece of aluminium.
So it weighs a half pound more than an iPad, the Pro that is? I'll take that trade-off.
fluffydelusions
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Welp, you can always go with the RT version which has no fans. Keep in mind your getting an i5 ivybridge in the pro version. It's obviously going to need fans
Woody Invincible
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I laughed way too much at that.
I think the thing for a lot of people is that the desktop of the Pro is what is worth moving them off of the iPad and iOS. Until they can get a good fanless x86 architecture they will just hold out with what they have.
soundscream
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Ask me about the GAF Notebook
The pro is trying to be an ultrabook or a MacBook air though instead of an iPad. Just with a slightly different form factor.
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