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Being white is a privilege, says this PSA.
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Say what? Qualify this, go ahead.
crimzonflame
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This reminds me of the Chris Rock joke where an average C- white student can become President (George Bush), whereas a black C- student can barely become manager at McDonald's.
chronos4590
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If there is one thing this PSA has done, It's failing at informing people what White Privilege is. Seriously those fucking comments >_>
Educating the ignorant is always a difficult task. How do you propose we do it? Ignoring it is not an option so we need to do something about it
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I wouldn't ever use YouTube comments as evidence for the success or failure of anything. It's a horde of maniacs all trying to one-up each other in saying something terrible.
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
You guys might as well stop quoting him, it's a hit and run post, he's just grabbing for reactions and he'll never be able to come up with legitimate sources to back up his biased claim.
Don't forget this is YouTube commentators we're talking about here. A video of a chimpanzee riding a segway can devolve into something nasty in two seconds there. I still agree the ad is a failure.
EDIT: Beaten by Zefah
As an asian applying to med school.... Stop complaining.
can't read a long sentence? find something better to post about.
Holy fuck, a black person with a 24, 3.2 has a nearly 70% chance of acceptance?
Holy fuck.
George Bush didn't get into an ivy league because he was white. George Bush got into an ivy league because his father was rich and well-known. Had GWB been born into an average family, he wouldn't have become president. Period.
double jump
you haven't lived until a random little kid ask you "how do you make love".
this thread actually led me to watching that special last night. I was going to post youtube links but didn't want to derail.
double jump
you haven't lived until a random little kid ask you "how do you make love".
I fixed that for you.
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
I don't have the answer to that. I guess doing something is better than nothing.
Even born into an average family, a white man has such a bigger chance of becoming president over a colored man it's not even funny.
Hell, even being born into a rich black/hispanic/asian family versus a white guy being born into a rich family, I'd still put huge odds on the white guy to become president.
chronos4590
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Racism and especially white privilege large or small is a big deal.
It says a lot when I or my family[we're black] has to hear that my school district is dangerous or ghetto just because the majority of our school is mostly people of color over white people. And those same people who say that should be going to my district but they're too afraid to associate with people of color so they send their kids to private catholic schools.
To something as tiny as the fact that My sister or cousins could never go out in just a tanktop and sweatpants without looking "Ghetto" or like Hoodlums, while if a white person wore that, They would look " Hot" in the eyes of many.
It says a lot when I or my family[we're black] has to hear that my school district is dangerous or ghetto just because the majority of our school is mostly people of color over white people. And those same people who say that should be going to my district but they're too afraid to associate with people of color so they send their kids to private catholic schools.
To something as tiny as the fact that My sister or cousins could never go out in just a tanktop and sweatpants without looking "Ghetto" or like Hoodlums, while if a white person wore that, They would look " Hot" in the eyes of many.
double jump
you haven't lived until a random little kid ask you "how do you make love".
ah, this is what I was looking for. But why is it like this ? I was thinking AA but I thought that was set up for all minorities not just a specific group of us.
poppabk
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Sure it does, millionaires telling minimum wage workers how unfair their privelidge is. It's completely hypocritical.
I'm not really in any position to comment on AA in college admissions, but my guess is just numbers: more Asians, more whites applying than blacks and hispanics. Colleges desperately want "diversity" so they lower the threshold for blacks and hispanics simply because there are fewer of them applying.
On the contrary, there are so many Asians who are trying to get into colleges that the colleges can basically pick the very top few, who will therefore skew the averages.
So millionaires can't advocate for minimum wage workers???? That sounds incredibly dumb. Only poor people can complain?
gutter_trash
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shit like this is what makes poor blue collar white people backlash against liberals and then vote Republican against their better socio-economic interests
totally counter-productive and stupid PSA
totally counter-productive and stupid PSA
I don't think you understand how and why legacy admissions work. Color is irrelevant. If your family is made, so are you.
To raise awareness to an issue, which is a fundamental step in order to solve it. Now that awareness have been issued maybe a jury will think twice before assuming the worse of the black kind in trial, perhaps a human resources person will do a proper evaluation instead of writing off a Latino applicant or a bank will do a proper research before denying a loan, etc.
This is not an attack on white people, this raising awareness to a real problem... What's the alternative? To turn a blind eye to the problem and hope it will solve itself?
poppabk
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Where did I say that? The ad I saw flat out stated that it was unfair how privileged all white people are. When put forward by a bunch of truly privelidged people its hard to take any message away from it other than the privelidged will use any means necessary to maintain there wealth and power.
I agree with this to a certain point.
In marketing lingo, advertising is often framed as a tool that can be used to educate when all it really does is inform someone of something sans detailed context, as this PSA does.
I do think that white privilege and subtle racism is real, but mitigating their effects will take education via dialogue and conversation. And while yes, a PSA like this will make people talk, it's basically stoking the emotions of everyone involved first and forming conversation second; do people really expect rational dialogue to arise out of a situation like this?
At the end of the day, I don't really think diversity and equality can be built on the foundations of "not white".
lunarworks
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I think a change in popular culture would do more good in that order than "awareness of privilege".
As long as the lower class black population wear the gangsta/ghetto/whatever image like a badge of pride (it makes them a "distinct culture"), and the middle and upper class blacks allow the media to continue to glorify it, there will be social discrimination based on a very real fear and insecurity.
diamondstar
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But this is such a problem for me. I am so tired of going places and being expected to have certain talents, skills or knowledge just for being black. I just want to be considered normal. Two recent examples.. At a karaoke bar, my friend went up and sang an Al Green song. This white lady gave me the third degree because "even she knew the song" and I didn't. So since I am black I know every black song in history now.
Another one was at a company party and people being surprised I am not a good dancer or singer. Believe me I wish I was more than just a normal person that happens to be black. So like you said I wish I could "shine" but I hate being expected to.
What if I don't want to stand out all the time?
I almost typed just what Diamondstar said. Having grown up in a mostly white areas, here are questions I have been asked:
"Why is one side of your hand black and the other side is white?"
"Why don't you grow out your hair into an afro?
"Are you the only black person at this party?"
I almost typed just what Diamondstar said. Having grown up in a mostly white areas, here are questions I have been asked:
"Why is one side of your hand black and the other side is white?"
"Why don't you grow out your hair into an afro?
"Are you the only black person at this party?"
Half and half
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I was talking more about taking advantage of educational/work opportunities.
But I hear exactly what you're saying as I get this too. Mainly about sports though.
It ain't always easy. I'm just suggesting ways to flip the script to our advantage.
chronos4590
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I don't honestly care if they are YouTube comments, That's a piss poor excuse for the real picture, THe fact that those comments even have to exist is the problem to me. I don't care if they are maniacs or 12 year old trolls it's still unacceptable!
ViewtifulJC
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If you're trying to trying to change the mind of YouTube commentators into reasonable people, I'm sorry for the pointless and futile waste of time you're going to go through
Roger Danish
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Defensive-White-People-Defense-Force-GAF in full effect.
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
With an ad like this, how can you expect people to not react defensively? It's a bad ad.
Maybe someone angrily pounded their fist on the table when they read that though, good job Danish.
You are late to the party, add nothing to the debate and are grossly simplifying the issue.
smh.
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Deleted member 17706
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I don't honestly care if they are YouTube comments, That's a piss poor excuse for the real picture, THe fact that those comments even have to exist is the problem to me. I don't care if they are maniacs or 12 year old trolls it's still unacceptable!
I totally agree with this, but don't have a solution.
Roger Danish
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Propose an alternative that would effectively communicate the same message without making white YouTube-ers defensive? Perhaps they could have come up with something a bit more nuanced... but then nobody would have watched it. Time Wise doesn't provoke such a negative response because most people have never actually heard of him.
The only reason this ad is even seen as incendiary (by some) is because white people have been taught that any talk of "race" or "racial disparity" is strictly taboo (or, in itself "racist").
I could have made that same point in a much longer, subtler, more-nuanced manner, but then you wouldn't have read it. Enjoy your license to get defensive.
This is true.
Enosh
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since when do the democrats have the socio-economic interest of blue collar whites in mind?
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
I can appreciate this post more than "HERE COMES WHITE-DEFENSE GAF". Just post something with thought behind it right off the bat. Sure the ad is provocative but it doesn't really say much or display any data. It achieves being controversial.
Basically this.
Roger Danish
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To be fair, I was really just looking for an excuse to make the "Defensive-Defense-GAF" joke.
Although I do agree that I would have preferred that the ad provide the hard data, since it is available and is so incredibly stark. Of course, I've seen people's eyes gloss over when they hear things like "over 90% of juveniles sentenced to life in prison are black or latino"... so I'm still not sure it would be any more effective.
Frankly, I find it racist and I'm not white.
In some ways I'm fairly disappointed in the idea that when I have kids, they'll be whatever ethnicity their mother most likely is as that's been the trend in my family and by pure magic, they'll be discriminated against because the rest of the world is a piece of shit.
I already have to face shit for not being slotted easily to any in-group, now I have to think that any of my kids might get that and worse because some people will reject them from in-groups for not being 'pure' and others will reject them because they appear to be from others.
Race is an outdated language. My cousins and I all look like the ethnicities of our mothers so that in a single generation, we are related yet we look predominantly Caucasian or Chinese or Indian or Filipino or Malay or Indian or Arab with a few uniting traits.
Despite that direct link to each other, somehow we are told that we're so different that we should all feel guilty based on some bias or another? No, I don't think so.
Whether my kids are white or black or brown or whatever, I think they'll have to transcend whatever primitive language is used by the rest of the world. They certainly won't feel the guilt of their skin color or the burdens of whatever primitive ancestors they might have had.
In some ways I'm fairly disappointed in the idea that when I have kids, they'll be whatever ethnicity their mother most likely is as that's been the trend in my family and by pure magic, they'll be discriminated against because the rest of the world is a piece of shit.
I already have to face shit for not being slotted easily to any in-group, now I have to think that any of my kids might get that and worse because some people will reject them from in-groups for not being 'pure' and others will reject them because they appear to be from others.
Race is an outdated language. My cousins and I all look like the ethnicities of our mothers so that in a single generation, we are related yet we look predominantly Caucasian or Chinese or Indian or Filipino or Malay or Indian or Arab with a few uniting traits.
Despite that direct link to each other, somehow we are told that we're so different that we should all feel guilty based on some bias or another? No, I don't think so.
Whether my kids are white or black or brown or whatever, I think they'll have to transcend whatever primitive language is used by the rest of the world. They certainly won't feel the guilt of their skin color or the burdens of whatever primitive ancestors they might have had.
Red_Ragnarok
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Stop.
When discussions of race and privilege are brought up, Asian are always held up as an example of being a model minority, by whites. No.
I wrote this a while ago, but I always need to drag it out to properly frame the position of Asian-Americans in the United States. They occupy a spot in the middle, and a used/delegitimized on all sides in the race debate.
Honestly, do Asian-Americans have the same inherent disadvantages that other people of color have in this country? No. Do they have "white privilege?" Absolutely not. Asian-Americans are used as a tool for people that deny there is racial disparity in the United States, due to the success they have achieved post-immigration, but we are still treated and viewed as others/outsiders.
I'm sure that white people who grew up in Japan are treated and viewed as others/outsiders there as well. Why is there no campaign saying that this is unfair and needs to be changed?
Seriously, this is quite dumb.
Do you not realize that this is a campaign from a particular state in the United States?
Why would they have a campaign talking about Japan? Why would there be a campaign anywhere in the United States about situations in Japan?
Why would Buffalo even know where there aren't similar campaigns in Japan? He's not Japanese!
Let's at least try to keep this topic focused on the United States, since that's what this PSA is targeting...
theignoramus
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The foundation of his whole fucking political career is in Texas. Are you telling me the fact that he was a member of the "good ole boys" club didnt help his political career in Texas? In TEXAS?!
Why did you just ask a Korean guy why we aren't asking the Japanese to treat white people better
MightyKAC
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Because if you're a white person living in Japan you're still treated pretty damn well by any reasonable standards.
Hell, I'm black and I've been living here about 7 years now and with the exception of a few minor things I'd say I've been very well received by the Japanese people despite my "foreigner" status.
theignoramus
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Yeah, the "gangsta/ghetto/whatever image" is responsible for social discrimination against blacks. Historically.
what the fuck am I reading here.
Devolution
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Institutionalized racism and social prejudice came well before hip hop. Try again.
Red_Ragnarok
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You are treated well, but will you ever be considered Japanese and not foreigner? He said that the problem is that Asians in America are viewed as outsiders.
It seems to me that in every society the majority can be considered privileged. Whats the point of making a campaign to say that this is unfair? Why not make other campaigns against people who are really intelligent or good looking or athletic.
One guy in the video says our silence keeps it in place. What do they want, to give white people a handicap because theyre the majority?
Devolution
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Discrimination based on smarts and or athletic abilities? Really? What am I reading.
lol wow...
"Middle and upper class Blacks allow the media to continue to glorify it?" What???
FYI, they aren't the ones that have control over what popular major networks show/play.
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