CountAntonius
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Wow, shitty. You're much prettier anyway.
I can't search this on google without a pair of crutches coming up as the results (portuguese google). Is that what the belt thing is named in spanish?
Yes, it's the spanish name of that cloth.
Ah thanks!
Yeah. Unfortunately, my perspective is rather bleak and depressing. I realise that death is ceasing to exist, which means every experience, every memory, every moment is gone. If you cannot reflect on your own existence then it is like you never existed at all. Dying at the moment of birth or dying at 90, it makes no difference, the end result is still the same. You have no experience of life to remember as newborn child, but then 90 years of experience dies with you. It is the same thing. Everything you do then is pointless, your temporary existence meaningless.
It's something I find hard to accept. The cruel fate of nature that made us self-aware. Intelligence is a curse not a blessing.
The idea of an after-life, the idea of living for eternity does not sound bad to me at all. All the issues people have with it are biologically based. However, outside of the form we are imprisoned in, the adrenaline, testosterone, the dopamine in the brain, etc, why would it necessarily have any negative effects on us? You wouldn't get bored if boredem held no meaning, you wouldn't constantly need to seek some new form of activity or pleasure to keep yourself going.
just adding something about that:
Women usually wear a thing called "Pareo". (but has nothing to do with bullfighting) XD it's just a trendy thing.
SquiddyCracker
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The way most religions and people view an after-life is kinda incompatible with what I seek out of life.
I want to seek out new things all the time, otherwise you're really being nothing more than a save-file consisting of everything you've done up to that point.
Without new stimulus in one form or another, you might as well not exist.
Featheredkitten
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I'm okay with the way i am now. I live my life going forward with a no regrets policy. But....what do you do with all those regrets you have from before....all the things you wanted to say to someone who isn't here anymore, who you'll never see again? Believing in life after death, well, it makes it easier to accept. "Maybe some day i'll get to tell you all those things i didn't know i wanted to say, not until you were gone."
I think religion and the concept of life after death stem from things like that. That we haven't missed our chance, hope, regret, wishes, could have been, should have been, etc.
At first I thought you meant the red headed reporter then I realized. I don't see it either way. Neither wears glasses.
The only thing I think is scary to consider at this point in time is just death in general. How are you supposed to comprehend non-existence? The cease-to-be of all thought process in your head? Is it like sleep? Do we die for a time every night when we sleep? What would it be like? Is it instantaneous, or is it slow and methodical, where neurons in your brain shut down over time? If it's instantaneous, how would you know it's coming? If it's slow and methodical, how would you know it was happening until it all ended? These things I try to stay away from thinking, because they eventually create an intense feeling of fear (and subsequently, an intense love of life as I have it).
Featheredkitten
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To be honest, it all depends on how quickly it happens.
Yeah, this is based on our perception of reality though. You're saying this as a biological being; a consciousness trapped and influenced by flesh. You want to do these things because that is the reality you know.
It's all hypothetical of course. If there was an after-life it would be impossible for us to know what that would be like. However, you could say that it wouldn't be limited and influenced by the human body. Therefore experience as we know it would hold no meaning.
If you're dying because of disease, what would the slow death of everything you have inside your mind feel like? Would it feel like falling asleep? Consciousness succumbing to nothingness? Would it feel like things about you, personally and emotionally, were being deleted, like files on a computer? Or would you just slip away, like a rock sinking into an ocean?
If it was instantaneous, would you even know you were dead? What would be the last thing you feel right before instant death? The snapdeath of your entire body, or whatever you felt at that moment?
I have very morbid thoughts sometimes, only because the things I think about that I do not know how they are/feel I'm very curious about.
It's like a virgin wondering what sex is like.
Featheredkitten
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From personal observations, it's like periods of hallucinations, which increase in length, interspersed by periods of shortening lucidity, when you're lucid you know what's happening, when you're hallucinating, well, you don't, and you're a completely different person...
Kitsunebaby
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The burger vs. pizza thread has made me very hungry. I'm going out to get one of those two things now.
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This is getting so depressing. You know, I am starting to think alzheimer's wouldn't be that bad. If it hit you at an old age. I remember watching a Louis Theroux documentary on alzheimer's and the later stages of the disease was really upsetting. There was this one old lady who was in the later of stages of it, and she had deteriorated some much that all she could do was walk around saying, "golly, golly, golly, golly, golly". Just that one word over and over again. That is all she did. Just watching it really freaked me out.
However, once the disease hits in a big way, it isn't really an unpleasant experience for the individual at all. I imagine coming face to face with death would be less traumatic for you.
Explain.
CountAntonius
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When I think of death my hope it that it's like the end of a great day. For instance a day when I get up early go to an amusement park with family and have a fantastic time but wear myself out. I'm almost ready for the day to end even though I enjoyed it. I'm simply ready to go. I hope I live my life like that day and at the end I can just be happily ready for bed.
Featheredkitten
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i'm so terrified of dying it's not even funny.
Baconsaurus Rex
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My grandma has Alzheimer but fortunately she's only in the early stages now. Not looking forward to the day she won't be able to have normal conversations anymore but it looks like she'll have a few more years before she hits that point though. It's a terrible condition.
Baconsaurus Rex
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Mate of mine does this often and adds some cheese and lettuce as well.
I'm the same way. But I figure it's because I'm young. Older people have more sense of fulfillment.
It is, and I am sorry for the family, but my point is more from the perspective of the person suffering from it. It will be bad for her at the early stages, but there comes a time when she will forget so much that it is no longer an issue for her anymore. I imagine -- although I don't know for sure -- that the time you come to face death would be less traumatic as you wouldn't even remember what death is, or why you should fear it.
How did you arrive at that thought? Haha.
Featheredkitten
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People with strong faith seem to handle it pretty well too.
ClassyPenguin
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that's just delusion...
Featheredkitten
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seen it with my own two eyes. was pretty astonishing.
Death talk is grim
Let's talk about dogs again! If I can I'll post a picture of my sister's dog tonight.
Yeah. Well, I think you have all seen my dog right? He is such an intelligent dog. I suspect, if he was professionally trained, the things he would be able to do would be pretty remarkable. He was so quick to learn as a puppy. Getting him to give me back the ball after I had chucked it to him, he learnt almost straight away. After a few tries really.
CountAntonius
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I'm not a person of faith but I know plenty of people who it helps to cope with things they otherwise feel powerless over. For example a family praying for a loved one with cancer. I don't see anything wrong with this. I sometimes feel these people are even stronger for having these beliefs. I don't believe and I know at times I feel downright hopeless.
Professor Beef
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Death talk is grim
Let's talk about dogs again! If I can I'll post a picture of my sister's dog tonight.
Cats are better at being dogs than dogs are.
For whatever reason, I always wanted to have a cat as a kid. There was a black cat who showed sometimes next to my house, and I did everything I could to catch him.
Nowadays I don't dislike cats, but I would never want to have one.
I'll get myself a dog when I get married and have kids.
Featheredkitten
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This is a total me thing, but i can't stand it when people say they're praying for someone....i've seen it not help a lick and the person die anyway, why are you praying ya know? again, i'm just a spiteful atheist and refuse to believe in a jerk god (he/she/them/it) has to be a jerk.
That's funny, so did I. As I got older I became more of a dog lover though.
CountAntonius
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Cause it isn't about you. I used to be a spiteful atheist but certain things in my life led me to change my way of being. I'm more on the agnostic side now.
Few years ago my sister was diagnosed with breast cancer. She asked people to pray for her and many many people did. This gave her peace of mind she would not have otherwise. Did it save her life? As a man of science I doubt it but what it did do was help her relax and help her deal with it better. It was an amazing thing to watch and I almost felt like an asshole not praying myself. Like I was putting my pride in front of her piece of mind.
I doubt I'll ever be a man of faith but I will never belittle how powerful that belief can be for others. I've seen it and it's amazing.
Baconsaurus Rex
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I understand what you're saying, at that point your mind has turned to soup so you won't be able to fear death. In that perspective it actually is indeed, a very pleasant death. My other grandmother died of breast cancer. It spread out and after a few years she ended up in the hospital where she spent her last few days on earth. She already knew that it would be the end and at that moment she would be between two worlds. When the kids, me and my sister, were around she seemed relaxed and at ease. Like she'd found peace. When we weren't there however, she occasionally had minor panic attacks. This is something I heard from my dad later. She'd always remained strong in my eyes, but when death finally caught up on her she was scared. She'd cry, something I had never seen her do. We rushed to the hospital when the moment finally arrived in the middle of the night after a few days. We said goodbye, knowing that this was the last time we'd ever talk to her. My dad stayed there by her side and the nurse gave her some morphine for the pain. Over the next few hours she'd slip in and out of a deep sleep. She spoke to my father one last time and I'll never forget what she said: "Don't be afraid, dying does not hurt." I admit, she was on morphine but it shows that she had found peace and was not afraid of dying. These are perhaps beautiful last words but a little later she said something that I even find more fitting for her, as a nice caring person and mother. She asked her only son if he was hungry, he could get some food from the nurses if he was hungry. My dad told her he wasn't hungry and she went back to sleep, to never wake up again.
I hope I'll go out like my grandmother, kids by my side having the chance to say goodbye. Hope my deathbed will be as peaceful.
Typing this took me a while and I know the subject has shifted again but I just needed to type this all out.
That's badass!!
Featheredkitten
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My story goes from the opposite direction, i used to believe, and my husband was VERY religious, he was diagnosed with cancer and all the prayers didn't save him. It made him feel better and accept his death with dignity, but........still mad at god. heh.
CountAntonius
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I can understand that. But for me it was never about my belief it was about how it helped her. I can't blame a God I don't believe in.
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