Seduction-age |OT| The only way to win is to play the game

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MThanded said:
Y'all can use this PUA stuff but at some point you are going to have to act like a normal person. At that point the female will probably realize that your real self is not nearly the same as the facade you put up to meet them.
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Very good point.

I'm going to bring out this link. It's my "go to" so to speak whenever someone tells me that they want to get into pickup:

http://postmasculine.com/pickup-artist

Worth a whole read, but I'll post some choice paragraphs here:

Regarding Pickup coaching:
The (PUA) market promotes fanboyism and idol worshiping. It’s sickening. I started to realize this when some of my students turned out to be these brilliant, successful and amazing men. Men who were far more successful in life than I was, and they’d look at me as some sort of demigod. Why? Because I’ve slept with more women? Because when I walk into a club, people actually think I’m cool? It makes absolutely no sense. Looking for advice and guidance is one thing, but this was something else entirely.

A lot of these guys don’t need a pick up instructor. They need a shrink and maybe some sort of anti-anxiety therapy. They need some confidence and a push to put themselves out there more and more. The technical aspect of picking up women really ISN’T that difficult. It really can be explained and taught within a few days. But it must be practiced for a long time, and to have that practice, a guy has to have healthy mindsets and an ability to overcome his fears.
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Regarding pickup
There is absolutely NOTHING normal about what a Pick Up Artist does or why he does it. Dating advice is one thing. Self improvement is another. But quantifying your social and emotional life and then measuring it against others online and for money will murder your soul. Plain and simple.
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You don’t end up in the Pick Up Artist community unless you are incredibly unhappy or unsatisfied about something. It may be conscious, it may be unconscious. It may be short-term, or it may be deep-seated and long-term. But the fact is, the community acts for a lot of men as a diversion or scapegoat from dealing with their real issues — their emotional issues.

As men, we’re experts at rationalizing painful feelings away — we hate dealing with them. For a lot of men, all these eBooks and audio courses merely act as rationalizations — a way to escape for a little bit longer, a way to logically solve the unsolvable. Emotions aren’t quantifiable or objective, so these men band together in attempt to quantify and objectify their emotional lives together, under the auspices of “improvement.”

And by their shared metrics, improve they do. “I had my first SNL.” “I banged my first 9 last night.” Etc. But there’s no yardstick for happiness, fulfillment, meaning or significance. This may sound lame and campy, but when you’ve met as many miserable guys with 100+ lays as I have, you may take it seriously.
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Obviously this is just one man's viewpoint, but it's one I share too.
 
compliment women on how strong they look: "you've got a strong chin, you look like you could take a punch or two".

women like angry, confident dancers. if the floor is empty, demonstrate your confidence and virility by moving to the centre, biting your bottom lip and aggressively stomping one foot while pulling your hottest frown. a minute or two into the act start to make a "come hither" gesture. she will certainly "come hither".

your eyes are the windows to your soul....and your tears are her ladder. let her climb on in as soon as possible. leave it more than three hours into the date and she'll surely write you off as the empty psychopathic husk you truly are.

shea butter. not only will it make the application of your (essential!) leather trousers go like a dream, the scent unlocked by its fusion with a man's natural husk on a hot disco dance floor is a pheromone that would put aphrodite to shame.

truck nuts: not just for trucks!
 
I just cannot imagine how sad and lonely of a person you would have to be to seriously engage in this stuff. I totally understand having mental hang-ups that can inhibit your interactions with woman, but there are many more viable treatments for that. This is for creeps. Don't be a creep.
 
1st week:
This is my first week actually gaming and I took the easiest step I could find was say "hello, (intro)" or "hi, (intro)" to mostly everybody for a good full week. Now I feel comfortable enough to go walk up to strangers and introduce myself naturally without hesitation. I've mostly been shut down by ALOT of those people, and sometimes it would go well and they would introduce themselves but I had no clue what to do next.

Q's: What are some good conversational topics?
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lol @ 'actually gaming'. Wow.

Response:

The tv shows How I met your mother and two and a half man. A lot of girls loves

those. Also you can make statements not ask questions. Like: You look like youre

studying law.
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That's his actual wife? Damn, lucky dude.

Chipopo said:
I love how this was unironically posted by the op on the last page. Tells you everything you need to know about his mentality.
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I'm drawn to characters like Dennis. There's a reason he's my favorite character on the show. Same with Archer. Do I act like them in real life situations? Yes and no. It actually worked on this chick from college. She found me more attractive since I was acting like Archer. But in no way I approach women like that in every situation.
 
nVidiot_Whore said:
Why do you do this?

Could you put me on ignore or something MT? Thanks.
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That comment was uncalled for because she explicitly explained what she was talkin about you corrected your statement and still had to get the last word in. You love to instigate stuff. If I ignore you how am I going laugh at the posts?

Ive never ignored anyone on neogaf no matter how ridiculous they act. Thats the beauty of the neogaf. People can say what they want but someone else can always pull their card if necessary.
 
AMOG Killer (AK)

A gesture, or verbal cue such as the letters “a-k,” used to indicate to a wing to disarm a specific individual, or group of AMOGs, or to put a wing on high-alert due to AMOGs in the vicinity.
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Is this Black Ops or something?
 
99% of pickup stuff is weird, creepy and self-masturbatory. RSD is the only company on your list that I'd consider recommending, but the majority of their products are overly complicated and full of strange advice and theories.

In my opinion, there's only a few "products" worth looking at, the main one being Aaron Sleazy's "Minimal Game" (ignore the dodgy name -it's good stuff!). It's cheap, will help you get laid more and won't turn you into a weirdo.

BlueSteel said:
I'm going to bring out this link. It's my "go to" so to speak whenever someone tells me that they want to get into pickup:

http://postmasculine.com/pickup-artist
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That's a great article. It's well worth a read. I met Mark while travelling and he seemed like a good guy. I never purchased any of his books, but I've heard from other folks that they're good.
 
Hi guys,

I reached a point where I can open any type of set and getting them to laugh with routines and also some improv. Usually one would have a wingman to entertain the rest of the set while one works on the target, but since I usually go alone, my sticking point is how to isolate the target. Some PUAs say something like "may I borrow your friend for a minute" but I don't like this approach because it is an indicator of interest at the beginning which I would like to avoid.
So my question is, how do you guys isolate your targets without a wingman and also without showing too much initial interest?


Thanks!!!
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I love this PUA forum. My goodness. And people wonder why so many folks look down on PUA and those that believe in it.
 
Well i think that the only good thing about this stuff is that it makes you approach random girls every day and talking is an skill that gets better the more that you use it but all the rehashed stuff seems forced to me conversation has to flow naturally.
 
MThanded said:
That comment was uncalled for because she explicitly explained what she was talkin about.
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She could have done it without an attitude, considering I did not reply to a post about the topic she brought up. I pointed that out because it's true of most of her posts, and it annoys me.

The End. She doesn't make a big deal of it, why are you?
 
Obligatory...

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Totally lame. One of the "great openers" at the link is literally, You have an incredibly energy about you. lol

If you need this shit and all the slightly rapey acronyms just to talk to another human being then the world would probably be a better place if you just died a virgin.
 
Captain_Spanky said:
Utterly. Treating a woman like a computer where INPUT A = LEGS OPEN is unethically creepy at best and worryingly misogynistic at worst. Women aren't playthings to be manipulated to massage your ego and get your dick wet.
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I agree with all that. Now where does the rape part come in again?
 
A lot of this PUA stuff is actually grounded in some decent evolutionary psychology, and there's more than enough observation data (both casual and academic) to back a lot of it up.

Doesn't mean you have to use all of it, or ascribe to the lingo or the goals established by the community. Meh, I'm not empathetic enough to feel bad about manipulating women, especially when I see the types of guys they freely choose of their own accord.

Being yourself is fine. Being you BEST, most ATTRACTIVE self is better. If some vaguely outlined strategies help you express those elements of your personality that will land you the most social and sexual success, so be it.

Dr Eggman said:
Is "The Game" by Neil Strauss bullshit?
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Most of it has been verified.
 
Good job on the initial OP. It would be good if we had a PUA thread on GAF that had actual discussion, instead of everyone bringing in preconceived notions and not know what they're talking about. This is the one subject on GAF that seems so misunderstood. I'd recommend the Pickup Podcast if people want to learn by listening, although it's evolved greatly from the initial episodes, so now it's something else entirely.
 
Here's a fun academic piece I like to bring up when this topic comes up: http://www.csom.umn.edu/assets/71503.pdf


Anyway I used to be way into meeting chicks, started by reading the PUA garbage. Most of it is trash from an industry of 'gurus' that want your money.

But the community aspect might not be so bad if you need support to start meeting people and working on a social life. I was more or less active between ages 17 and 23. Then I met my girlfriend in a mall.

I am very happy for the freedom and individual empowerment that this trend can give newcomers. I believe in meeting women in all social settings.

This stuff can be useful, but be careful.
 
cousins said:
It's perfect.
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Although it's a cute comic, no girls are like that. In my experience, just as many girls as guys don't have the balls to talk to flat out hit on a stranger they're interested in. I'd say it's something worthy of respect.

Sure, 'negging' is garbage and you shouldn't be going into social settings looking to bring people down. But, like anything, it has its moments.
 
Love the XKCD comic. Really highlights how "video gamey" this stuff is in its treatment of women.

The Antitype said:
A lot of this PUA stuff is actually grounded in some decent evolutionary psychology, and there's more than enough observation data (both casual and academic) to back a lot of it up.
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Can't believe we are releasing this treasure on the site. Took a long time for Mav to compile this list of negs. Most of these negs come from Mystery . If some of them belong to some other PUA, please write it here below.
so credit could be given where credit is due.

1. Your hair looks shiny, is it a wig? Oh well it looks nice anyway
2. That’s lovely long hair – are they extensions?
3. I think your hair would look better up/down
4. Nice nails – are they acrylic. Oh, well they look good anyway.
5. Awww, how cute, your nose wiggles when you laugh – look there it goes again !!!
6. Is that your natural hair colour well its not bad So you changed it to that?
7. I like your look, beauty is common but you seem like you have character.
8. You have U shaped teeth.
9. Well at least you have a nice body
10. You are nearly as tall as me. I like tall girls. Are those heels 3 or 4 inches ?
11. You have an “interesting” figure
12. Did you drink too much last night!
13. I think I like your left eye best
14. Your eyeliner has run a bit….go to wipe it off for her
15. Eww your palms are sweaty
16. You have some lint on your shirt, here let me get it off
17. I think I saw you wearing that outfit a few weeks ago
18. I like that skirt, they are very popular these days
19. I like that skirt, Ive seen another girl wearing it tonight as well. Is it from topshop?
20. Those shoes look really comfortable/uncomfortable
21. Is she always like this
22. How do you guys hang with this girl
23. Geez, you must have driven your parents crazy
24. Solipsistic ego queen (solipsistic is the view that the self is the only reality)
25. Hello, Im talking, geez
26. Um, its too early in our relationship for you to be (doing whatever she was doing)
27. Where is your off button
28. You look like trouble
29. You’re bad girls
30. Were you a dork at school or something
31. Your kinda cute, like my little sister
32. Did you parents not give you enough attention as a child ?
33. God, talking to you even Married with Children sounds nice.
34. This is why we wont be able to have nice things (if she is clumsy at all)
35. You look just like my high school maths teacher
36. How short are you
37. You’re already back to square one with me
38. Are you girls tourists or something
39. You need to get out more often...
40. I don’t know who your last boyfriend was, but he didn’t spank you enough
41. I can see you work out…………occasionally
42. (about her fake tits) Don't be embarrassed.. Implants will give you buoyancy when you're swimming. If we were all lost at sea, you'd be the only one to survive.
43. Wow, that’s a great tan….have you like not washed for a week or something he he
44. Wow, I reckon with a bit of training you could be a stripper or a pole dancer….how cool would that be
45. You remind me of my weird ex
46. You seem way too nice for me……at least say fuck a couple of times so we can get out of the PG rated conversation
47. Whew – have you guys been having perfume fights or something?
48. To a girl wearing horizontal stripes – “is it true vertical stripes make you look thin”
49. I bet you are high maintenance.
50. Well it was nice to small talk with you.
51. Oh – you’re one of THOSE
52. You have a nice act but somewhere in there, is a little girl who just wants to be held and appreciated for who she is.
53. Nice perfume….is it chanel lolol
54. Is that an Oompa Loompa bag (because it was bright orange)
55. I feel like I can talk to you all night……..I cant LISTEN to you though.
56. You are mischievous
57. Say she is a brat
58. Hi Freckles
59. You’re a very pretty girl, BUT….this is London, beauty is very common. A great personality…that’s very rare…..Great energy, energy… You’ve got 2 out of 3, that’s a great start.
60. She says “GET OVER YOURSELF/IT” you start laughing, and say "OK, hold on 1 second. (close eyes and concentrate) OK I'm done getting over myself, any other tips for me?”
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One of my all time favorites I didn't see it listed.

ME- "Do you have any gum?"
HB - "Why or here you go?"
Me- "Great chew it!"

Also,

I got this from Mysetery. Walk up to a HB, adjust some article of clothing she's wearing, "Now you're a superstar!"

Enjoy
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Don't do that - you will piss them off.

With HB 7's and 8s: 1 or 2 negs is enough.

With HB 9 and 10s: 3 negs
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sweet, i like this, so many negs for so many different scenarios. This should help me out.

number 7 and number 44 seem to be compliments to me. maybe i'm missing something.

my favorite is the perfume fight, that one is great.. lol...lol.
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I could quote the entire thread...
 
Orayn said:
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What a compelling argument. Truly, you've swayed me.

You are right about how 'video-gamey' this stuff can make meeting women though. Reading this PUA stuff between 19 and 24 basically eradicated my fear of rejection.

Instead of approaching women with nerves, I started approaching them as a game. See how far I could go, see how they reacted to different lines of conversation, humor, how hard you pushed forward, etc.

Rejection became a learning experience, like dying a videogame.

And since it also made me realize how interchangable and not-special any given woman is, you're constantly surrounded by 'restarts'. :D

Over time, you mature, and you start thinking less about getting laid and more about screening women. Not wasting time on people that don't vibe with your humor, lifestyle, values, etc.

I've had several fulfilling relationships, and they all started the same way as the flings, and one-night stands.
 
The Antitype said:
What a compelling argument. Truly, you've swayed me.

You are right about how 'video-gamey' this stuff can make meeting women though. Reading this PUA stuff between 19 and 24 basically eradicated my fear of rejection.

Instead of approaching women with nerves, I started approaching them as a game. See how far I could go, see how they reacted to different lines of conversation, humor, how hard you pushed forward, etc.

Rejection became a learning experience, like dying a videogame.

And since it also made me realize how interchangable and not-special any given woman is, you're constantly surrounded by 'restarts'. :D

Over time, you mature, and you start thinking less about getting laid and more about screening women. Not wasting time on people that don't vibe with your humor, lifestyle, values, etc.

I've had several fulfilling relationships, and they all started the same way as the flings, and one-night stands.
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You raped those women dude.
 
ghst said:
so is this for people with aspergers?
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Seems so, social interactions become a lot easier when you can condense them into handy flowcharts "STEP A → STEP B → GET LAID → SELF-ESTEEM BOOST (?) → STEP A" I guess. Maybe someone can make an Android app which does voice recognition and tells you exactly what to say at each point so you don't even need to remember the rules and can focus on getting the high score of last minute resistance:neg ratio (while avoiding contact with police.)

I got this from Mysetery. Walk up to a HB, adjust some article of clothing she's wearing, "Now you're a superstar!"
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The Antitype said:
What a compelling argument. Truly, you've swayed me.
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Evolutionary psychology is not widely or demonstrated to be a reliable metric. It should go without saying that listing it as one of the merits of PUA should induce a few giggles.

I'm glad you had a good experience, but it sounds like this PUA hokum served as a catalyst for personal growth, rather than any sort of surefire method.
 
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