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Sblargh said:
Journey into Mystery is changing characters?
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yea from loki to SIF

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Oh, still asgardians, then. Very cool. I'm sad to see this incredible JiM run end, but Sif is a good character to follow! All right!
 
Hey Comic-Age, I'd like a bit of help. I've been away from comics for so damn long but I'd like to get back into it.

Last thing I read from marvel was Siege. It was boring so I pretty much dropped the entire catalogue. From DC last thing I read was Blackest Night, stopped after that because it kind of felt like it was the best thing ever and they'd never be able to go anywhere good after having such an awesome crescendo.

Looking to get back into both. Could use a short catchup to current and a few pointers as to where to get back in again.

Thanks!
 
Supermanisdead said:
This, 100%. Marvel is so desperate to make him an Avenger first, X-Man second that they are literally turning him into an Avengers fanboy. Cap and the Avengers disrespect the fuck out of him - knock him out of a plane over the Arctic, put his school on lockdown, fight his staff, lock up the kids on Utopia and still he comes crawling back. What a total joke. RIP Wolverine.
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Yeah, pretty much this. Fucking traitorous bastard. At least at some point Beast started to get pissed about the whole situation but he's pretty poop in my eyes too.

CorvoSol said:
About what? The Phoenix Force came to earth and, like always, went Dark Phoenix. Everybody except Cyclops saw that coming. He doesn't wear shades for nothing.

#Cykewassowrong.
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Everything that occurred was a direct result from the Avengers interfering with the Phoenix Force and pissing it off. Or are you too dense to accept that fact?
 
Hero said:
Yeah, pretty much this. Fucking traitorous bastard. At least at some point Beast started to get pissed about the whole situation but he's pretty poop in my eyes too.



Everything that occurred was a direct result from the Avengers interfering with the Phoenix Force and pissing it off. Or are you too dense to accept that fact?
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Was that really necessary? I don't think it was. You and me could be nice to each other, instead of throwing around names that are just going to make hurt feelings about comics.

The Avengers didn't make the Phoenix blow up all those planets on the way to Earth. The Avengers didn't make Cyclops choose desperately to cling to a monster that has wreaked havoc in the life of every woman he had ever loved. Cyclops should have known better than to trust the Phoenix when all it has ever brought into his life is pain, suffering and misery. What he did was wrong, and he got lucky that when Dark Phoenix happened, relatively few people got hurt.

I don't see what's heroic about a man breaking down and choosing to rely on something as dangerous and volatile as The Phoenix, that's all I'm saying.
 
CorvoSol said:
Was that really necessary? I don't think it was. You and me could be nice to each other, instead of throwing around names that are just going to make hurt feelings about comics.

Tell me again how the Avengers made the Phoenix blow up all those planets on its way to Earth, though.
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Sorry, it wasn't meant to be insulting and see how it comes off that way.

The Avengers didn't make the Phoenix blow up those planets, but neither did the X-Men. You don't think splitting the Phoenix Force into 5 pieces might've pissed it off a little? Or that some of the ones that did inherit the power might not have been suitable hosts like Hope was trained to be? (Namor definitely shouldn't have had the power, Illyana neither.)
 
Hero said:
Sorry, it wasn't meant to be insulting and see how it comes off that way.

The Avengers didn't make the Phoenix blow up those planets, but neither did the X-Men. You don't think splitting the Phoenix Force into 5 pieces might've pissed it off a little? Or that some of the ones that did inherit the power might not have been suitable hosts like Hope was trained to be? (Namor definitely shouldn't have had the power, Illyana neither.)
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The last time the Phoenix got broken into pieces, it didn't rampage. It ran crying to Jean. There was no real reason to assume it would instead do this. Scott should have been the first one against it. How much does the Phoenix have to take from him before he comes to hate it? Two wives wasn't enough?
 
CorvoSol said:
The last time the Phoenix got broken into pieces, it didn't rampage. It ran crying to Jean. There was no real reason to assume it would instead do this. Scott should have been the first one against it. How much does the Phoenix have to take from him before he comes to hate it? Two wives wasn't enough?
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Yeah, well Jean's not exactly around. Regardless, the fact of the matter is that we know for a fact that the Avengers' intervention and constant provocation of the Phoenix 5 lead to all the actions on Earth, including Cyclops going Dark Phoenix. You can't say just because he did that Hope would have done the same.
 
Rachel should have been everyone's number 1 go-to girl. She had the Phoenix for years with no problem. Just because weaklings like Jean Grey, the Stepford Cuckoos and PENIS can't handle their shit, doesn't mean the Phoenix is bad. Phoenix just wants a real host that can deal. <3 Rachel Grey <3 What a legend.
 
Supermanisdead said:
Rachel should have been everyone's number 1 go-to girl. She had the Phoenix for years with no problem. Just because weaklings like Jean Grey, the Stepford Cuckoos and PENIS can't handle their shit, doesn't mean the Phoenix is bad. Phoenix just wants a real host that can deal. <3 Rachel Grey <3 What a legend.
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Yeah, this is the other thing that bugged me. Captain America goes to Wolverine as his Phoenix Force consultant but doesn't tell him to bring Rachel at all.
 
Hero said:
Yeah, well Jean's not exactly around. Regardless, the fact of the matter is that we know for a fact that the Avengers' intervention and constant provocation of the Phoenix 5 lead to all the actions on Earth, including Cyclops going Dark Phoenix. You can't say just because he did that Hope would have done the same.
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She wasn't the last time, either. When the Shi'ar attempted to break the Phoenix into pieces, it went and raised her from the dead because it was so scared. Granted I doubt the Avengers know that, but hey, there it is.

I can say that Hope would have gone Dark Phoenix though because frankly, when you give a girl of what, 16, that kind of power, it's a given that she will go Dark Phoenix. Look at Jean: She was what, 20+ when it came along and it still happened to her. Heck, it was happening to her years after that. How was Hope not supposed to go Dark Phoenix at some point? The limitless power of life and death at your beck and call with all the hormones of a teen? NOT A GOOD COMBINATION.

The only person I can think of who didn't go Dark Phoenix in spite of prolonged exposure to the Phoenix is Rachel.
 
Arksy said:
Hey Comic-Age, I'd like a bit of help. I've been away from comics for so damn long but I'd like to get back into it.

Last thing I read from marvel was Siege. It was boring so I pretty much dropped the entire catalogue. From DC last thing I read was Blackest Night, stopped after that because it kind of felt like it was the best thing ever and they'd never be able to go anywhere good after having such an awesome crescendo.

Looking to get back into both. Could use a short catchup to current and a few pointers as to where to get back in again.

Thanks!
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Pick up Uncanny Avengers and Batman on Wednesday and see if you want to get back into it If you want some Collected recommendations tell us what your interested in like Spider-Man, Batman, Green Lantern, Thor, X-Men or whatever.
 
Supermanisdead said:
Rachel should have been everyone's number 1 go-to girl. She had the Phoenix for years with no problem. Just because weaklings like Jean Grey, the Stepford Cuckoos and PENIS can't handle their shit, doesn't mean the Phoenix is bad. Phoenix just wants a real host that can deal. <3 Rachel Grey <3 What a legend.
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Hero said:
Yeah, this is the other thing that bugged me. Captain America goes to Wolverine as his Phoenix Force consultant but doesn't tell him to bring Rachel at all.
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I think we can all agree that nobody bothering to talk the woman with most Phoenix experience alive was all their mistakes collectively. I mean, did the writers all forget about Rachel and decide to just not have Hope, Cap, Cyke or anybody ask about this?

Why was WANDA more involved with the Phoenix than Rachel? Rachel at least KNEW WHAT IT WAS LIKE.
 
Arksy said:
Hey Comic-Age, I'd like a bit of help. I've been away from comics for so damn long but I'd like to get back into it.

Last thing I read from marvel was Siege. It was boring so I pretty much dropped the entire catalogue. From DC last thing I read was Blackest Night, stopped after that because it kind of felt like it was the best thing ever and they'd never be able to go anywhere good after having such an awesome crescendo.

Looking to get back into both. Could use a short catchup to current and a few pointers as to where to get back in again.

Thanks!
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BuddyJoeHooker said:
Pick up Uncanny Avengers
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For Marvel just follow this mans advice ^
And then pick up all the Uncanny X-Force books.

For DC they rebooted everything recently so just buy the #1 for whatever characters you are interested in.
 
CorvoSol said:
I think we can all agree that nobody bothering to talk the woman with most Phoenix experience alive was all their mistakes collectively. I mean, did the writers all forget about Rachel and decide to just not have Hope, Cap, Cyke or anybody ask about this?

Why was WANDA more involved with the Phoenix than Rachel? Rachel at least KNEW WHAT IT WAS LIKE.
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Rachel was too Claremontian for modern Marvel. Her indomitable will was too much for Quesada and co. to deal with. We need unstable Wanda and plucky libertarian Hope.
 
Arksy said:
Hey Comic-Age, I'd like a bit of help. I've been away from comics for so damn long but I'd like to get back into it.

Last thing I read from marvel was Siege. It was boring so I pretty much dropped the entire catalogue. From DC last thing I read was Blackest Night, stopped after that because it kind of felt like it was the best thing ever and they'd never be able to go anywhere good after having such an awesome crescendo.

Looking to get back into both. Could use a short catchup to current and a few pointers as to where to get back in again.

Thanks!
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As others have claimed, DC rebooted continuity with their New 52 in hopes that this would be beginner friendly for those intimidated by the background history (which you should not be, by the way). You can pretty much pick up whatever book you want at issue number one and be fine. My personal favorites are Batman, Batman and Robin, Aquaman, Green Lantern, Flash, and All star western.

Marvel is kinda doing something like this with Marvel now. Basically they are ending some current books, playing musical chairs with their artists and writers and they are creating brand new books that should prove to have the same effect of new reader friendliness without doing away with their continuity. Both Uncanny Avengers 1 and Red She Hulk 58 are the first Marvel now books. I believe Red She Hulk is already at 58 because the artist and writer team did not change so they are just going to continue with their book, but it is a new story and jumping on point. At least as I understand it.

This is the cover of Uncanny Avengers
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You'll notice on the top it actually says Marvel Now. You should be ok with any book that has this. Gradually all of their books will, I am sure. On the bottom right corner you will see a "001". Issue Number so you will know which issue is which over time very easily over time. Good luck!

sca2511 said:
Man, I thought MarvelNOW previews/Joe Quesada were going to be on Jimmy Kimmel right now. Am I missing something?
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Tuesday at Midnight I believe. So tonight.
 
Deified Data said:
+1

You're a man of fine taste.
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krypt0nian said:
But KMFDM is an exquisite flower.
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Thank you, thank you.

It's the perfect sound for Dredd. This is a good reminder to fill in the gaps on my KMFDM CD collection moving forward.

krypt0nian said:
Cho is an auto-skip for me. I don't get him at all.
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He draws the dickens out of that one lady and now he's in Serpieri trace mode, so it's even better for the non-Playboy buying crowd.
 
tim1138 said:
Did anyone manage to grab Uncanny Avengers when comixology accidentally had issues 1 and 2 available briefly last night?
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It was up?

I checked the app last night (after a notification popped up) and they were selling only Uncanny X-Men and Avengers issues when I went to the banner on my phone.
 
You listen to Kieron Gillen and you just realize he is on a completely different level than all the other marvel writers. Brah is an artist and he gets the essence of comics like no other. Youn Avengers to be book of the year next year. No doubt.
 
Also scans from Avengers Arena was posted and that shit looks as bad as I thought. Art beautiful but shitty concept.

And Gillen's YA will be the break out book. Looks awesome.
 
Rafa=FedKilla said:
You listen to Kieron Gillen and you just realize he is on a completely different level than all the other marvel writers. Brah is an artist and he gets the essence of comics like no other. Youn Avengers to be book of the year next year. No doubt.
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Nah brah he's on the same level as other brahs like Remender and Hickman.
 
Rafa=FedKilla said:
You listen to Kieron Gillen and you just realize he is on a completely different level than all the other marvel writers. Brah is an artist and he gets the essence of comics like no other. Youn Avengers to be book of the year next year. No doubt.
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Agreed. Best writer to enter mainstream comics since... well, certainly since I started really following ongoing monthly comics back in 2003.

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Some highlights from the big CBR interview:

I’m kind of looking at it as fight scenes as music videos. Each individual fight scene or action sequence is based around an individual hook. We present them in a certain way and it’s very stylistic, but it’s for the higher purpose of trying to convey how fantastical the scene is. We’re trying to give a sense that this is all part of life, but some bits are heightened. We’re trying to find another way to look at the classic big super hero beats and some of that involves reinventing stuff that has been forgotten in the same way that “Journey Into Mystery” tried to reinvent and reclaim the narrative caption.
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We start our first issue with Wiccan and Hulkling. They're our core traditional Young Avengers and everyone else gets gathered around them. As everyone who's read "The Children's Crusade" knows, Wiccan is pretty fucked up. He's lost a lot of friends and doesn't want to be a super hero anymore. He's very angry and emphatic about that. Hulkling and the other Young Avengers are out doing it on the down low though.

So when Wiccan discovers this in the first issue it's almost like he's found out that Hulkling has been cheating on him and his mistake comes from that. He tries to do something and as he does it he realizes that he's actually being kind of selfish. Because if you think about it even for a second Wiccan hasn't got a bad life. He's got extra sets of parents. He's incredibly powerful and his mom is the Scarlet Witch. As Hulkling puts it in the first issue, "That's kind of like realizing Galadriel is you mom."

&#8232;Conversely, Hulkling had his parents burned alive in front of him. He's got nothing except for Wiccan. So Wiccan slowly realizes he's being an idiot and then he makes a mistake. That mistake is the thing that gathers the rest of the team around them.

Miss America is basically protecting Wiccan from Loki, and Loki is trying to stop Wiccan from what he's doing. That leads to them all coming together to try and clean up this mess.
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The other two characters that we start with are Kate Bishop, Hawkeye, and Marvel Boy, Noh-Varr. We've seen Kate in Matt and David's "Hawkeye" series so we know that she's super heroing again.

Noh-Varr has obviously been kicked out of the Avengers. He's been told to leave Earth and the Kree hate him. So we're going to see what he's doing now. I kind of jokingly describe him as alien hipster boy. The idea is that he just loves humans, but he has this weirdly patronizing view of humanity. You know how there are people obsessed with the cultural output of one country? Noh-Varr is completely obsessed with the cultural output of Earth. He thinks, "How could I leave a place as beautiful as this?"

&#8232;So he's completely passionate, but in a slightly patronizing, distant way. A couple years back Brian Bendis reinvented him as the Protector and there's something patronizing about the word protector. It's like, "Who died and made you the protector of Earth?" So I'm kind of moving towards Grant Morrison's original conception of him as Namor. He's an interesting romantic and even sexual figure. He's alien hipster boy on the run and hated by everyone.
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Hell yeah...I loved the Young Avengers/Runaways cross over during Civil War...they set up Noh-varr well for the future....then flubbed it after that. It's like they didn't know what to do with the character....make him a new Captain Marvel....no...he's...the...er...Protector.
 
Supermanisdead said:
Rachel was too Claremontian for modern Marvel. Her indomitable will was too much for Quesada and co. to deal with. We need unstable Wanda and plucky libertarian Hope.
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But it's a leggy red in a short green skirt!

Er, I mean, how do they pass over Cyclops and Jean's daughter in this story?
 
CorvoSol said:
But it's a leggy red in a short green skirt!

Er, I mean, how do they pass over Cyclops and Jean's daughter in this story?
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because there was a new redhead to get all the attention.

it seems everytime i see rachel she seems to have some sort of scowl on her face. is that one of the side effects of time travel or something?
 
Parallax said:
because there was a new redhead to get all the attention.

it seems everytime i see rachel she seems to have some sort of scowl on her face. is that one of the side effects of time travel or something?
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It's a side-effect of having been born as a DARK AND EDGY late 80s-90s Jean Grey. They're the three faces of Eve now. Jean's the motherly one who nurtures when she isn't burning worlds to the ground, Rachel's the wife which grants her the angry face
this is a very bad joke
and now Hope is the daughter, being young and spunky and getting all the attention.

Madelyne is the seductress. That or Phoenix.
 
Young Avengers looks cool. I can't wait for Avenger Arena. Everyone is all wracked with fear about what happens to these kids.
Perhaps the real show will be the forums...
 
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