Auron_Kale
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Yes please. Such a fun take on all of these characters. Gurihiru's babies are also very cute too.
We need an ongoing series of the baby-verse, I'd buy it if it was on the level of Tiny Titans or the jl8 comic. I like my fun books.
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Yes please. Such a fun take on all of these characters. Gurihiru's babies are also very cute too.
We need an ongoing series of the baby-verse, I'd buy it if it was on the level of Tiny Titans or the jl8 comic. I like my fun books.
Jedeye Sniv
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You know he's a FICTIONAL CHARACTER, right? I think what you're more annoyed by is 20 years of bad/inconsistent writing more than anything else. Although I never unstood why cyke was the 'leader', I figure it's just inertia and following tradition more than anything else.
Angelus Errare
Banned
Well if you put it in terms like that, why do we even talk about comic characters? At all lolol. They're all fictional! I mean why are we even arguing if Cyclops is right, or not. He ain't real yo.
Cyclops has been part of great stories so it's not bad writing, I just think he's a shit character and have yet to run into a writer who made me go "man Cyclops is just fucking awesome!" Everyone writes him the same...sir Douche Mclaseraiz. Yes he's a fictional character but he's written in a consistent way to make you feel that the character could be a real person. This is how suspension of disbelief works. If you read books and watch movies within this bubble of "they're all fiction, no need to get attached." You're doing it wrong.
Pretty much sort of.
Originals, and the other core/classics. (Maybe Pre-Onslaught storyline would be a better description)
slightconfuse
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Well it's a good thing the original amen are coming back I guess
Yeah and you would be wrong, Cyclops has continously been one of the best X-Men Characters and with AvX, He was right about what needed to do to bring the mutants back. I think the character that is being written terrible recently is Captain America, It's like how they were writing Iron Man during Civil War.
Do you have any issue with Wolverines attitude during all of this? or Captain America? they all have pompus attitudes.
Why shouldn't he be the leader?
It might be a mixture of both, but there are definitely completely new mutants being introduced. Some are adults as well, as seen in AvX Consequences.
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
thats what i figured, i expect a whole new wave of purifiers/mutant hunters.
Marvel has killed most of their remaining unimportant mutants since M-Day, so they need to restock
It will also be nice to get new mutant villains. The ban on mutant characters has lead to a lot of the new x-villains being clones, or genetically modified humans. Most of whom have been forgettable.
Also, if you are still allowed to create characters with superpowers , what does it matter if they are mutants are not? Never followed Quesada's logic on that issue. I suppose it boiled down to him preferring to play with avengers toys over x-men toys as a child in the 70s.
The reason it matters is because it determines who else is able to play with those toys.
When talking about ANXM Bendis said "There are all new X-Men debuting in our first issue. Brand new characters, you're welcome Fox."
I'm assuming that's the reason there haven't been for a while - because they didn't want to give anything to Fox. If I had to guess I'd say that if something falls under the banner of "mutant" it's easier for Fox to try and lay claim to it than if it's just a super / tech-savant / alien.
Rafa=FedKilla
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And they announced even more. These will be the first comics I buy twice sine I hopped on the DCBS train for Marvel Now!
I'm not sure that's true. I think the deal with FOX specifically names every single character they're allowed to use.
I don't know if I buy that. House of M started in the first half of 2005. Given the coordination that goes along with a big event and its aftermath, I have to imagine that they started planning the event out in early 2004. Quesada was pushing the Avengers and street level hero stuff even before that. The Marvel/Paramount deal with regards to Marvel producing their own movies didn't happen until late 2004. Marvel didn't even have film rights to Hulk or Iron Man at that point in time.
Spike Spiegel
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WanderingWind
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It's never gelled with me that Cap, the greatest conservative, American as apple pie and whatnot dude wasn't hitched. Or at least, wasn't hitched for long enough to matter. Wonder if this is going to fix that.
Rafa=FedKilla
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God bless at no Falcon.
In Remender I trust. This is going to be so good.
If any major hero at the big two should be married with a kid or two, it should be Captain America. It just fits for him.
If any major hero at the big two should be married with a kid or two, it should be Captain America. It just fits for him.
Seriously, it's just kinda odd that he isn't. I guess it would get in the way of the 30 or so Avenger teams he has to run.
Escape Goat
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I looked at the Ultimate X-Men preview. WTF. Its even more stupid than the last time I looked at it. Kitty Pryde was introduced as a 12 year old who just started having her period. Now she is the leader of a mutant nation devising military strategy.
Well maybe if they had thought ahead and left Logan or Scott alive...
Yeah, true. Though, that's one thing that really doesn't jive with me bout him: he's always Captain America. Marvel really needs to let him have a social life.
Loeb needed to feed. There was nothing that could be done.
Parallax
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pym with random inventions? fucking yes!
BuddyJoeHooker
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Rick Remender said:
I might need to add another book to my sub.
He's not one of my favourite writers for science stuff since it is clear he doesn't have much background knowledge, but I think Dan Slott did a lot to raise Pym's profile as a science guy in the Marvel U.
Supermanisdead
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It's really great, ever since Brian Wood took over! It has a really awesome dystopian Sentinel wasteland thing. And Kitty is now a lot older, she's the same age as Peter Parker and he would have been 17. Nick Fury is helping her with strategy and shit, plus (MOHAWK) Storm is going to be joining pretty soon.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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chris claremont introduced her as a 12 year old and when he was done she was a master ninja computer hacker who had a dragon alien as a pet so theyre right on in that regard
I don't dislike Cyclops as a character. His fall from grace has been much more interesting to watch than Vader's at the moment. I just don't know what he was supposed to be right about?
Because the way I understand it, it was a total fluke that they all made it out of this alive.
1)He was wrong about Hope. She didn't use the Phoenix to save mutantkind. She didn't even USE the Phoenix really.
2)He was wrong to welcome the Phoenix, because for an avatar of life which once saved the universe in the M'Kraan Crystal and by rewriting reality to pair Scott and Emma, it has otherwise been incredibly vicious and all around ruined Scott's life.
3)He was wrong to attack the Avengers. You're a GOOD GUY Scott. TALK IT OUT. Fighting everyone is what Wolverine does, not YOU. You're supposed to be the leader of an entire people, and you resorted to violence WAY too quickly.
4)He listened to all the wrong people. You have chosen as your cabinet Emma Frost, former villain, Namor, former villain, and Magneto, former villain. Is it any wonder you find yourself fighting Professor X, Captain America, and Iron Man?
5)He was wrong to use the Phoenix. The man has been married to at least two Phoenix avatars, and has seen how the slightest mistake can lead right back to Dark Phoenix. You'd think that somewhere along the way he'd have remembered holding Jean moments before one of her deaths as she told him in abject terror this very thing.
The only thing he was "right" about was that the Phoenix restarted Mutantkind, and it did that on its way out after predictably causing a hell of a lot of fighting and turning him Dark Phoenix. Now his supervillain advisors have abandoned him, and a bunch of people who had NO SAY IN THE MATTER are being mutated.
Divorce that from the situation for a minute. If Mr. Sinister had had a plan 30 years ago to mutate lots of people at once, would we all be going "Sinister was right!"? I think not. I could almost swear forcible mutation was Magneto's plan in at least one X-movie, and it was certainly something terribly wrong that Wanda did during House of M. So why is it okay for Scott to do it now?
Because the way I understand it, it was a total fluke that they all made it out of this alive.
1)He was wrong about Hope. She didn't use the Phoenix to save mutantkind. She didn't even USE the Phoenix really.
2)He was wrong to welcome the Phoenix, because for an avatar of life which once saved the universe in the M'Kraan Crystal and by rewriting reality to pair Scott and Emma, it has otherwise been incredibly vicious and all around ruined Scott's life.
3)He was wrong to attack the Avengers. You're a GOOD GUY Scott. TALK IT OUT. Fighting everyone is what Wolverine does, not YOU. You're supposed to be the leader of an entire people, and you resorted to violence WAY too quickly.
4)He listened to all the wrong people. You have chosen as your cabinet Emma Frost, former villain, Namor, former villain, and Magneto, former villain. Is it any wonder you find yourself fighting Professor X, Captain America, and Iron Man?
5)He was wrong to use the Phoenix. The man has been married to at least two Phoenix avatars, and has seen how the slightest mistake can lead right back to Dark Phoenix. You'd think that somewhere along the way he'd have remembered holding Jean moments before one of her deaths as she told him in abject terror this very thing.
The only thing he was "right" about was that the Phoenix restarted Mutantkind, and it did that on its way out after predictably causing a hell of a lot of fighting and turning him Dark Phoenix. Now his supervillain advisors have abandoned him, and a bunch of people who had NO SAY IN THE MATTER are being mutated.
Divorce that from the situation for a minute. If Mr. Sinister had had a plan 30 years ago to mutate lots of people at once, would we all be going "Sinister was right!"? I think not. I could almost swear forcible mutation was Magneto's plan in at least one X-movie, and it was certainly something terribly wrong that Wanda did during House of M. So why is it okay for Scott to do it now?
Seems enough.
HomerSimpson-Man
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Someone seriously needs to take a big dump on Cyclop's front door, that's for sure.
Supermanisdead
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1) She did use the Phoenix. She went around the world stopping all the bad shit, repowering the mutants, then she (along with Wanda) destroyed it.
2) He knew about the Phoenix and he knew that it can be controlled. He admitted as much, but he believed Hope could control it with willpower and training. It was mostly on faith, though, you are right.
3) Debatable on who started the shit though. If the Avengers wanted to talk, they wouldn't land in force, uninvited, on the shore of Utopia. That immediately sends the wrong message.
4) You mean the same Professor X who enslaved Danger for years, covered up the death of the second group of teenage mutants and frequently read/tampered with minds without permission? Or Tony Stark, Civil War scumbag? Emma and Namor have been heroes for much longer than they have been villains. And Magneto has proven his place as an Xman over the years.
5) Jean had the Phoenix for a long time before she was corrupted... not by the Phoenix, but by a telepath from the HFC. He's also the father of a woman who has stored the Phoenix for years and had no problem. DPS and the Warsong/Endsong is one thing, but 10+ years of Exalibur and Jean's time as Phoenix are another.
When you say that people didn't have a choice to become mutants. Big whoop, millions didn't have a choice to become humans and, in some cases, die from it. Mutants are the next step in evolution and the Phoenix is just fixing what Wanda ruined in her tantrum. You can't wipe out mutantkind and say "hey, no more anti-mutant prejudice. why would we want mutants anyways?"
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Decimation put Cyclops in a real desperate situation and he started making more and more compromises. Really the time to stop this downward spiral was a long time ago. When he put together the Extinction team and it was filled with villains the writing was on the wall for me. It was only a matter of time before he fell.
It'll be interesting to see his rise back up, hopefully whoever does it can expand on his character. He deserves a sort of samurai journey around the world fighting all sorts of little injustices and learning from his experiences. What will probably happen is some bullshit will occur and he'll be instantly good again or will be replaced by his past self and his present self will be a new super villain.
I want this cover all over my face.
Angelus Errare
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So because they had pompous attitudes that justifies Cyke's pompous attitude? Yea, it kinda doesn't work like that. And I disagree with Cyke being right, arming yourself with nuclear missiles is not how you bring back endangered species.
In a hypothetical scenario, say Avengers staying out of the entire thing. We'd just get the over emotional Hope with Phoenix Force without Wanda's hex magic...yes, I can see that ending swimmingly well! Kinda like how at the end of issue 12 she was about to do the exact same thing Scott and the P5 did because she already developed a God complex until Wanda talked into giving up the power.
Incorrect, Wanda working with Hope is what repowered the mutants, as a side effect it vacated Hope's body. Without Wanda this would not have happened, and we'd have an over emotional and angry girl with the power of Phoenix. If it were that simple, Cyclops could have repowered them himself without Hope...yet he didn't. The whole thing basically required Wanda, and if Wanda wasn't there. We'd have Hope basically wrecking shit with no one to stop her barring say Magneto giving her a aneurism. As for going around stopping all the bad shit...who's fault was all that bad shit exactly...oh...yea Dark Phoenix Cyclops. Funny thing is Hope forgot to fix Wakanda...who's fault was Wakanda...oh yeah Phoenix empowered Namor.
I think we're looking at different comics, you can't control Phoenix and if you can Cyke definitely wasn't an example of "control" the only person who's been any decent at controlling it was Rachel and Jean both of them very power telepaths and both of them emotinally distant. Something neither Scott nor Hope are, and as proven yet again in AvX, the smallest emotional outburst makes one go nutso.
Captain Amerca tried talking back in Schism, didn't work. Captain America came to Utopia uninvited true, but he even says he didn't come to fight. Scott was the one who fired the first shot.
And Tony Starks and Professor X have been a heroes longer than he's been "villians" quid pro quo.
You know the thing Cyclops doesn't have in common with Jean or Rachel...he's not a telepath nor is he anywhere near an emotionally stable person. Scott lasted all of 3 issues before he went nutso, you're not making a good argument as proof it can be controlled...especially by Scott. As far as corruption, it's a two way system. Phoenix feeds off the emotions of it's host, you basically have to be emotionless to grasp the entity, and let's face is...lol Cyclops is nowhere near the emotionless end of the spectrum, dude whines and cries more than gerber babies getting their shots yo.
This sounds like some Magneto type stuff right here. Mutants might be the next step but Cyclops and Co aren't gods who can decide who gets to take this step or who doesn't. Yes Phoenix made more mutants, but again...did these people want to be mutants? There's nothing suggesting that Phoenix simply repowered the same people who were depowered. Who's to even say everyone who was depowered wanted to be repowered?
At the end of it, it was never Scott's choice to make.
Replace mutants with blonde hair blue eye, and phoenix force with nuclear bombs. It suddenly becomes clear the ends do not justify the means.
The idea is that they should have worked together from the start. That Cap shouldn't have gone in ready for war from jump, that all of this could have been prevented by talking it out.
Supermanisdead
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No, they didn't force mutation on people. They restarted evolution and allowed a race to come back from the brink of extinction. The people who turned mutants didn't have a choice, yes. But they didn't have a choice to be male/female, x race, x ethnicity, etc. If not for the death of Prof X, Cyclops would be 1000% right in AvX. People who turned into mutants would have become mutants (or equal amounts of others) if not for Wanda's spell. They, and every hero, had the obligation to put mutants back on the map.
As for your last point: Considering mutants have moved from metaphors for black civil rights, to gay rights, to Jewish persecution and genocide, your analogy fits Wanda much more than Cyclops. Replace mutants with black, gay or Jewish and suddenly "no more mutants" becomes a lot more serious than people losing the power to fly and shit.
The Take Out Bandit
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Where are people getting the Cap as conservative bullshit?
I'm going to have to pin this on the left leaning Portlandia crew that pens most of their stuff these days. Steve Englehart was a conscientious objector to the Vietnam war and wrote Cap for many years, meanwhile all Bendis has had to conscientiously object to is creating anything new - rehash Spiderman, rehash Secret Wars, rehash Avengers Vs. X-Men, so on and so forth.
Cap has almost always been characterized as a New Deal Democrat.
Non-Captain America fans need to stop projecting their retarded hatred of America and Fox News on Cap. He's not Rush Limbaugh in tights, and if that's how they're portraying him in the comics these days then it's time to start firing people.
Cap stands for The American Dream and not the political ideals of any one political party.
I'm going to have to pin this on the left leaning Portlandia crew that pens most of their stuff these days. Steve Englehart was a conscientious objector to the Vietnam war and wrote Cap for many years, meanwhile all Bendis has had to conscientiously object to is creating anything new - rehash Spiderman, rehash Secret Wars, rehash Avengers Vs. X-Men, so on and so forth.
Cap has almost always been characterized as a New Deal Democrat.
Non-Captain America fans need to stop projecting their retarded hatred of America and Fox News on Cap. He's not Rush Limbaugh in tights, and if that's how they're portraying him in the comics these days then it's time to start firing people.
Cap stands for The American Dream and not the political ideals of any one political party.
Supermanisdead
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When will your fave flop comics cause endless GAF debates? X-Men forever. God bless.
The Take Out Bandit
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I'm aiming above the hoi polloi, so it doesn't matter to me. ^_^
However it is amusing that my favorite flop comics (Red Hulk) sold best under the reign of Loeb, and has been in a steady downward trajectory since he and his collaborators left the title. :3
So we're at an impasse if you're arguing that flops ≠ quality. Everybody loves that Parker and fill-in artists Rulk, but by all accounts it's a flop. What to do, what to do?
Parallax
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Hold up, people are bashing cap due to some supposed political slant?
News to me, I always just figured he didn't bother with that kinda stuff. My earlier remarks on him was just a bit surprised he doesn't have an average wife and 2.5 kids somewhere with a white picket fence, he just seems like the kinda guy who would like that sort of thing. Dude's just got too many Avenger teams to run.
The Take Out Bandit
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Once you get older and start talking to young people, you'll realize why Cap isn't married to someone of today. I talk to young people and am disgusted by their lack of knowledge and experience. I'd imagine a World War II veteran would be even more offended by the vapid bobbleheads our society craps out these days.
Although playing it for the comedy could be great. Cap comes home after mission and the girl is blasting some Katy Perry or dubstep, and in the next panel you see him packing his bags.
WanderingWind
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No. Just another TOB rant with no specific target. Conservative doesn't mean Tea Party affiliation or Republican in every context. Cap has always been written as reserved and conservative in his actions. As in, non-flashy or really over the top. Always seemed to be the kind of guy to marry at some point, even with the dedication to duty thing.
Eh I suppose your right about Cap, dude is from a different time after all. Still doesn't mean he can't find someone who doesn't suck, have some chick from WW2 be frozen in time and unfreeze her ass or something. Cap needs some love, maybe he wouldn't be such a dick if he got some. Dude is a living legend, I'm sure there's someone out there for him.
The Take Out Bandit
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Sharon Carter makes perfect sense. They may be separated by time, but a common bond as soldiers is there.
That's all well and fancy, except being gay, Jewish, or whatever isn't the same as being a Mutant. Being a Mutant can mean that ANYONE YOU TOUCH DIES. Why in the HELL would I WANT that? Being a mutant means my body is covered in horns. Means I'm a giant, see-through jelly blob. Means I look like a chicken. Means I can never look the love of my life in the eyes because my eyes constantly shoot lasers. Means I'm constantly smelly.
Mutants aren't another race. It's stupid propaganda that the X-Men tried to pass off and failed, and here's why: Because when Wanda said No More Mutants, do you know what happened? They didn't cease to exist. They turned into human beings. Which makes sense, because they're humans.
Scott forced mutancy upon a population he NEVER consulted. And you can argue "they didn't ask to be human either" but it's one thing to be stuck something because you were born that way and quite another to FORCE SOMEONE TO BE SOMETHING WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT.
Not all mutants get cool powers like ice control or flight. Some of them undergo horrific mutations, depriving them of all manner of joys of human life. It's just fine for Scott and Magneto to get on their high horses about how being a Mutant is great, but tell that to the poor kid who will never have a girlfriend or kids because he was born as a sentient gas. Tell that to the poor girl who will never know human touch because her touch kills instantly.
All you have done here is show how wrong Scott was. I blasted him for being a dictator who was willing to use a young girl to acquire Phoenix Power he would then have to terminate or use as his own nuclear deterrent. I've already mentioned but it bears repeating that he was associating with two dictators and a former member of a shady club who helped create the first Dark Phoenix. He fought against the guys who are called EARTH'S MIGHTIEST HEROES. Then he got the Phoenix power and used it in a way that Jean NEVER would have. Then he attacks the woman he allegedly loves, goes Dark Phoenix and offs the man who was like a father to him.
And to top it all off, before he has ever acquired any of this power, he's already planning at playing God and forcing people to undergo physical transformations so that they will again be Mutants which, oh how convenient, he happens to claim to be the sole and rightful leader of the entire race.
How is Scott not the villain in AvX? He raised a teenage girl to become the avatar of a force which destroys planets and roflstomped Gods like Thor, and intends to have that girl at his disposal and have her loyal to him, conveniently assigning his son to raise her and give her the family name. His goal is to mutate human beings without their consent, and he just so happens to rule the mutant race. Then he goes Dark Phoenix, when has anyone who is Dark Phoenix ever been the good guy?
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