So am I and dear god do I hope it's a great book. Or at least good.
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So am I and dear god do I hope it's a great book. Or at least good.
<3 this guy
It was a pretty awesome first issue, glad I jumped on it. Also helps that it's $2.99.
Auron_Kale
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It's one of those things where I hope to God Bendis can make this work really really well... since the potential for total fuck up is there.
He does great stuff with Ultimate Spider-man, it's just a matter of somehow translating that talent over to All New X-Men.
Auron_Kale
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That's the thing. He's done great work and crappy work. When it's good, it's pretty great, when it's crap... man I feel so blah/numb after reading it.
I just want the former, that's all.
Still, I have hope so just gotta wait for come out.
Yup, he sounds excited about this so I have a bit of hope.
I honestly think that Bendis can be a fantastic writer when he wants to be. He has too many great stories (or what I believe to be great, anyway) to ever believe he is bad. It is more a question of if he is "into it" or not. I think he really only falls short in dialogue and even then, I don't think it is THAT awful if you consider where is he coming from.
Rafa=FedKilla
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Where is he coming from?
Father_Brain
Banned
The quality of a Bendis story, generally speaking, is inversely proportionate to the size of the cast he's writing. My expectations are pretty low for any team book with his name on it.
His deficiencies at pacing/plotting/continuity/distinct characterization were more forgivable earlier in his Avengers run, when he was a genuinely fresh voice with a new approach to the material and one could more easily overlook things like deus ex machina endings or the entirety of Disassembled/House of M being founded on a massive continuity error*, but he wore out his welcome for me sometime around Secret Invasion.
*His explanation for Wanda going insane hinged on the notion that she had no memory of her children or their quasi-deaths. While her memory was erased shortly after the story where the kids were written out, it was restored in a story published years before Disassembled.
What I mean by that is what he is trying to convey when his characters are talking. When he has characters repeat themselves like
"Wow you an Avenger?"
"Yup"
"Like, THE Avengers?"
"Yup"
this is him attempting to show disbelief in the person meeting avenger xyz. He also uses this same tactic to show awkwardness and sometimes uses it in a way that is meant to be funny.
The delivery isn't always great and since he does this so much, it really gets tedious. I think that is his biggest issue.
Agreed, he seems to do great when it comes to street-level characters. His Daredevil run was fantastic, same with Ultimate Spider-Man.
ViewtifulJC
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"rhetorical question to no one in particular"
"Rephrase/repeating rhetorical question"
"generic exclamation!"
"snarky joke"
"What?"
Those are his team-writing book guidelines. I like to think he's got them on a board and he uses darts to figure out what to say next.
The best team books have clear, defined characterization for each member, treating them as individuals. You can read lines of dialog and know which character is saying what because of how it's phrased, the speaking cadence, and what sentence actually is. Jason Aaron gets this, Rick Remender gets this, Claremont most definitely got it. Claremont can have over a dozen characters on a single page, and they all have defined personality. Beast doesn't sound like Wolverine who doesn't sound like Kitty who doesn't sound like the other teen Wolverine protegee Jubilee. They are all unique people with their own personalities, and they bring something unique to the book.
Bendis team books don't do this shit. You can scramble half of Hawkeye/Spidey/Luke Cage/Wonder Man/etc dialog and it wouldn't be too jarring or unbelievable. It's all generic jokes and shouting, repeating what the other person said in a failed attempt to be subversive and clever. It's so self-aware and cookie cutter and fuckin' annoying. There aren't any characters, they're ciphers for Bendis dialog, this half-ass David Mamet, Glengarry Glen Ross shist. You get some of the best artists in the business drawing your books like Romita Jr and Deodato Jr and Chris freakin' Bachalo and you waste them to talking heads and stretching out stories to 6-issues of painful decompression.
/fuckbendis
I can't find the image, but someone actually photoshopped this for one of the Fear Itself talking-head tie-in issues last year.
Without a copy of the actual issue, you'd never have a clue which was the original.
looking forward to reading the new Manhattan Projects tonight. finishing FF made me realize how insane MP is going to get in a few years.
mmmm PREACH
mmmm PREACH
Supermanisdead
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Lol. I remember back when I was reading New Avengers and Iron Fist joined and left before I even realized he was part of the team.
I tried to read it last night but had totally forgotten everything that had happened previously. Gonna read the entire thing again now. Not that that's a bad thing
ViewtifulJC
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Deadpool was aight, better than Iron Man simply because it had MUUUUUUCH better artwork. Like, I can't stretch my arms wide enough to express the gulf in artistry displayed by Tony Moore compared to Greg Land.
slightconfuse
Banned
X-factor 246 might be better than WATXM !7.
Also
such an underrated book
Also
i thought jason aaron was heartless, but peter david just bought it to a whole new level. WHAT THE FUCKK
PIP
PIP
such an underrated book
slightconfuse
Banned
X-force
man Remenders deadpool is amazing. my favorite take besides joe kelly.
also daken is the best he has been
man Remenders deadpool is amazing. my favorite take besides joe kelly.
also daken is the best he has been
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
X-factor 246 might be better than WATXM !7.
Alsoi thought jason aaron was heartless, but peter david just bought it to a whole new level. WHAT THE FUCKK
PIP
such an underrated book
Its weird how much character movement he had to do with the roster lately. Also wtf is Darwin
Seconded. It's been such a fun series.
I wasn't going to pick up Iron Man #1 because of the Greg Land art, but Gillen made me do it. I enjoyed it, despite Land's amazing talent to draw the same woman over and over again. I liked the new colour scheme of the outfit, I liked what I hoped was going to be a theme in the book
Tony questioning the fundamentals of things, which I hope leads into some Hickman like weirdness
Comic related, so I thought I should post it here.
GF gave me some early birthday presents.
#121 & #122
Avengers' heads baking pan, comic book cookie cutters, Avengers' heads cookie cutters, and Spidey Spatula.
I was so surprised and giddy. She got me into Spider-Man by buying my first TASM Vol. 1 Essentials, then the TASM Omnibus Vol. 1, and now these. She's keeping it alive.
GF gave me some early birthday presents.
#121 & #122
Avengers' heads baking pan, comic book cookie cutters, Avengers' heads cookie cutters, and Spidey Spatula.
I was so surprised and giddy. She got me into Spider-Man by buying my first TASM Vol. 1 Essentials, then the TASM Omnibus Vol. 1, and now these. She's keeping it alive.
Mac the KNife
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Marry her.
Yessir it is. I'll edit my post to clarify. Avengers' heads baking pan, Comic book cookie cutters, and Avengers' heads cookie cutters. Can't wait to use them, hahah. Omnom
You have to marry this girl, after she makes you Avenger head brownies.
slightconfuse
Banned
My delicious sense is tingling
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
This guy at the shop told me Bendis is an acquired taste.
slightconfuse
Banned
Bendis is hit and miss. ultimate spidey and new avenger vol 1 and alias are awesome.
and deadpool was fantastic
and deadpool was fantastic
The Take Out Bandit
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I would return it because it's Absolute Final Crisis. ^_^
EleventhDoctor
Banned
Am I the only one that didn't like Deadpool?
I prefer him in UXF.
I prefer him in UXF.
The Take Out Bandit
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Am I the only one that didn't like Deadpool?
I prefer him in UXF.
Read it.
Was unmoved.
I guess if you want Super Carrot Top, then it's okay. :\
Not Tony Moore's best work either which is kind of a bummer.
slightconfuse
Banned
His protrayal in UXF is top notch but Deadpool 1was just fun book
Thought I'd come in here to say hello and return to the Comic Book Collecting / Reading community. It's been a long time since I purchased a physical Comic Book... almost 7 years. I picked up Shadowman #1 yesterday, I used to love the comic back in the 90's might pick up some other Valiant Comics in the near future... gonna dust off my collections I have at my parents. I also bought Roybn Hood # 1 & # 2... Female Archer dressed in green... couldn't resist.
I had an Uncanny X-Men run from 266 to 466... I should try to sell it, I've lost near all intrest in the X-men.
I had an Uncanny X-Men run from 266 to 466... I should try to sell it, I've lost near all intrest in the X-men.
The Take Out Bandit
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Black Kiss 2 just keeps giving.
I would love to be a fly on the wall of Chaykin's studio to bear witness to his process. This man just shames a wide swath of artists working in the industry today, and he's doing it on a book that's magnificently off the rails.
I would love to be a fly on the wall of Chaykin's studio to bear witness to his process. This man just shames a wide swath of artists working in the industry today, and he's doing it on a book that's magnificently off the rails.
Bendis can definitely be a good writer. And I think he can write the original five and present Cyclops good, I'm not worried about then. My only concern is his handling of Wolverine which has been a joke character in the Avengers for the last 5, 6 years. And Bendis said this book will be about Cyclops, Logan and Jean.
Unfortunately he just doesn't understand, maybe don't want to understand the character.
The Take Out Bandit
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I may cut Manhattan Projects.
The combination of $3.50 cover price, shitty paperstock, and Nick Pitarra's art is pushing me away.
I know folks love to crap on IDW's pricing; but IDW books generally feel like a quality product.
The combination of $3.50 cover price, shitty paperstock, and Nick Pitarra's art is pushing me away.
I know folks love to crap on IDW's pricing; but IDW books generally feel like a quality product.
krypt0nian
Banned
Isn't that comic porn?
Careful when Little Billy wants mommy to buy him some funny books.
Uncanny Avengers #3 has been delayed till January 16th http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/11/09/a-december-without-uncanny-avengers/
Well, that's what happens when you try to get John fucking Cassaday on an ongoing. At least it's not a bi-weekly.
Thinning the herd again, read my last issue of Batman and Robin with #13. Decent book, but i'm buying too many and i don't find Batman and Robin to really stand out despite liking Gleason's artwork and being a general fan of Damien. Will pick up the trade if it gets great reviews.
Also....need more Absolute Final Crisis funky binding picture feedback to make my decision!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also also, i was silly and bought 2 issues of Uncanny Avengers #1 since dcbs had them for 99 cents and i thought having another issue for collector's purposes would be neat but now i don't care so first one to quote this post gets the digital code.
Also....need more Absolute Final Crisis funky binding picture feedback to make my decision!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also also, i was silly and bought 2 issues of Uncanny Avengers #1 since dcbs had them for 99 cents and i thought having another issue for collector's purposes would be neat but now i don't care so first one to quote this post gets the digital code.
krypt0nian
Banned
Thinning the herd again, read my last issue of Batman and Robin with #13. Decent book, but i'm buying too many and i don't find Batman and Robin to really stand out despite liking Gleason's artwork and being a general fan of Damien. Will pick up the trade if it gets great reviews.
Also....need more Absolute Final Crisis funky binding picture feedback to make my decision!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also also, i was silly and bought 2 issues of Uncanny Avengers #1 since dcbs had them for 99 cents and i thought having another issue for collector's purposes would be neat but now i don't care so first one to quote this post gets the digital code.
Quoted the hell outta it. And thanks.
Yeah, his last 2 or maybe even 3 years of avengers stuff have been really underwhelming...he was smart to quit the books before it became even worse.
To me it seems like Bendis was just making up stuff as the series continued after the first years. He threw a lot of stuff in the air to see what would stick, then abandoned a lot of plot points. He didn't have a long term plan anymore, and end goal. That's one of the reasons I'm excited about Hickman.
DC's trade department is assy as hell, you'll probably just get a worse one back. If that reads fine just keep it.Also....need more Absolute Final Crisis funky binding picture feedback to make my decision!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, Secret Invasion felt like the "end" of his run, then Siege happened (which was actually pretty good) and then that felt like the end. Then it just kept going. The beginning of The Heroic Age would've been the perfect time for him to exit. After "The Avengers" came back and "New Avengers" relaunched, I just kind of lost interest.
I like Bendis just fine, but I think, much like Geoff Johns, he enjoyed "sticking the landing" so much that he tried to stretch it out as far as it'd go, which can get tiresome.
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