Opus Angelorum
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Well that underlines my assumption.
Now if Sony can bring that ratio up then great, but if the majority of PSVita owners are using Ps+ to play games...where does that leave retail and third parties?
PS+ for PS Vita comes next week with FW 2.00, games revealed (WOW)
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Well that underlines my assumption.
Now if Sony can bring that ratio up then great, but if the majority of PSVita owners are using Ps+ to play games...where does that leave retail and third parties?
ThisWreckage
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Playstation Plus is the smartest thing Sony did this generation and it's going to be integral to the PS4's success.
Great to see Sony actually make some good decisions regarding the Vita 
I am gonna get a 12 month subscription now
Quick Question: Are the games which are available for free only available for a limited time e.g. If you don't download Gravity Rush in the next x months then you don't get it for free? Also, I assume that as long as I have my sub I can always go back and play all the games which were free?
I am gonna get a 12 month subscription now
Quick Question: Are the games which are available for free only available for a limited time e.g. If you don't download Gravity Rush in the next x months then you don't get it for free? Also, I assume that as long as I have my sub I can always go back and play all the games which were free?
Opus Angelorum
Member
I'd suggest it's going to be mandatory.
Well that depends on if the PS4 can even play PS3 games lol
Opus Angelorum
Member
Well I meant in regards to the larger ecosystem. I think it will become much more integrated like Xbox Live.
michaelius
Banned
Great to see Sony actually make some good decisions regarding the Vita
I am gonna get a 12 month subscription now
Quick Question: Are the games which are available for free only available for a limited time e.g. If you don't download Gravity Rush in the next x months then you don't get it for free? Also, I assume that as long as I have my sub I can always go back and play all the games which were free?
You have to "buy" them for 0$ in the shop during the period they are available, after that you can redownload them any time you want as long as your sub is active.
I think its an exceptional appeal if you have both, but I think there is a good incentive for a new Vita owner too.
I mean, talking in UK monies, you can now get a PS Vita + memory card + a game + maybe 20-odd more games from PS+ over the next 12 months for... less than £250, total. Maybe you can do even better than that, I'm just looking at amazon prices. I think Sony needs to find ways to communicate this better. They should try and find a way to persuade retail to show what you can get in a 'bundled up' way with PS+, for new owners.
On a side note, it made me wonder what my average cost per Vita game has been between one thing and another so far. Between different deals (and a couple of Amazon mistakes
), I've spent 94 euros on 5 retail Vita games, at an avg of 19 euros. When the PS+ games hit that avg will come down to 13 euros over 7 games, effectively (since I have + already).Dirtyshubb
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I agree about next Gen, if Sony are smart they will basically merge Gaikai and PS+ and turn it into Netflix for games. Of course with brand new games it could be a problem but when it comes to the huge library of PS1, PS2, PS3, PSN, PSP, games you could have access to best library out there, all for a monthly fee.
I know there would be problems getting this set up but as Netflix and PS+ have shown it can work and would be a HUGE selling point, why buy 720 and pay for Gold when you can get a PS4 and + and have access to all those games instantly, with no need to download either.
Thanks for the explanation mate
Where is the cheapest place to buy a PSN+ subscription from? I assume that I can buy one from the states and use it on my Australian Vita as long as the account I use has access to the US store?
Opus Angelorum
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As I asked before though, were does this leave third parties and retail if Ps+ takes off?
bishopcruz
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Join us. You know you want to. COD is $50 at retail, so you can probably flip it on BST for like $40 or so.
If you don't care what you want to play, then yes.
I am mostly other than console FPS shooter gamer that leaves me with a little interesting content for my Ps 3
Certainly for catalog titles...yeah, I think this almost might erase motivation for catalog sales. But I would reckon Sony doesn't benefit so much from those sales... I think a huge proportion of them are probably second hand? I wonder how much heavy second-hand purchasers would change once they adopt something like PS+.
For new title sales, IMO what it can do is bring a system back into a player's consciousness.
I will readily admit my Vita has been gathering dust, LBP aside more recently. I had mostly written it off even for my own purposes. But this boosts its value a lot. It'll get me coming back to my Vita more.
More mindshare, more gaming time, will probably mean more sales on that platform. I think a certain amount about how much we spend on a platform is based on how much we use it and our sentiment toward it. If Sony can make more existing Vita owners 'active' on their Vita, it'll probably make them more inclined to invest in more, newer, games for it, beyond what PS+ is using to bring them back.
Opus Angelorum
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Of course the opposite could happen and some people might not be willing to pay retail price for any future titles, instead waiting for it to appear on Ps+.
It will be interesting to watch.
I'd say it's already taken off, especially since the move to offering full retail games. Retailers can and do sell PS+ subscription cards, so they're not too affected as plenty of people still buy games in the usual way as well as or instead of Plus. As for publishers, they have to agree to feature their games on Plus so they must be happy with the service otherwise none of them would put their games on there.
I don't think third parties will be concerned since they can control their participation. And as suggested in my last post, I think this is mostly a catalog games service. It's a way for Sony - and third parties - to make a bit of money on games they're no longer money on at retail. And to promote older franchise games in the run up to new iterations. I think the bet on Sony's part is that most PS+ subscribers who are interested in new games will still be interested in getting new games. More heavily 'catalog' purchasers who buy into PS+ aren't much of a loss on this front if they weren't buying many new games in the first place.
Retail is the more interesting question. I think their attitude to PS+ will depend on their second hand business - if they can see it as a threat in the way I've suggested - and also, of course, on what kind of cut Sony might give them. I have seen some retail here get more active with promotion of PS+ since E3 - since Sony actually started sending out official retail PoS material for PS+ for the first time - but I think it benefit Sony if it can go further. Sony should be trying to show at retail exactly what current and upcoming PS+ offerings a new purchaser will get...but that will require fairly regular refreshing of PoS material, and thus more retailer cooperation, and thus more retail acceptance of the idea.
Canis lupus
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What would you do: get the game you've been dying to try out, or wait another year for it to hit ps+?
toastyToast
Member
Do I have to actually download something to secure it when I wanna end my + subscription or, does the system keep track of the date I joined and make that batch of stuff accessible?
This would be fantastic, if Sony could get it to work. GameTap did similar on PC and had publishers signed up to it, so I don't see why it couldn't work for older titles if Sony wanted to go down that route. I for one hope they do.
People can already wait for new games to hit bargain prices or second hand bargain prices.
There's a segment of the audience that wants games day one and doesn't mind paying for it. The whole business depends on it, not just PS+ really.
PS+ might be decreasing the cost of 'older' games further still vs retail price cuts and second hand, but I think the bet is that new purchaser behaviour won't be adversely affected. I would guess that Sony has been watching existing PS+ subscribers closely to gauge this and that they've been happy enough to date...and I'm sure they'll be watching closely again as it grows out to hit maybe more people beyond the core. They will be able to compare new purchase behaviour before and after someone subs. Beyond a certain core I would expect a more adverse effect on new game purchasing, but the question is what proportion of new purchases come from those segments vs the gain in catalog revenue a platform holder might get from this.
As long as you download it before your subscription ends, you have it "forever". You just can't play it unless your subscription is active.
The PS+ content for PS3, in the EU at least, has been pretty diverse. I seldom play shooters and I'm not wanting for content at all.
Dirtyshubb
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You have to at least 'purchase' it so its on your download list but you dont actually have to download it. If you dont then im afraid your out of luck.
Thats why i always make sure to purchase every game that is free, just in case i decide later on to try it out.
I wish we could check what games we have through plus, that would be a very interesting list to see as im sure i have tonnes of them now since i have been a + member since day 1.
I NEED SCISSORS
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Okay, Sony, you got me. I will subscribe to PS+ now. If I grab one of the games collection titles, is it always in my download list from then on, but only playable if I am subscribed? So, in effect, your collection will just grow so long as you are a PS+ member? And you can take breaks from subscribing and they will still be there?
Exactly!
yup as long as you remember to add the games the collection will just grow, and yes they are only playable if you are subbed. If you resub all of your previous games will be playable again.
something most people don't mention is with the cloud saves though. If you let your sub lapse for more then something like 2 months your cloud saves will be gone.
In related news to the topic at hand, The 32gb memory cards have climbed from around #300 at about 2pm central time yesterday to #119 in amazon's top sellers. It seems the magic of a good instant game collection is starting already
I usually don't buy at d1 anyway, don't you think that between 18 games(dunno if in eu is the same number) there will be one or two games that i could like?
Man 50€ for a year full of games for ps3 and vita, with 50€ i bought most wanted vita alone, i will not complain.
Yep, that's how it works. You just won't be able to download new PS+ titles during any breaks, obviously - and if you miss a game and it gets removed from +, you'll have to pay for it if you want it.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I already have five of the six games, but still a great deal. Once they add Vita titles I don't own I'll probably spring for Plus. Only makes sense since I also have a PS3, and one sub covers both platforms.
Also a sigh of relief seeing Jet Set Radio. I was worried we weren't going to see it.
Also a sigh of relief seeing Jet Set Radio. I was worried we weren't going to see it.
michaelius
Banned
Chances are they will still buy a game or two per year.
IrishNinja
Member
bro how you gonna prosthelytize your wicked cause/make my wallet weep whilst not answering my actual question though
also please say i didnt miss the Persona sale, i think i did
I NEED SCISSORS
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:bow Sony :bow
iirc, most attach rates for consoles are only a handful of titles. and that is for the entire gen. similar to the way free-to-play works, this could be a worthwhile business model.
iirc, most attach rates for consoles are only a handful of titles. and that is for the entire gen. similar to the way free-to-play works, this could be a worthwhile business model.
From the EU blog comments:
The titles that will be on sale with 20% off:
Escape Plan
Unit 13
Hustle Kings
MotorStorm RC
Super Stardust Delta and Advanced Star Fighter Pack Bundle
Top Darts
Little Deviants
Modnation Racers: Road Trip
Reality Fighters
So it seems that if the EU team keep their word, none of those will be on Plus in Europe. Considering they've said the game refresh rate is 2 games per month for Vita, it'll be interesting to see what titles they do add.
The titles that will be on sale with 20% off:
Escape Plan
Unit 13
Hustle Kings
MotorStorm RC
Super Stardust Delta and Advanced Star Fighter Pack Bundle
Top Darts
Little Deviants
Modnation Racers: Road Trip
Reality Fighters
So it seems that if the EU team keep their word, none of those will be on Plus in Europe. Considering they've said the game refresh rate is 2 games per month for Vita, it'll be interesting to see what titles they do add.
IrishNinja
Member
maaaaan all they gotta do is toss katamari in there for free (or discount) and that's basically my list
also a PSN sale on dracula x chronicles, patapons, trails in the sky etc wouldnt hurt
also a PSN sale on dracula x chronicles, patapons, trails in the sky etc wouldnt hurt
PS+ is ideal for me, as I treat both Sony systems as second systems.
I wouldn't say that...unless they've said so in the comments? 20% off for one week at the start wouldn't preclude those games appearing a bit later on as freebies...i'm sure on PS3 there have been cases of games being discounted for plus at one point while appearing as part of the instant games collection later (like maybe several months later).
Well in their comments they were asked whether those games would be on Plus and said they wouldn't add them. The bolded is from one of the blog staff:
actually they were asked "Are the 20% off titles likely to appear for free in the service any time soon?"
all that response means is that those games won't be freebies any time soon. I wouldn't be surprised one bit if 2-3 months from now at least 1 of them was a freebie as that is at least not right after a discount.
That is the policy NA seems to have anymore, there was an uproar from people after they put a game on a discount and then put it out for free on plus thus they took their we won't put any games that were on sale on plus soon after it was on sale, but they have said that the games could still go free a few months down the line.
Hmmm. OK. Doesn't bother me too much - particularly if it means some 'bigger' games will have to be in the games collection! - but we'll see if that still holds true down the line...
Callibretto
Member
wow, is this true? good for Sony. I like what they've been doing recently, especially with plus, so it's nice that it work out for them. I remember some people skeptical about plus and how it's gonna bite Sony in the ass.
Black Republican
Member
nice to hear JSR out next week, wooo!
That is what they were asked. Their response was they will "avoid having them in the service so we don't meet that situation" which could mean any length of time up to "forever".
CoachKevin
Member
Card sales are continuing to go up into this morning:
Haha, wow. Sony are rubbing their hands.
E: Up 109% to number 280 on Amazon UK. Was 587!