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jon bones said:
the suggested reading list for conquest i got was:

annihilation conquest prologue
starlord 1-4
nova 1-4
annihilation conquest #6

i finished the prologue and then found myself just reading other stuff... when i do finally finish conquest, i'll probably just stick to nova/gotg because too many of these tie ins are of middling quality.
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After Conquest the tie-ins aren't as severe in quality issues, but much more relevant to the stories. I don't know how purchasable these are these days (I know the War of Kings HC is super rare, which kinda sucks for you because it contained everything important in one book) but I was able to get through to Thanos after Conquest by simply reading the GOTG/Nova books and buying the War of Kings and Realm of Kings hardcovers. The problem you'll run into if you stick to just GOTG/Nova is that WoK leads directly to RoK which iirc is the cause of the problem in Thanos. Events in GotG basically build to a part of Thanos.
 
Of All Trades said:
After Conquest the tie-ins aren't as severe in quality issues, but much more relevant to the stories. I don't know how purchasable these are these days (I know the War of Kings HC is super rare, which kinda sucks for you because it contained everything important in one book) but I was able to get through to Thanos after Conquest by simply reading the GOTG/Nova books and buying the War of Kings and Realm of Kings hardcovers. The problem you'll run into if you stick to just GOTG/Nova is that WoK leads directly to RoK which iirc is the cause of the problem in Thanos. Events in GotG basically build to a part of Thanos.
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yeah fuck it, this is my whole problem with these epic crossover events. you get too many other artists/authors throwing their tie ins into the story and the quality varies and suffers for it.

it's all good, re-reading FF is a dream and will tide me over til new avengers/avengers/uncanny avengers kicks off.

i want to narrow it down to 5 solid marvel titles (good for them for putting so much quality out, though):

hawkeye
new avengers
avengers
uncanny avengers
???

uxf is ending and watxm is blowing donkey goats so maybe i'll start that new remender cap series. two remenders, two hickmans, one fraction/aja what could go wrong?
 
Technically, the Frank Cho book is called "Savage Wolverine". So, now, Adjectiveless Wolverine, also, holy shit Cornell going back to Marvel.
 
ViewtifulJC said:
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snikt snikt bub, bub-snikt /wolverinedialog

whatever, Alan Davis is drawing it, that's all that really matters
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I could do with less wolverine in my life.
 
sillymonkey321 said:
Even though i like Cornell's work overall i doubt i'll give his wolverine book a chance unless it's an incredibly intriguing concept.
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Rule of 3 everything, friend. You never knew when you could be pleasantly surprised. If you have any friends that are picking it up, why not read their copy and see if you like it? That is what I do with a few friends anyway. We pick up different books when new ones come out and read each others' stuff to see what we like and go from there. It's a good way to save money and still be experimental.

but if you don't wanna rule of 3 Nova, I totally understand as I am having a hard time getting myself to want to.

Also that Hawkeye 4 trailer already has me laughing.
 
Sblargh said:
X-23 since we already have one solo Wolverine ongoing?
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Not likely, as the Avengers Arena setup would seem to preclude her use in any other book for the time being.

Dunno about another Wolverine book, but it's great to see Cornell back at Marvel. His New 52 stuff just hasn't grabbed me, and I suspect that DC editorial has a fair amount to do with that.
 
Kizer said:
Rachel Edidin is entitled to their opinion. I am not challenging that in the slightest, just in case I somehow led you to believe I was.

Accountable for...? Tony Harris (for example) needs to be accountable for his personal (uneducated) opinion? Has there been a point in time that he used this personal opinion in prohibiting anyone (in this case) from cosplaying that I don't know about? If he were doing something to hinder anyone from enjoying anything in particular then perhaps I would agree, but in this case I think all that is necessary is "you're an asshole, Tony" and we done with it.

I simply do not believe his story in particular deserves the attention it has been getting.
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I think male "geek culture" is in dire need of slapping around, so I'm okay with the story getting attention, as it's indicative of a trend of gross inhuman jerks that lumber their way through Comic Con aisles or yelp at each other over back issue longboxes in lesser comic shops.
 
Hawkeye is getting double shipped next month, had no idea. Pulido is the artist for 5 and 6 I believe. His art is cool but I'm not sure why Aja just couldn't be on it, he's not doing anything else. Come on Marvel.
 
Its not really a case of being slow, double shipping is beyond most artists. Books used to be monthly only for a reason where real artwork could shine rather than tracey tracey photo-capture.
 
ViewtifulJC said:
Paulido is doing #4-5, it's a two-parter. Aja is back for #6-7, and now Paulido is doing the #8 Valentine's Day issue
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Ah ok, thanks for clearing that up!

I hope Aja can come back with some kind of consistency after #8. Nothing against Pulido but I want more Aja.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
I think male "geek culture" is in dire need of slapping around, so I'm okay with the story getting attention, as it's indicative of a trend of gross inhuman jerks that lumber their way through Comic Con aisles or yelp at each other over back issue longboxes in lesser comic shops.
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I think we need to stop with the "male geek culture" vs "female geek culture" nonsense and just consider it "geek culture". If we continue to treat it with this divide there will continue to be a divide.

You are always going to have people who like/want this divide and see this as an "all-boys club" or perhaps even an "all-girls club" in some instances, but that doesn't make it true. I belong to the school of thought that we should not be entertaining such thoughts by giving it attention. We sure be smothering it by doing the opposite of what those people want (should you oppose it).

I never understood this "geek hierarchy" myself. I do consider myself to be rather knowledgeable when it comes to comics (at least with the big 2), video games and the like. I try to act like a teacher to those who know less and want to know. By doing this, you increase interest, understanding, and then hopefully readership to help keep the medium we love so much alive in a world that hates and fears us.
:P
 
Geek culture has such a wide spread now.

Quite a few times, in different classes, someone would come in with a Batman and I'd immediately go talk to them and be like "oh dude, are you reading Batman right now? It's so great!" Cue they look at me like I'm crazy and have no idea what the hell I'm talking about. They do self identify as a "nerd" or whatever though. At the very least they know some of the characters. I've since stopped trying to talk to people about anything.

A few weeks ago at a party some guy said "I'd buy that for a dollar!" So I immediately looked at him, got super excited and said "FUCK YEAH ROBOCOP." He of course had no idea what I was talking about. Why would you even say that if you're not referencing Robocop?
 
The "I'm doing cosplay with my tits out, but don't look at me, you sexist pig" thing that made the rounds a couple months ago shows there are idiots on both sides of this geek gender divide.

Harris was a straight up asshole in the way he expressed myself to be sure, but there is a real element of what he's talking about. That said, who cares if there is? There's always some faction of the geek experience that is annoying to someone.


Just fucking deal, Harris and random Cosplay Girl.
 
Acid08 said:
Geek culture has such a wide spread now.

Quite a few times, in different classes, someone would come in with a Batman and I'd immediately go talk to them and be like "oh dude, are you reading Batman right now? It's so great!" Cue they look at me like I'm crazy and have no idea what the hell I'm talking about. They do self identify as a "nerd" or whatever though. At the very least they know some of the characters. I've since stopped trying to talk to people about anything.

A few weeks ago at a party some guy said "I'd buy that for a dollar!" So I immediately looked at him, got super excited and said "FUCK YEAH ROBOCOP." He of course had no idea what I was talking about. Why would you even say that if you're not referencing Robocop?
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Yeah as things get more and more popular, that is going to happen. That can't be helped, I guess. Next time you run into a potential comic book fan, be like "Oh, sick Batman shirt! Do you read the comics?" They either will answer with one of three things "Uh no, just the movies", "Hell yeah, man!" or "Sometimes I pick up a graphic novel or two. I don't really follow, though". From there, pick your conversation with them if you choose to have one at all. If it's something you don't wanna talk about, "oh my mistake, man. Sorry for bothering you" with a light laugh.

Yeah the "buy that for a dollar" thing is a meme now so they might have seen that one scene but have no idea where it is from. Kinda like using the Yao Ming face meme but not actually knowing it's Yao Ming. Gotta be careful about that. See if you can throw a robocop reference into your conversation and see if they get it. Test each others power levels.

I must admit though, it does annoy me a bit when someone makes a reference to something like that and uses the reference incorrectly. As in it does not make sense in context.
 
Kizer said:
I think we need to stop with the "male geek culture" vs "female geek culture" nonsense and just consider it "geek culture". If we continue to treat it with this divide there will continue to be a divide.

You are always going to have people who like/want this divide and see this as an "all-boys club" or perhaps even an "all-girls club" in some instances, but that doesn't make it true. I belong to the school of thought that we should not be entertaining such thoughts by giving it attention. We sure be smothering it by doing the opposite of what those people want (should you oppose it).

I never understood this "geek hierarchy" myself. I do consider myself to be rather knowledgeable when it comes to comics (at least with the big 2), video games and the like. I try to act like a teacher to those who know less and want to know. By doing this, you increase interest, understanding, and then hopefully readership to help keep the medium we love so much alive in a world that hates and fears us.
:P
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I feel like you're implying that opinions like Harris' would not exist if the divide wasn't there, whereas my belief is that opinions like Harris' are what cause the divide.

I don't at all support the idea that these sorts of attitudes should not get attention. Shining a light on them doesn't suddenly create a divide, it outs these cretins are shun-worthy creepshows.

I honestly don't see how ignoring jerk attitudes make jerk attitudes go away. If it was a case of "Oh, if you ignore Tony Harris, he'll go away, problem solved," I guess your argument would make sense but surely you can't believe that.

If we ignore Tony Harris, his opinion as a professional could be taken by someone, male or female, as a permissible attitude to have in that field, fostering a) Males to perpetuate that behavior, b) Females to be alienated by that behavior, or more likely, c) both.

Ignoring hate has historically never worked.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
I feel like you're implying that opinions like Harris' would not exist if the divide wasn't there, whereas my belief is that opinions like Harris' are what cause the divide.

I don't at all support the idea that these sorts of attitudes should not get attention. Shining a light on them doesn't suddenly create a divide, it outs these cretins are shun-worthy creepshows.

I honestly don't see how ignoring jerk attitudes make jerk attitudes go away. If it was a case of "Oh, if you ignore Tony Harris, he'll go away, problem solved," I guess your argument would make sense but surely you can't believe that.

If we ignore Tony Harris, his opinion as a professional could be taken by someone, male or female, as a permissible attitude to have in that field, fostering a) Males to perpetuate that behavior, b) Females to be alienated by that behavior, or more likely, c) both.

Ignoring hate has historically never worked.
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I agree. Assholes should be called out.

Have to be, in fact.
 
The cover to Avenging Spider-Man #17 pretty much spoils who the new Spider Man is

It's harry osborne

*edit I said FF but its actually Avenging Spider-Man
 
krypt0nian said:
The "I'm doing cosplay with my tits out, but don't look at me, you sexist pig" thing that made the rounds a couple months ago shows there are idiots on both sides of this geek gender divide.

Harris was a straight up asshole in the way he expressed myself to be sure, but there is a real element of what he's talking about. That said, who cares if there is? There's always some faction of the geek experience that is annoying to someone.


Just fucking deal, Harris and random Cosplay Girl.
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I just think the whole idea of "Geek" is as something stupid in the first place. It's an arbitrary concept defined by almost nothing other than "to like the stuff I like the way I like and not the stuff you like the way you like" so it is completely nonsense to define who is or who isn't part of it; instead, we point at attitudes X and Y and based on our own prejudices, we say "that person is a REAL geek, but that person isn't!"

Who the fucking cares? Sometimes you share a hobby with someone and sometimes you doesn't. Sometimes people cosplay because they like the character, sometimes because they saw how the character looked like in a cartoon once and decided it would be fun to dress up like that because that whatever her name is looks real hot and me like to look real hot. Who cares?

It's the kind of definition that exists only to exclude people. When no one wanted to be geeks, it was used to exclude weird people from the norm. Now that is cool to be geek, it is used to exclude people from the club. It is a word that serves no purpose other than assholery.
 
ViewtifulJC said:
Snikt_MarvelNow_Teaser1.jpg


snikt snikt bub, bub-snikt /wolverinedialog

whatever, Alan Davis is drawing it, that's all that really matters
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Now we are fucking talking!!!!

Cornell is great but Davis is a legend!!! Thank God Wolvie fans are not getting only the Cho book!

I hope it's Wolverine and not X-23, Daken or any other clone, son, daughter of Logan!
 
Anticitizen One said:
The cover to Avenging Spider-Man #17 pretty much spoils who the new Spider Man is

It's harry osborne

*edit I said FF but its actually Avenging Spider-Man
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minus the mary jane thing, im actually ok with that. he deserves not to be shit on as well
 
Acid08 said:
but...it should be Peter and MJ ;_;
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i agree, but theres very few people replacing pete that i would be able to tolerate that arent clones, and hes one. it will definetely make things more interesting. hopefully they dont double back and bucky him too soon.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
I feel like you're implying that opinions like Harris' would not exist if the divide wasn't there, whereas my belief is that opinions like Harris' are what cause the divide.

I don't at all support the idea that these sorts of attitudes should not get attention. Shining a light on them doesn't suddenly create a divide, it outs these cretins are shun-worthy creepshows.

I honestly don't see how ignoring jerk attitudes make jerk attitudes go away. If it was a case of "Oh, if you ignore Tony Harris, he'll go away, problem solved," I guess your argument would make sense but surely you can't believe that.

If we ignore Tony Harris, his opinion as a professional could be taken by someone, male or female, as a permissible attitude to have in that field, fostering a) Males to perpetuate that behavior, b) Females to be alienated by that behavior, or more likely, c) both.

Ignoring hate has historically never worked.
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I believe it is arguable that if this divide was never there, perhaps Harris' opinion would not be what it is. Something like this is a taught belief and behavior. One does not feel one way or another about this topic by nature.

I think that instead of shining the light on what a bad example is, we should shine the light on what a good example is and leave those that are bad examples in the dark.

No, you aren't going to make the jerks go away if you ignore them. You aren't going to make them go away if you react to them either (hell, you might even accidentally reinforce their behavior with what was originally intended to be punishment). It's naive to think they will go away at all.

If you teach people what is "proper behavior" instead of "what is not" then they have a better guide line to follow and you should see more result from it.
 
Kizer said:
I believe it is arguable that if this divide was never there, perhaps Harris' opinion would not be what it is. Something like this is a taught belief and behavior. One does not feel one way or another about this topic by nature.

I think that instead of shining the light on what a bad example is, we should shine the light on what a good example is and leave those that are bad examples in the dark.

No, you aren't going to make the jerks go away if you ignore them. You aren't going to make them go away if you react to them either (hell, you might even accidentally reinforce their behavior with what was originally intended to be punishment). It's naive to think they will go away at all.

If you teach people what is "proper behavior" instead of "what is not" then they have a better guide line to follow and you should see more result from it.
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I think you can and should do both.

And I think just the advancement of the careers of people like DeConnick and Kathryn Immonen are good and public steps toward inclusion.
 
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