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This needs to be underlined: You should absolutely be a nice guy! What it really means, however, is to have standards, pride, and not to let the woman stomp on you. Also, do not reek of desperation.

You're supposed to be a gentleman and have chivalry, just don't let the girl keep you on a leash. Stand up for yourself and be very assertive, especially when making your attraction known to the girl. For example: You guys are holding hands and yet you hesitate to kiss. Just move in and do it, assert your control.

All of that can be done without being an asshole. Only stupid women want men who abuse them verbally and physically, lol.
 
Also being too nice is fucking boring. Just putting that out there. No reason you can't be super lovey dovey when you're actually in the relationship but in terms of keeping interest, being more assertive and even a bit dickish (in a humorous way) is probably better.
 
I'm sure that I'm more of a pushover for guys than girls.

Which is probably why when people are introducing me, they're like "this is ______, he's nice." Well, to be fair, that's happened once, but I remember that.
 
girl that i was told sees me as a friend and only likes black guys just asked me if i wanted to go out with her tonight. i think i'll go and see what happens lol.
 
Also being too nice is fucking boring. Just putting that out there. No reason you can't be super lovey dovey when you're actually in the relationship but in terms of keeping interest, being more assertive and even a bit dickish (in a humorous way) is probably better.

What if you just don't have a temper? I never get angry at anything, I often make sarcastic dickish jokes but that's about it.
 
A lot of these "rules" change depending on how attractive you are. Attractive guys can get away with a lot more, and with women it's almost always better to be "imperfect", as long as you can get the chemistry going another way. Don't open her door (or if you're ballsy like me, stand by the door waiting for her to open it for you lol). Have an unpopular opinion contrary to hers. Whatever it is you choose, women like to have something to "work on". Perfection is boring. Stop trying to be perfect, instead try to ruffle her feathers, she gets enough ass-kissing from all the other guys she goes out with. Stand out by challenging her.
 
Side note: by "attractive", I meant the rules change depending on how attracted she is to you. Attractiveness is subjective.
 
A lot of these "rules" change depending on how attractive you are. Attractive guys can get away with a lot more, and with women it's almost always better to be "imperfect", as long as you can get the chemistry going another way. Don't open her door (or if you're ballsy like me, stand by the door waiting for her to open it for you lol). Have an unpopular opinion contrary to hers. Whatever it is you choose, women like to have something to "work on". Perfection is boring. Stop trying to be perfect, instead try to ruffle her feathers, she gets enough ass-kissing from all the other guys she goes out with. Stand out by challenging her.

Why can't I just be honest about my likes and dislikes? If we're two different people we can't like exactly the same things. Your post can be construed as "try to piss her off" - which I'm sure may work for building attraction it's probably not the most ideal way about going about things. If you mean 'tease more' i think that's rather different.
 
Why can't I just be honest about my likes and dislikes? If we're two different people we can't like exactly the same things. Your post can be construed as "try to piss her off" - which I'm sure may work for building attraction it's probably not the most ideal way about going about things. If you mean 'tease more' i think that's rather different.

You should be honest about your dislikes and likes. Absolutely.

I think what he means is that let it be known that you disagree on something if you do. Agreeing on everything and being the same is mondo boring.

And use the word "mondo" in conversation. It's like magic.
 
Why can't I just be honest about my likes and dislikes?

You can and I'm saying you should. Unfortunately most guys aren't. In most guys' minds, if some super hot babe decided to give them a chance on a date, and she brings up an opinion they don't agree with, probably 75% or more of men will keep their mouth shut and just laugh it off, afraid to piss her off and ruin their chances for a second date.
 
I get where you're going with this, but why does it matter so much about your family? I had a girl over to watch a movie as a first date. The family of course asks some questions but really, what's so bad about saying "yeah, it was a date" and if they want to dig deeper just tell them to wait and see if it's going to go somewhere first.

It's not something that I would suggest myself but as you said, she's pretty much saying "I want to come over to your place and watch a movie with you."

I guess do whatever you're comfortable with.

It might sound juvenile but I hate anyone asking questions about my relationships.

I just responded with a "oh well that 15" tv wont do for one of those movies, we'll have to figure something out for that." and continued on with the rest of the conversation. No reply yet though...
 
Do you think bottling up that anger is better or worse than just getting outright pissed from time to time?

Well (not that I didn't have my own issues) my ex was all about bottling shit up and being passive aggressive then exploding sometimes (which was scary). I just prefer someone who gets mad but is reasonable about it.


You can and I'm saying you should. Unfortunately most guys aren't. In most guys' minds, if some super hot babe decided to give them a chance on a date, and she brings up an opinion they don't agree with, probably 75% or more of men will keep their mouth shut and just laugh it off, afraid to piss her off and ruin their chances for a second date.

And that's when the boring sets in.
 
This needs to be underlined: You should absolutely be a nice guy! What it really means, however, is to have standards, pride, and not to let the woman stomp on you. Also, do not reek of desperation.

You're supposed to be a gentleman and have chivalry, just don't let the girl keep you on a leash. Stand up for yourself and be very assertive, especially when making your attraction known to the girl. For example: You guys are holding hands and yet you hesitate to kiss. Just move in and do it, assert your control.

All of that can be done without being an asshole. Only stupid women want men who abuse them verbally and physically, lol.

Huh does it mean I'm at her beck and will if she's playing games with me? Or is that a whole different kinda thing?
 
well this is fucking stupid
the night guy hasn't shown up...it's 1230 i was supposed to be off 2.5 hours ago. bout to call my managers, see if if can just work the overnight and not come in tomorrow morning. fuck this guy.


so much for going out.
 
2013 = the year of lowered standards.

it's not like my standards were ever high or unrealistic, but since going after the girls i want clearly hasn't been working, i'm just gonna take what comes my way for the most part even if it's not what i want. you know, get in where you fit in.

i wish i could say i'm thrilled about it but i'm not. and i know yall will probably (definitely) say i'm not doing it right. but it just seems necessary at this point.
 
As this is the first time I am posting in this thread, I have followed this thread before. I didn't put much time in girls, but I thought f*ck let's start, so I started a few weeks back, with online dating. I am in my eyes okay looking.

I don't think there is a right or a wrong. In my opinion it's often about chemistry. And what you want, I mean you can have great chemistry but for 1 night, or chemistry for soul mates.

I think with many things you do in life you have to come out of your comfort-zone and catch what life throws at you.

Most important, be yourself, I read the above posts about being nice, well that's me, I think about other people, If I overhear them about they liking something, and I happen to run into it, I will get it for them (I call first)
I don't get angry fast, but if you manage to get me angry, you are f*cked.

I just started a new relationship, and I don't know which way it will go, but ill just see what life throws at me.

What I do agree upon is, GET OUT OF YOUR COMFORT ZONE. (if it misfires, to bad, next time better luck, you have learned something new)

What I did with this girl was the following, on our first date I could tell she liked me, she proposed she wanted to get a drink (we had dinner), so I touched her when we had a drink, on her leg, arm, (well she hinted she did sports like me and had some muscles, I do P90X ;) rollerblading and lance Armstrong cycling ;)) (she didn't mind, chemistry) she also did this with me.

On the end of the date, she walked me back (I was in her town), I was almost at the train station (didn't went by car, so I could grab a drink), I stopped grabbed here back/ass pulled here closer and kissed here, deal sealed. (normally I don't do this, but I said fuck it, I like her)

So she now knows my nice side and my ballsy side. She meet the nice side on the later dates ;)

In the end of the day this counts, be yourself and get out of your comfort zone if you really like something.
 
As this is the first time I am posting in this thread, I have followed this thread before. I didn't put much time in girls, but I thought f*ck let's start, so I started a few weeks back, with online dating. I am in my eyes okay looking.

I don't think there is a right or a wrong. In my opinion it's often about chemistry. And what you want, I mean you can have great chemistry but for 1 night, or chemistry for soul mates.

I think with many things you do in life you have to come out of your comfort-zone and catch what life throws at you.

Most important, be yourself, I read the above posts about being nice, well that's me, I think about other people, If I overhear them about they liking something, and I happen to run into it, I will get it for them (I call first)
I don't get angry fast, but if you manage to get me angry, you are f*cked.

I just started a new relationship, and I don't know which way it will go, but ill just see what life throws at me.

What I do agree upon is, GET OUT OF YOUR COMFORT ZONE. (if it misfires, to bad, next time better luck, you have learned something new)

What I did with this girl was the following, on our first date I could tell she liked me, she proposed she wanted to get a drink (we had dinner), so I touched her when we had a drink, on her leg, arm, (well she hinted the did sports like me and had some muscles, I do P90X ;) rollerblading and lance Armstrong cycling ;)) (she didn't mind, chemistry) she also did this with me.

On the end of the date, she walked me back (I was in her town), I was almost at the train station (didn't went by car, so I could grab a drink), I stopped grabbed here back/ass pulled here closer and kissed here, deal sealed. (normally I don't do this, but I said fuck it, I like her)

So she now knows my nice side and my ballsy side. She meet the nice side on the later dates ;)

In the end of the day this counts, be yourself and get out of your comfort zone if you really like something.

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Good luck in your future endeavors!
 
A girl I'd written off as not interested and hadn't talked to in a while suddenly messaged me today asking how my Christmas had been, then over the next hour asked me all kinds of questions about myself, by the end of it we agreed to do some gaming together at my place when the Holidays are over and we're back to class.

What's with her sudden change of heart?
 
What's with her sudden change of heart?
This doesn't seem like the time to ask this question (the only right time being when someone is flaking out all the time, hot and cold etc etc all the time). Just go with the flow for now. Sounds like you're going to at least have fun gaming and hanging out.
 
2013 = the year of lowered standards.

it's not like my standards were ever high or unrealistic, but since going after the girls i want clearly hasn't been working, i'm just gonna take what comes my way for the most part even if it's not what i want. you know, get in where you fit in.

i wish i could say i'm thrilled about it but i'm not. and i know yall will probably (definitely) say i'm not doing it right. but it just seems necessary at this point.
Is setteling really going to make you happy or fill a void?
 
So gaf, need your input. What are the best hobbies I can take up where I will be meeting lots of youngish attractive girls.

I enjoy doing just about anything as long as it doesn't involve lots of physical activity (so no hiking, mountain climbing etc).

What meetup should I join?
 
2013 = the year of lowered standards.

it's not like my standards were ever high or unrealistic, but since going after the girls i want clearly hasn't been working, i'm just gonna take what comes my way for the most part even if it's not what i want. you know, get in where you fit in.

i wish i could say i'm thrilled about it but i'm not. and i know yall will probably (definitely) say i'm not doing it right. but it just seems necessary at this point.

I don't think that's gonna really make you happy. A mod in the girl age topic set it out straight in terms of the reality of that mentality.

I know it's slim pickings due to my hobbies/interests. But I'm just so much happier when I do find someone that's accepting and on the same wavelength.

Ah yes it was Opiate in lady age.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=45309950&postcount=3537

Using myself as an example here, it probably would surprise no one here that I'm a very particular person. I don't enjoy rock music, or rap music, or any music with lyrics. I don't play any of the games anyone here on GAF likes. I don't watch mainstream movies very frequently.

I listen mostly to classical music, watch foreign/"artsy" films, play chess, and love exercise, astrophysics, neuroscience, and behavioral economics. I'm not interested in virtually any pop culture and I have little patience for those discussions. I'm terrible at parties and in casual social conversation; honestly, I'm terrible at it, and this would presumably be an enormous deficit when playing the game.

And yet, I have plenty of friends and have actually been "picked up" by most of my serious girlfriends rather than the other way around. This is because I keep an open mind, I'm confident, I'm passionate about what I like no matter how niche or obscure it may be to our generation, and I stick to it. Yes, this repels virtually all women because so few are interested in the subjects I'm interested in. That's fine. Most guys aren't interested, either. And yet, the sliver of men interested in being my friend and the sliver of women who want to date me has proved to be more than enough, and I am quite satisfied with both my friends and romances.

By contrast, the few times I've honed in on a girl I found attractive for whatever reason, it's often left me frustrated and angry, because obviously the odds that any random girl is interested in dating a person with such specific tastes are low. Getting past the base impulse -- the "first impression" syndrome where many men eliminate 90% of women before the conversations really get going -- is enormously helpful.

Also: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=45311086&postcount=3548

Why is narrow minded? Another way of saying it - Being true to yourself and knowing what you want. I am the same.
I am not sure, but I've been told I got a chance with lots of girls, but many of them I can't go through with it. I don't like them.

But I feel like a piece of shit for even saying that. How can one be so judgemental? But it's just like you said. You like people who you can geek out with. The last girl I have been seeing, plays games with me, goes to star wars marathon to me, she listens when I want to talk about console CPUs, religion, alan watts, how I make protein pancakes or how I like to do the rear-naked choke from UFC.
It's not about me, or about her me having a degree. It's about actually fucking listening. So many people can't listen, and have never learned it. We are so egotistical and busy and need constant rewards, encouragement and acknowledgement. The sad sides of first world problems.
It's not narrow minded to know yourself mate.



Because I used to have a "broad appeal". Anyone who was not a nazi was good enough for me. But being like that.. It didnt worked for me. Its strange how, letting everyone be an option gives you very few option.

Also consider that the girl you have chemistry or "geek out with" wants to feel like that she is not the byproduct of your broad appeal. I hope LadyGAF will agree with this.
 
This doesn't seem like the time to ask this question (the only right time being when someone is flaking out all the time, hot and cold etc etc all the time). Just go with the flow for now. Sounds like you're going to at least have fun gaming and hanging out.

That's a good point. The flow I will join.
 
This doesn't seem like the time to ask this question (the only right time being when someone is flaking out all the time, hot and cold etc etc all the time). Just go with the flow for now. Sounds like you're going to at least have fun gaming and hanging out.

I'm actually really curious about this. I'm in a pretty similar situation with the mood changes it seems, or maybe like the posts above, I'm just being impatient. When do you start calling them out on flaking out/being cold etc? As it stands, it's the 2nd time she's gone cold on me in terms of communication and whatnot. (She's busy for the next couple of weeks, doesn't know when she we could get together) 1st time though, like a week later, she calls me out of the blue and we go at it again up until this point.
 
What if you just don't have a temper? I never get angry at anything, I often make sarcastic dickish jokes but that's about it.

That's fine, definitely better than nice (aka boring). My flatmate is the same, he's so laid back it's ridiculous. The only times I ever see him get really angry are work related (we both used to be supervisors at a supermarket) and playing Super Meat Boy. He's good at sarcastic dickish jokes as well. Pretty much all he does.
 
So gaf, need your input. What are the best hobbies I can take up where I will be meeting lots of youngish attractive girls.

I enjoy doing just about anything as long as it doesn't involve lots of physical activity (so no hiking, mountain climbing etc).

What meetup should I join?

Salsa Dancing?
 
2013 = the year of lowered standards.

it's not like my standards were ever high or unrealistic, but since going after the girls i want clearly hasn't been working, i'm just gonna take what comes my way for the most part even if it's not what i want. you know, get in where you fit in.

i wish i could say i'm thrilled about it but i'm not. and i know yall will probably (definitely) say i'm not doing it right. but it just seems necessary at this point.
Don't.
 
I'm actually really curious about this. I'm in a pretty similar situation with the mood changes it seems, or maybe like the posts above, I'm just being impatient. When do you start calling them out on flaking out/being cold etc? As it stands, it's the 2nd time she's gone cold on me in terms of communication and whatnot. (She's busy for the next couple of weeks, doesn't know when she we could get together) 1st time though, like a week later, she calls me out of the blue and we go at it again up until this point.
How long have you known each other and have you been on dates or something? Does she ignore when you try to communicate to her?
 
You can and I'm saying you should. Unfortunately most guys aren't. In most guys' minds, if some super hot babe decided to give them a chance on a date, and she brings up an opinion they don't agree with, probably 75% or more of men will keep their mouth shut and just laugh it off, afraid to piss her off and ruin their chances for a second date.

Just wanted to quote this again because it's really important. Most women don't want lapdogs who will agree with everything she says (unless you're extremely attractive, and she just wants you to shut up and look pretty). Some levels of disagreement are healthy and make for a much more interesting relationship/date.
 
I'm actually really curious about this. I'm in a pretty similar situation with the mood changes it seems, or maybe like the posts above, I'm just being impatient. When do you start calling them out on flaking out/being cold etc? As it stands, it's the 2nd time she's gone cold on me in terms of communication and whatnot. (She's busy for the next couple of weeks, doesn't know when she we could get together) 1st time though, like a week later, she calls me out of the blue and we go at it again up until this point.
Suggest a new date with dinner at hers or your place ("and we'll take it from there"). If that's no good, walk away. There's no need to call them out on their bullshit, that won't help anybody. On to the next one instead.
 
2013 = the year of lowered standards.

it's not like my standards were ever high or unrealistic, but since going after the girls i want clearly hasn't been working, i'm just gonna take what comes my way for the most part even if it's not what i want. you know, get in where you fit in.

i wish i could say i'm thrilled about it but i'm not. and i know yall will probably (definitely) say i'm not doing it right. but it just seems necessary at this point.

I echo the "don'ts". You aren't going to be happy, trust us.

I had chances to settle, but I passed because I know what I want in someone. Then a bit later I did find someone who is making me happy, and that I actually want to be with. I wouldn't have been happy if I settled just for the sake of being in a relationship. And you won't either.

Don't be desperate, man. Just keep trying.
 
Oh, and don't go looking for hobbies just to increase your chances with girls. That's pathetic...
That's a bit harsh. If it turns out that you don't like something (say salsa), yet you continue hanging around just for the women, then yeah that's a bit pathetic. In general it's always good to try new things though. If you're not meeting anyone interesting in your usual environment you can't do anything but expand it by looking for new hobbies.
 
Oh, and don't go looking for hobbies just to increase your chances with girls. That's pathetic...

Try out new hobbies, you should always seek to better yourself and picking something up that you've always wanted to do is a great way of doing so, but yes pick those hobbies up for your own betterment.
 
You can and I'm saying you should. Unfortunately most guys aren't. In most guys' minds, if some super hot babe decided to give them a chance on a date, and she brings up an opinion they don't agree with, probably 75% or more of men will keep their mouth shut and just laugh it off, afraid to piss her off and ruin their chances for a second date.

While this is in many cases true, I have to add that I have been on one date where the girl almost became sad when I disagreed on something. She was a pretty boring date in many ways though.
 
2013 = the year of lowered standards.

it's not like my standards were ever high or unrealistic, but since going after the girls i want clearly hasn't been working, i'm just gonna take what comes my way for the most part even if it's not what i want. you know, get in where you fit in.

i wish i could say i'm thrilled about it but i'm not. and i know yall will probably (definitely) say i'm not doing it right. but it just seems necessary at this point.

I know everyone said don't, so I'll be the only one on the "Do It!" side. Every man has a right to bang women, don't sit around for years waiting for that perfect 10, if your standards are too high or at a level where you're not meeting women, lower them. It's that simple.

It doesn't mean stop improving yourself, but it's easier to improve yourself WHILE you're dating women. It helps you learn what works and what doesn't AND get real-time feedback, instead of waiting forever to try out your new tricks on someone that never comes. Nothing wrong with working yourself up, otherwise you might end up being that lonely, bitter guy who says he's single and has been for the last 20 years because he's "picky". To that guy I always think: Get over yourself, dude.
 
That's a bit harsh. If it turns out that you don't like something (say salsa), yet you continue hanging around just for the women, then yeah that's a bit pathetic. In general it's always good to try new things though. If you're not meeting anyone interesting in your usual environment you can't do anything but expand it by looking for new hobbies.
I meant it like zethren put it above :) If you're only looking for new extra curricular activities just for the sake of meeting new girls to hit on, then you'll find little sympathy here.
 
Like everything, and I've said this in regards to multiple topics in this thread, there's a fine line. A balancing act.

Don't be desperate and lower your standards just to get with the first girl that gives you attention, but also don't be too picky (forever searching for that "perfect 10" like MVP said).

Have standards, but don't put the thought of a woman/man up on a pedestal to the point where you're more enamored with the "idea" of your potential gf/bf rather than one that appears right before you and could be what you need/have been looking for.
 
Be friends with girl, things are normal. Suddenly she starts to talk less, blocks me from FB and ignores me. I ignore back. Many many months later and I receive a friend request again on FB.

I already took the liberty of rejecting her friend request and blocking her, but lol...

/end of rant.
 
Be friends with girl, things are normal. Suddenly she starts to talk less, blocks me from FB and ignores me. I ignore back. Many many months later and I receive a friend request again on FB.

I already took the liberty of rejecting her friend request and blocking her, but lol...

/end of rant.

Found someone who she is romantically interested in. The guy feels threatened and wants her to cut contact with you. Later, she and guy break up, she wants you back in her life since the guy is no longer there.

Just one theory - you won't know unless you ask her, which I don't think is such a bad thing.
 
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