Well It Looks Like Barack Obama Is Running For President

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He's charismatic, intelligent and well-spoken.

If he's able enough to chose the right people to fill his cabinet (and manage them decently well) then he's a winner!
 
Cheebs said:
The power of Rove might help the Democrats oddly in 2008. The GOP the last 6 years have relied on his amazing campaign skills alone nearly. 2006 elections are his last, he is retiering from politics at the end of the Bush administration, he has gone on record many times of saying he wont work for anyone in the '08 elections.
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I could create a political campaign to attack Obama's lack of experience; it wouldn't be hard at all, and that's the problem. The same can be said of Hillary. It's so easy to see how they'd frame that issue. We already know they're great at that, so why play into their hands?
 
Doc Holliday said:
Are you guys insane? He's black. It's ****ing sad but people in the south and middle america will never vote for him. Sure they will say so in public, but in that booth where you have complete privacy all your biases will come through.
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As a Southerner I would like to say **** you for your ignorance. There is just as much as much, if not more racism in the Northeast than in the South in my experience. Bias is not limited to specific regions or the US. It is everywhere.
 
GoutPatrol said:
Obama for Vice President 08
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I was thinking the same thing. I think a Gore/Obama 08 ticket would be cool, but that's just me.
 
Obama came in with seemingly unlimited potential but it seems to be fading by the day. He basically ran unopposed, and never pulled out a victory in a tough election battle, so his battle readyness is unproven. He has not taken up any unpopular/controversial but correct issue and made it his own. People want him to be a leader, but he has yet to lead on anything. It's pretty unfortunate really.
 
ToxicAdam said:
The fear of someone being green, is that they will be exploited as being inexperienced in dealing with internation/military affairs. As the past few elections have taught us, people care about security. The other being that he would not have the name recognition to raise the kinds of cash you need to run an effective campaign. Money matters.

So, it's kind of a loaded term. One that carries some weight in a presidential election.
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Money would not be a problem. The DNC is already flying him around the country to speak/raise money for other Democrats. Besides Bill Clinton, he's probably the most requested democratic speaker for fundraisers.
 
mamacint said:
Obama came in with seemingly unlimited potential but it seems to be fading by the day. He basically ran unopposed, and never pulled out a victory in a tough election battle, so his battle readyness is unproven. He has not taken up any unpopular/controversial but correct issue and made it his own. People want him to be a leader, but he has yet to lead on anything. It's pretty unfortunate really.
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In other words, more experience would do some good for him. He's not the kind of guy who's going to pick a fight, so I'd like to see him get pulled into one to see how he'd react.
 
He's too green. He already seems in over his head in the US Senate and I don't think has found his footing there. Running for President in the US is the world's greatest test of political acrobatics, and he just can't pull it off yet.

He could get picked for a VP run in 2008, and that's probably his best way to the Presidency.
He can't go run for Governor of IL in 2010, either, because Illinois government is a stinking pile of corruption and there's no way he'd ever be able to disinfect himself from the filth if he held that office. I would say he should pull a Lieberman-try to run in 2008 as the VP while keeping his Senate seat.

Edwards/Obama would make a very strong middle class ticket while electrifying base labor and minority interests. Hillary/Obama would bring a bit more "experience" to the table but not energize the base as much. Warner/Obama would have been the best balanced Obama VP ticket between those two extremes, but Warner's not running.

Gore/Obama has always been a dark and dirty fantasy that hardcore Dems have been beating off to for two years now. It's the dream, but it won't happen I don't think. :( :( :(
 
mamacint said:
Obama came in with seemingly unlimited potential but it seems to be fading by the day. He basically ran unopposed, and never pulled out a victory in a tough election battle, so his battle readyness is unproven. He has not taken up any unpopular/controversial but correct issue and made it his own. People want him to be a leader, but he has yet to lead on anything. It's pretty unfortunate really.
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This logic is exactly what I was talking about. Its logic that I think a lot of voters would have when considering Obama. He has been in the senate for less than 2 years, he hasn't had a chance to make an impact. As I said, people only look at what you've done not your potential, and until you make an impact people will assume you're not capable. As ****ed up as that logic is, its something that I think would hurt Obama's chances big time.
 
PhoenixDark said:
I could create a political campaign to attack Obama's lack of experience; it wouldn't be hard at all, and that's the problem. The same can be said of Hillary. It's so easy to see how they'd frame that issue. We already know they're great at that, so why play into their hands?
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It's just as easy to frame McCain as those two as well yet he is a front runner. See how easy it is?:

McCain is a flip-flopper who stands for nothing! He bashes the religious right in the 2000 elections yet is close to them in 2006. He bashes Bush in 2000 yet in 2006 he defends Bush stronger than any other Senator!
 
White Man said:
Go ahead, hand the Republicans the White House again. His inexperience alone is a big enough reason to shoot him down. He'd have to convince me to vote for him, and I hate Republicans slightly more than I hate Democrats.
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Since you keep telling us that Democratic 'candidate' X, Y and Z are bound to lose, can you point to one who has a chance of beating the GOP in 2008?
 
Cheebs said:
It's just as easy to frame McCain as those two as well yet he is a front runner. See how easy it is?:

McCain is a flip-flopper who stands for nothing! He bashes the religious right in the 2000 elections yet is close to them in 2006. He bashes Bush in 2000 yet in 2006 he defends Bush stronger than any other Senator!
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Too bad McCain is still highly likable with the American people, at least last time I checked. Obama is liked too, but a McCain v Obama race would come down to experience.
 
Lo-Volt said:
Since you keep telling us that Democratic 'candidate' X, Y and Z are bound to lose, can you point to one who has a chance of beating the GOP in 2008?
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Seriously, it's not just him, but that Concern Troll schtick is so tired it's not even funny.

"Sure the Republicans are ruining the country but the Democrats are just so Democraty, what's a reasonable person like me to do? *sigh*"
 
PhoenixDark said:
Too bad McCain is still highly likable with the American people, at least last time I checked. Obama is liked too, but a McCain v Obama race would come down to experience.
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No one knows of his recent antics outside the politically aware. A general election would change that.

Plus it is useless to discuss McCain, conservatives hate him with passion. I can't see them ever nominating him.
 
I really think that McCain would get torpedoed in Iowa, win in NH, and then collapse in SC again if he ran again. He burned those bridges with the religious right so much in 2000 that you can just see the cultural conservatives, immigrant haters, and Club For Growth nutjobs forming an alliance to defeat him. They'll rallly around Romney (hopefully, easy to beat) or Huckabee (scary good candidate) instead.

McCain's only real conservative bona fides are his deficit hawk stance and his strong interventionist neoconservantive leanings, and the latter is more of a Bush thing than a base conservative position. He'll have money, but he'll be completely lacking the ground game and institutional support, and it will cost him dearly.

Much, much worried about ****abee than McCain at this point. Shame George Allen had to go all apeshit lately, he would have been an easy stooge, soared through the primaries, and would have been chewed up and spit out in the general election.
 
No way Obama runs for president in 2008. Indeed, he's a great inspiration, but he's been rather ineffective in the Senate and was even stood down by John McCain in a rather public display of Who's Your Daddy.
 
I was very impressed with him around the time of the DNC.. but there's no way a guy with name like that gets elected in America. It's too Arabic sounding. And then there's the whole race issue.

Shame, because let's be honest -- if he was a white guy named John or George he'd be a shoe-in.
 
I gotta say, you guys are much better people than I am. You're all discussing senate experience and other such fairly significant issues.

I have absolutely no faith in the US to even consider objectively deciding wether or not to vote for a guy named Obama. Sure, he'll get cool blue states like New York, etc., but I don't think there's any way swing states will get past the name similarity to one of the biggest bad guys' in the world. Plus, he's black.

I really don't think inexperience and stuff like that will even be an issue when compared to that. But, who knows, the last 2 elections have really jaded me in my view of the country.
 
Battersea Power Station said:
I have absolutely no faith in the US to even consider objectively deciding wether or not to vote for a guy named Obama. Sure, he'll get cool blue states like New York, etc., but I don't think there's any way swing states will get past the name similarity to one of the biggest bad guys' in the world. Plus, he's black.
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People are retarded, but not that retarded, I think.
 
Lucky Forward said:
Why do you think people are saying how "well-spoken" he is?
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ferrarimanf355 said:
I don't think either one is going to run. It's probably going to be Condi versus John Edwards. Call it a hunch.
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If you say Condi then you haven't being paying attention. Condi has gone on record many times saying she is refusing to run ever and never wants to be president.

Soon after the 2004 election some conservatives got all excited about her but she shot that idea down in early 2005 saying she wont ever run and conservatives have pretty much given up on that idea totally. Plus she doesn't even have a PAC and hasn't done any of the pre-election travels which all other potential nominee's have done by now.
 
Condi Rice has presided over some of the biggest failings of national security while she was, you know, National Security Advisor as well as presiding over the biggest foreign policy debacle in over a century as Secretary of State.

She can look forward to a speaking career and writing books after BushCo leaves office. She's done on the political stage, and any mention of her as President is completely laughable-she leaves nothing but failure in everything she does.
 
evil solrac v3.0 said:
right. which is why she'll run in '08 or 2012.
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She said she has never ran for anything political in her entire life and never wants to and ahs said "I don't know how many ways to say no." when she constantly says she wont ever run. She siad the only thing she might want to do after being Secetary of State is be the commissioner for the NFL. She has absolutley no interest in any further political career. ;)


We should just stop talking about her. Jimmy Carter has a bigger chance for running for president in 2008 than her.
 
Meier said:
I was very impressed with him around the time of the DNC.. but there's no way a guy with name like that gets elected in America. It's too Arabic sounding. And then there's the whole race issue.

Shame, because let's be honest -- if he was a white guy named John or George he'd be a shoe-in.
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If he was white and named John, he wouldn't be Barak Obaba. He'd just be another white politician
 
evil solrac v3.0 said:
right. which is why she'll run in '08 or 2012.
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Cheebs said:
Plus she doesn't even have a PAC and hasn't done any of the pre-election travels which all other potential nominee's have done by now.
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my bet? McCain vs. who-the-****-knows. My bet was on Warner to be the anti-Hillary, but that was shot down quickly. Edwards probably stands to benefit the most from this should he decide to run - he's the only bible-belt moderate left, and will likely score major points in the new DNC caucus schedule.
 
PhoenixDark said:
If he was white and named John, he wouldn't be Barack Obaba. He'd just be another white politician
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Well Barack Obama is pretty damn white. His mom is a white from Alabama and his dad while Black left his family when he was a baby. He was raised by his white mom and white grandparents his entire life.

He is genetically half white but he was raised 100% white. The fact he talks and acts "white" kinda makes up for his skin color among everyday americans.
 
scorcho said:
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my bet? McCain vs. who-the-****-knows. My bet was on Warner to be the anti-Hillary, but that was shot down quickly. Edwards probably stands to benefit the most from this should he decide to run - he's the only bible-belt moderate left, and will likely score major points in the new DNC caucus schedule.
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Edwards is for sure running. The thing he is doing that is pure genius for his run is he is staying out of DC. He isn't doing speeches in DC or active there so the washington media hasn't paid attention to him so his post-2004 campaign style has yet to be hindered by talking heads.

He is spending all his current money raising and speeches in the south. If people like Hillary in the primaries stick to the normal east and west coast stuff Edwards could sweep the south and win the primary.



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From an outsider's viewpoint: he's too young and too black to be electable.

Hopefully both issues will be sorted out in time for him to be a contender in the future.
 
correct me if i'm wrong, but hasn't it been the case that the vast majority of two-term-or-more Senators who have run for President lost? the extensive and often contradictory voting record that results is too much of a bullseye to avoid.
 
mmlemay said:
As a Southerner I would like to say **** you for your ignorance. There is just as much as much, if not more racism in the Northeast than in the South in my experience. Bias is not limited to specific regions or the US. It is everywhere.
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Sorry dude, but im going by the past elections and polls. And of couse racism is everywhere.
 
scorcho said:
correct me if i'm wrong, but hasn't it been the case that the vast majority of two-term-or-more Senators who have run for President lost? the extensive and often contradictory voting record that results is too much of a bullseye to avoid.
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They lose mainly because of the extensive voting record creating easy negative ad's and talking points. Plus the senate turns people into souless drones for some reason.

The last senator to win? JFK he only had 1 term + 2 years on him in the Senate.
 
Cheebs said:
Well Barack Obama is pretty damn white. His mom is a white from Alabama and his dad while Black left his family when he was a baby. He was raised by his white mom and white grandparents his entire life.

He is genetically half white but he was raised 100% white. The fact he talks and acts "white" kinda makes up for his skin color among everyday americans.
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The American public will see him as a black guy, like it or not.
 
PhoenixDark said:
The American public will see him as a black guy, like it or not.
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Yeah of course but the fact he doesn't "sound" like the traditional black politician (Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton...etc) helps TONS.
 
Funding wise, if Obama could get Oprah and Cosby behind him, he'd have a chance. Those two would bring the cash flow. And that's not even dipping into the Black Church war chest.
 
Mrs. Manky said:
Funding wise, if Obama could get Oprah and Cosby behind him, he'd have a chance. Those two would bring the cash flow. And that's not even dipping into the Black Church war chest.
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Oprah already has gone on record on her own show to offically back him if he ran. He has her, he doesn't need Cosby. Who cares about him anymore?
 
Cheebs said:
They lose mainly because of the extensive voting record creating easy negative ad's and talking points. Plus the senate turns people into souless drones for some reason.

The last senator to win? JFK he only had 1 term + 2 years on him in the Senate.
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He's not the last Senator to win -- he's the only sitting Senator to win.
 
Lo-Volt said:
Since you keep telling us that Democratic 'candidate' X, Y and Z are bound to lose, can you point to one who has a chance of beating the GOP in 2008?
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I'm not familiar on all the potential candidates the Democrats have (or the Repubs, for that matter), but the well-oiled GOP PR machine could cut Obama down on his inexperience alone. Hillary is too much of a divisive figure to actually win, and the GOP could trot out any number of Clinton-era things and pin them on her.

I'm not saying X,Y, Z can't win, I'm just saying that the Democrats that are getting the "hype" don't have much of a shot of winning.

I'd like to see Dean run again someday.

As far as personal preferences that have no chance of ever winning, Kucinich.
 
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