Some rumors suggest that kinect 2 is packed in but idk if this is reasonable as not everyone will be able to use it - e.g. people playing on their computer monitor or have small rooms. So I don't expect devs to deeply integrate k2 in their core games. Would be more clever from MS if they continue selling it as an additional periphery.
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Some rumors suggest that kinect 2 is packed in but idk if this is reasonable as not everyone will be able to use it - e.g. people playing on their computer monitor or have small rooms. So I don't expect devs to deeply integrate k2 in their core games. Would be more clever from MS if they continue selling it as an additional periphery.
Fallout-NL
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I'll take anything that's not AAA yet as insanely good as Condemned.
True, it would make more sense to put the dsp inside the Kinect instead of the xbox. Hopefully this and an improved sensor allows for the depth data to be at least 720p60fps. Latency and low fidelity is what really hurts it for games. At 60fps, the necessary joint/angle/bone smoothing filters can output at a rate more acceptable than with 30fps data, at least for devs that want to use the skeletal system or do accurate tracking of specific points.
It's the latest version of Kinect that requires a heck of a lot of RAM for the OS. Something like 2GB just for Kinect, I heard. MS want to get it running right.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Doesn't make sense to me. So those that don't want to get Kinect, they're essentially seeing that 2GB RAM being a waste?
But when the 360 came out there were more powerful PCs. Doesn't mean the 360 and PS3 weren't powerhouses. And in terms of what programmers got out of them they got so much better with time. The opposite of what happens with PCs, which rarely get close to fully utilising all that power.
Just because we get ripped off when it comes to the price of i5 and i7 CPUs and GPUs doesn't mean that MS and Sony won't be able to have cutting edge technology for less than 1/4 of the price that it costs me and you.
Really it's kinda hard to say, isn't it? If xb3 has dedicated hardware to deal with all the HD audio streams etc, then that leaves the APU or whatever, free to do something else. And the same occurs if you have some kind of accelerator that helps with global illumination... so that's another load of the APU's back. Quite a significant bit too. And you can go on and on..
Think of how handy the SPUs were in the Cell. Basically raised the bar for the entire console with middling gpu and middling cpu core [PPE].
developers will be getting a lot more out of the PC in future if the architecture is the same as the consoles.
Insane Metal
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What happened to SuperDAE's reveal on hangout? :/
dead monkey uk
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Read this on another forum, this has to be too good to be true?
This is the latest rumor. The guy thinks his source is too good to be true:
- super advanced tech by IBM-AMD-MS. Design started back in 2007 as you said in 2010.
- It has APU+GPU on every SOC(system on a chip).
- It has 2 of this SOCs
- Each CPU in APU has 8 cores with 4 thread in each. So tolal we have 2xSOC x 8Cores x 4 threads = 16cores x 4thread=64 threads.
- Each GPU in SOC is 8xxx GPU(Mars or Venus) with advanced tech not available on PC some time
- Each SOC has 1.5Gb of GdDR5 memory with additiond 5 gb of shared ddr3/ddr4.
- Each SOC has EDRAM. Previosly you said about 110 mb
- Xbox has some other hardware features. Like RayTraycing chip(VTE on this picture).
- The goals of the system design are - universal for different type of tasks, easy to parralellism, easy to fully load, zero bottlenecks an future proof as Xbox 360 design with low energy consumtion..
- Some part will be upgradable later.
- It should be about 4+terraflops. Of couse it will be better of every high end PC available in 2013-2014 and maybe 2015. With optimisation it have to be on pair with PC 8 years.
- There will be Kinect 2.0
- There will be illumiroom tech as additional feature after the launch.
This is the latest rumor. The guy thinks his source is too good to be true:
- super advanced tech by IBM-AMD-MS. Design started back in 2007 as you said in 2010.
- It has APU+GPU on every SOC(system on a chip).
- It has 2 of this SOCs
- Each CPU in APU has 8 cores with 4 thread in each. So tolal we have 2xSOC x 8Cores x 4 threads = 16cores x 4thread=64 threads.
- Each GPU in SOC is 8xxx GPU(Mars or Venus) with advanced tech not available on PC some time
- Each SOC has 1.5Gb of GdDR5 memory with additiond 5 gb of shared ddr3/ddr4.
- Each SOC has EDRAM. Previosly you said about 110 mb
- Xbox has some other hardware features. Like RayTraycing chip(VTE on this picture).
- The goals of the system design are - universal for different type of tasks, easy to parralellism, easy to fully load, zero bottlenecks an future proof as Xbox 360 design with low energy consumtion..
- Some part will be upgradable later.
- It should be about 4+terraflops. Of couse it will be better of every high end PC available in 2013-2014 and maybe 2015. With optimisation it have to be on pair with PC 8 years.
- There will be Kinect 2.0
- There will be illumiroom tech as additional feature after the launch.
thats the misterxblog (or so) bullshit
lol Sure...
Lol, just lol. What a supreme sack of shit this rumour is.
Psychotext
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It's a full on wet dream of a console. I love it. 
Sadly, no.
Sadly, no.
I'm not massively impressed by the specs on the nextbox.
It's a full on wet dream of a console. I love it.
Sadly, no.I'm not massively impressed by the specs on the nextbox.
I don't know why you feel like that. Neither specs for both consoles are final.
That's my dream console right there, I would pay 900 for this thing.
Psychotext
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Ok, I'm disappointed with what we know at the moment, let's go with that.
They look roughly the same to me.
But if its true... neogaf will burn.
chances of this being remotely true.... 0.0000000000000000001000001000001%
Psychotext
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I appreciate that there may be extra circuity helping out in the system, but on paper it's half a teraflop down on the PS4 (GPU) and whilst there's a lot of RAM, I expect more of it to be used for Kinect and background functionality rather than games... plus of course the PS4 ram looks to be much, much faster.
But ehh... either way I just want them both to be as fast as possible. (I'll be buying both anyway)
dead monkey uk
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Ok I am out of my depth in this thread, but why is RayTraycing so funny a prospect?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_tracing_hardware
Sounds expensive...
gaming_noob
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Those specs would impress hardcore techies, which proves the rumor is fake. An insider reported that "most would be impressed but the hardcore would be disappointed". I don't remember who said that.
Yeah, it will be one AMD APU with some secret sauce, most probably downclocked to the oblivion [way lower than curent PC hw] and bundled with ton of cheap and slow ram.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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specialguy
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Well you not gonna get it...lol
Sure, Sony's way is the simpler one on paper. But any closed box 8 core processor will be a tough little un.
I can already see the headlines: World's first 8 core APU. The fastest apu on the market.
And pair that with fast enough ram, at 8gb, with esram, and you got a pretty damn good machine. Much more futuristic design.
Sony just worked on their weaknesses: simpler architecture, unified memory, reduce latency, beefier GPU, and dealt with the bandwidth bottle neck.
Their way of future proofing the device appears to be via balance + teraflops...*
Though I do like that they are thinking of tessellation and textures, and decompresser, etc.
*+ manufacturing. 2.5d etc...
cyberheater
PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 Xbone PS4 PS4
Lol. Where do I pre-order?
iceatcs
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Then you will be likely one of them too.
dead monkey uk
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Not impossible some basic version could be included.
I would not be surprised if Microsoft include a number of features within the hardware that are cutting edge and unseen on a consumer product. If Microsoft is developing a new console to last 10 years, they will want the tech inside to still be relevant years from now.
why?? for that price you can buy a much better pc.
in terms of raw power yes. in terms of actual gaming performance : hahahaha!
Just don't judge a system by it's TF
It means something, whether you want to admit it or not.
Whatever the hardware, I will be there if first party games truly shine. Multiplats will always look better on PC.
Can Crusher
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It is true that TFLOP doesn't tell us a whole lot. Sony said the RSX was a 1.8 TLOP gpu didn't they? And that gpu was wack as shit from what devs say.
But this time around they are using tech from the same source. So how don't TFLOps matter ya know?
It's driving me crazy!
But this time around they are using tech from the same source. So how don't TFLOps matter ya know?
It's driving me crazy!
Of course it does mean something in the end but not in the same way you would compare TFs of different PC GPUs.
As for PC ports : it's going to need lots of brute forcing on a much more powerfull (in TF) GPU to compensate for the advantages of a console's custom silicon and it's on-the-metal(tm) optimizations.
This is just... stupid. This thing would cost 1000 bucks atleast.
You mean actual game performance like crysis series get on pc vs consoles??? yeah maybe...
I find it interesting that, from job positions posted earlier in this thread I believe, that MS was able to attract what seems to be some very good talent from IBM and AMD.
But when you look at the specs for the next box, the design, from our understanding to date, seems a bit more conventional than the talent involved in this project would seem to suggest. Yes, we're getting an 8 core or 8 thread CPU - but it appears to be Jaguar based. Yes, we're getting a GPU - but the latest and greatest rumors say it only has 12cu's or is mid-range at best.
And our expectations are now being checked, such that the special sauce, whatever it is, won't really amount to much - and by the way, I think it's a bit unfair at this point to suggest MS is damage controlling on this issue; I'm sure that'll happen after the official reveals
My point though, is this: I wonder what motivated these highfalutin folks from IBM etc. to migrate over to the Xbox project. You would think that the truly cutting edge chip work is being done at places like IBM. So, why work on Xbox, if they're only producing modifications on existing designs, and you have budget constraints (and by the way, the assumption all along has been that Sony would be conservative, and MS would break the bank - but maybe it's the other way around)? It's unlikely that the IBM patent for a raytracing chip would make it into a console. Maybe all that high profile talent is housed in the Xbox group, but they are actually working on something else entirely?
It would be nice, from either Sony or Microsoft, to see a truly genuine design breakthrough on some level that's easily quantifiable.
But when you look at the specs for the next box, the design, from our understanding to date, seems a bit more conventional than the talent involved in this project would seem to suggest. Yes, we're getting an 8 core or 8 thread CPU - but it appears to be Jaguar based. Yes, we're getting a GPU - but the latest and greatest rumors say it only has 12cu's or is mid-range at best.
And our expectations are now being checked, such that the special sauce, whatever it is, won't really amount to much - and by the way, I think it's a bit unfair at this point to suggest MS is damage controlling on this issue; I'm sure that'll happen after the official reveals
My point though, is this: I wonder what motivated these highfalutin folks from IBM etc. to migrate over to the Xbox project. You would think that the truly cutting edge chip work is being done at places like IBM. So, why work on Xbox, if they're only producing modifications on existing designs, and you have budget constraints (and by the way, the assumption all along has been that Sony would be conservative, and MS would break the bank - but maybe it's the other way around)? It's unlikely that the IBM patent for a raytracing chip would make it into a console. Maybe all that high profile talent is housed in the Xbox group, but they are actually working on something else entirely?
It would be nice, from either Sony or Microsoft, to see a truly genuine design breakthrough on some level that's easily quantifiable.
Occam's razor, yeah it's too good to be true. Trollspecs.
First: Crysis 1 was poorly optimized
If you based your initial statement on 900$ PCs in 5-6 years then yeah, consoles will be outdated.
Psychotext
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If they did, I'd be amazed if the laughing had subsided before now. Unless it's measured in a completely different manner to how it would normally be done.