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[kinggroin]

Nintendo abandoned the Wii years ago. They've had AGES to develop killer titles for the Wii U. They've done nothing. They thought they could ride on the Wii brand until instant success, just like they thought they could do the same with the DS brand.

Iwata has to go. He is 1. Incompetent. 2. So up his own ass he can't see what's really going on in the industry

AGES? You mean while also developing the Wii U hardware, fixing the 3DS launch and rushing games out for that platform, while also gearing up for HD development and games for the new console?

They certainly weren't doing nothing. What they WERE doing was making quite a few mistakes that stem from either arrogance, ineptitude and inability (thanks to not expanding themselves enough to adequately handle the tasks at hand).

The good news is, unlike Sega and the Dreamcast, Nintendo is sitting a nice lump of cash. They have the monetary capability to turn things around, but I'm not quite sure they have proper business plan to do so before they're broke.

We'll see I suppose.

 

[JordanN]

Yeah, I'm definitely not following you when you write like this. Please, do tell me the reality of the situation. Please, do tell me what Nintendo knows.

To quote Reggie

as third-party publishers make their decisions somehow they're going to view competitive systems more favorably than the Wii U. What I would tell you is that, fundamentally, the reason certain games didn't make it to the Wii was because, first, the developer or publisher had invested in art at an HD level. For them to rework that art to an SD level was a cost they were unwilling to accept.

...

All of [third-party game creators'] early-development engines [for the original Wii] were not compatible with where we were going. That is not the case today." -

http://kotaku.com/5920931/the-wii-us-power-problem

 

[Brera]

MADDOX IS BACK!

I'M BACK!

I've learned my lesson as well. There is a heavy pro-nintendo bias at gaf, I don't blame the mods, Nintendo can be awesome again but we need to accept Nintendo are awful right now and have been since 2005/06 and they need new ideas and new blood. Just look how Tokyo EAD have quickly flourished away from the Kyoto gaze!

 

[grimshawish]

I'M BACK!

I've learned my lesson as well. There is a heavy pro-nintendo bias at gaf, I don't blame the mods, Nintendo can be awesome again but we need to accept Nintendo are awful right now and have been since 2005/06 and they need new ideas and new blood. Just look how Tokyo EAD have quickly flourished away from the Kyoto gaze!

Dude. Your shouting ban me here. Learn your lesson there is no bias only different forms of opinions.

 

[meppi]

SMH

 

[CadetMahoney]

If Iwata was a smart guy, he would blame reggie and sack the useless oaf instead,

I loled too much at this.

 

[Brera]

You're probably right and I take it back!

on topic though, E3 is Iwata's deadline. I just hope we don't get another Wii Music/Animal crossing scenario again. They need to sideline Reggie and Miyamoto and maybe get some new blood to do the presentation.

 

[Spieler Eins]

I've learned my lesson as well. There is a heavy pro-nintendo bias at gaf, I don't blame the mods, Nintendo can be awesome again but we need to accept Nintendo are awful right now and have been since 2005/06 and they need new ideas and new blood. Just look how Tokyo EAD have quickly flourished away from the Kyoto gaze!

But they've significantly improved their games since 2006 compared to the Gamecube which brought out lots of rush jobs, including major franchises. The DS has also been one of the best, if not the best handheld ever made, while before that the GBA was a machine used for dumping your SNES ports on.

 

[Gummb]

Not true at all.

Gamecube got a lot of ports that were graphically on par with the other consoles or, even in some cases, better-looking than PS2.

The Gamecube was also not as capable online as even the PS2 that gen. This was more a situation where the feature was paid dust because Nintendo themselves didn't prioritize it.

A LOL @ the controller being fantasitic. Look, I thought the thing was comfortable and got a worse rap than it deserved; but let's not pretend that controller wasn't an issue for ports. It was.

Also, I don't think ANYBODY is saying power alone is the solution for Nintendo. Nobody is arguing that Nintendo needs to re-enter the graphics arms race again. However, at the very minimum they need to pay enough attention to the industry that the hardware they put out is on par with the general ballpark the rest of the industry is aiming for. They don't have to have the most powerful hardware; hell, it doesn't even have to be a close race. But they NEED to put out hardware that's powerful enough that 3rd parties don't have to consider Nintendo hardware a "separate entity" when it comes to ports. That's been the case for two gens now.

Honestly, I think Nintendo was closer to the ideal with the Gamecube than most want to give them credit for. The Gamecube was great hardware that was on par with the competition, easy to develop for, and STILL the cheapest. So I don't understand why people use the Gamecube to make the "power isn't everything" argument when it wasn't the power of the hardware that stunted the Gamecube. It was everything else - Nintendo's arrogant, overly conservative and dismissive business practices being at the top of the list of problems.

There are people who are arguing that increasing power would solve their problems.

Other than that, I have nothing in particular I disagree with. I do think that Nintendo needs to leverage its 1st party output and they will continue to do that to sell consoles. I do think that Nintendo needs to work better with 3rd party publishers. However, I refuse to think that having a console in the same realm of power as Microsoft's and Sony's next offerings is necessary for their success. It might make GAF happier, but perhaps Nintendo being a separate entity is a strength.

 

[royalan]

You're probably right and I take it back!

on topic though, E3 is Iwata's deadline. I just hope we don't get another Wii Music/Animal crossing scenario again. They need to sideline Reggie and Miyamoto and maybe get some new blood to do the presentation.

I honestly doubt he'll make it even that long.

There are people who are arguing that increasing power would solve their problems.

Other than that, I have nothing in particular I disagree with. I do think that Nintendo needs to leverage its 1st party output and they will continue to do that to sell consoles. I do think that Nintendo needs to work better with 3rd party publishers. However, I refuse to think that having a console in the same realm of power as Microsoft's and Sony's next offerings is necessary for their success. It might make GAF happier, but perhaps Nintendo being a separate entity is a strength.

It wouldn't just make GAF happier, it would make 3rd parties happier. Which, in turn, would make more than just Nintendo fans happy.

Also, I think the January NPD thread is more proof than is needed that Nintendo being a separate entity isn't the strength the fans like to claim it is.

 

[IsntChrisL]

How did the PS3/360 end up with more support than the Wii? Why is Unreal Engine 3 not for the Wii?

All these problems are tied to power. To ignore it is to ignore reality itself.

And you're right power isn't solely the problem (I addressed it) but it's one that cannot be ignored (and Nintendo knows this).

Yeah, because that worked so well with the Gamecube. By the end of the GC's life, it wasn't receiving nearly as many third party ports as the PS2/Xbox.

You can't look solely at the Wii. Nintendo didn't and they were smart not to.

 

[JordanN]

Nintendo having more powerful hardware would not be advantageous enough to guarantee profits and solve all of Nintendo's problems.

I could say the same about them having less powerful hardware.

Second, Gamecube's marketing was an extension of what the hardware offered. Your argument that marketing killed the Gamecube has a lot to do with perception. Perhaps its the perception of the Wii U and its marketing that is hurting it, and not the hardware itself. Perhaps its because the Wii U is struggling, like the Gamecube did, to get software out on a regular basis. Perhaps the problems the Wii U is experiencing has nothing to do with the power of its hardware.

If you are not interested in a more complex argument than "Nintendo needs more powerful hardware" or "the Gamecube failed because of marketing," then I'm not debating this anymore. Sorry.

Power is still apart of marketing. The games that are both made and ported to it reflect that. Gamecube didn't have any issues with this. Wii U on the other hand has alot at stake but even if ignore PS4/720, Nintendo's games and third party games need to put out visuals to get people interested in them.

 

[farnham]

I honestly doubt he'll make it even that long.

if he isnt out end of march 2013 he will be with nintendo as CEO for at least another year

 

[Brera]

But they've significantly improved their games since 2006 compared to the Gamecube which brought out lots of rush jobs, including major franchises. The DS has also been one of the best, if not the best handheld ever made, while before that the GBA was a machine used for dumping your SNES ports on.

There has been no increase in quality that I can see.

They've been rushing half finished games for years Mario Galaxy excluded). They need to really get a grip of how they develop their games. At least in the N64 days, they delays led to awesome games.

 

[Gummb]

To quote Reggie


http://kotaku.com/5920931/the-wii-us-power-problem

Did Reggie lie? Are HD assets impossible on Wii U? Do third-party engines run on Wii U? Does this tell me what Nintendo "knows" or the "reality" of the situation?

 

[Glass Rebel]

So? This is a long term investment. Or, if Nintendo felt the price was bad they could of delayed the hardware till it was cheap enough (a la N64).

Again, Gamecube sold bad based on bad marketing. It still received the games of its time the Wii never got against the PS3/360.

Plus, with the collapse of Sony this gen, Nintendo was more poised to take over than anything.

Giving the 360 a 2 year head start and the PS3 1 year would have been suicide. The GameCube was practically dead by that point and another year without an active console would have led to the same outcome as with the Wii to Wii U transition. It's also easy to look back now and say that they could have taken advantage of Sony dropping the ball but in 2005-2006 everybody thought that the PS3 would be a direct continuation of the PS2. Banking on such a fluke would have been as reasonable as expecting the Wii to be a runaway success.

The GameCube might have been good for gamers but the third-party support at the end of its lifespan wasn't as rosy as you make it out to be. It didn't even get GTA ports whereas the XBOX did although they had about the same install base. It's clear why they chose a different path with the Wii when it's simply not sustainable by a company the size of Nintendo.

 

[royalan]

if he isnt out end of march 2013 he will be with nintendo as CEO for at least another year

Finally, you and I agree on something. lol

I'm going to bet a shot a tequila that he's gone by the end of March. ESPECIALLY if the February numbers are worse (they likely will be).

 

[IsntChrisL]

I honestly doubt he'll make it even that long.

For fuck's sake. People are really calling for blood here. The Wii U is still a new console. Nintendo has its work cut out for themselves but cheesus crust, this is getting ridiculous. You don't think Iwata can last 4 months from now? Talk about jumping the gun.

 

[Brera]

The biggest obstacle the GC had was the button layout on the pad. It really turned a lot of devs off.

 

[Brera]

For fuck's sake. People are really calling for blood here. The Wii U is still a new console. Nintendo has its work cut out for themselves but cheesus crust, this is getting ridiculous. You don't think Iwata can last 4 months from now? Talk about jumping the gun.

He'll survive. Hopefully this means it's time for Nintendo to tap their reserves and stop being so cheap.

 

[JordanN]

Did Reggie lie? Are HD assets impossible on Wii U? Do third-party engines run on Wii U? Does this tell me what Nintendo "knows" or the "reality" of the situation?

Reggie didn't lie. He was proving what I said. That certain decisions were made based on power. This is reality!

 

[farnham]

Finally, you and I agree on something. lol

I'm going to bet a shot a tequila that he's gone by the end of March. ESPECIALLY if the February numbers are worse (they likely will be).

I am saying this because they will have their Q4 investors call. if iwata makes another loss he is out. even if he makes profit it will be questionable if he stays.

i can totally see him staying though because people will not want to botch the current situation with WiiU even more.

 

[Sandfox]

The good news is, unlike Sega and the Dreamcast, Nintendo is sitting a nice lump of cash. They have the monetary capability to turn things around, but I'm not quite sure they have proper business plan to do so before they're broke.

We'll see I suppose.

Nintendo would probably go back to the drawing board before spending all their money on the Wii U.

 

[Piers]

I'm a consumer. I should be expecting only the very best. It's my money that's keeping Iwata in his chair.

All I ask for is some third party games and beastly hardware. I don't think that's asking for much considering the billions of dollars Nintendo has.

Not your money, the money of parents/families. Also, you are asking a lot: third-party development requires the interest from studios to begin with - and the controller itself as chomped a large amount of manufacturing costs already.

 

[JordanN]

Giving the 360 a 2 year head start and the PS3 1 year would have been suicide. The GameCube was practically dead by that point and another year without an active console would have led to the same outcome as with the Wii to Wii U transition. It's also easy to look back now and say that they could have taken advantage of Sony dropping the ball but in 2005-2006 everybody thought that the PS3 would be a direct continuation of the PS2. Banking on such a fluke would have been as reasonable as expecting the Wii to be a runaway success.

The GameCube might have been good for gamers but the third-party support at the end of its lifespan wasn't as rosy as you make it out to be. It didn't even get GTA ports whereas the XBOX did although they had about the same install base. It's clear why they chose a different path with the Wii when it's simply not sustainable by a company the size of Nintendo.

Well we're both running into what ifs. You say it would of been suicide to wait too long but the idea of Wii was also considered equally as deadly.

And I'm not sure why you're harping on the Gamecube's end of life. Again, Gamecube got games the Wii never saw the light of. How is the Wii in a better position for this?

 

[Nekofrog]

lol no

First ever net loss was under his watch.

 

[royalan]

For fuck's sake. People are really calling for blood here. The Wii U is still a new console. Nintendo has its work cut out for themselves but cheesus crust, this is getting ridiculous. You don't think Iwata can last 4 months from now? Talk about jumping the gun.

You know, I'd agree with you on the bolded if the Wii U were currently failing due to a list of unforeseen problems and new developments in the industry and Iwata was genuinely caught unaware.

But that's not the case here.

The Wii U is failing for obvious reasons that all but the most Nintendo faithful had been wary of for years. It's failing for the same reasons the 3DS launch was such a bust. And, if we're being HONEST here, the Wii U is failing for the same reasons the Wii WOULD HAVE failed if it weren't for the wiimote being a hit and staving off the consequences of some of the corners Nintendo cut with other aspects of the system. It's the same problems stemming from the same decisions.

What does this mean? It means that Iwata has displayed a rigid, overly-conservative, almost bullheaded consistency in how he runs the company. This is a BAD thing, especially when it leads to multiple fuck-ups that can be traced back to the same core mistakes. Iwata's successes are now old news. He has shown a lack of vision and a complete inability to adapt to the changing realities of a fast-paced industry. And you better believe that's how the shareholders are going to see it.

I'm sticking to my prediction: Iwata is done.

 

[Knux-Future]

Wtf.

Tough Crowd in here.

Console not lighting the world on fire?

Fuck you you're fired.

Geez

 

[Gummb]

It wouldn't just make GAF happier, it would make 3rd parties happier. Which, in turn, would make more than just Nintendo fans happy.

Also, I think the January NPD thread is more proof than is needed that Nintendo being a separate entity isn't the strength the fans like to claim it is.

Yeah, this is the type of debate I want to have. Thank you.

I honestly think that Nintendo has remained relevant in this industry because they have sold hardware based on their own software since the N64. What success the N64 and Gamecube had was because of their own software, and no amount of 3rd party support really motivated other users (beyond the Nintendo fans) to purchase the system. I think that the Wii was wildly successful almost entirely because of Nintendo's first-party software (Wii Sports, Wii Play, Wii Fit, Wii Music, Mario Kart, NSMB, DK, etc).

Increasing hardware power, in my opinion, will not magically fix Nintendo's problems with third-party publishers. Nintendo still has a different controller than the competition that requires extra development. Nintendo software still shapes the console's audience (those darn Nintendo fans). Third party software will likely still sell worse than the competition. For these reasons, third parties will likely not spend resources developing on Nintendo's platforms no matter its power compared to Microsoft's or Sony's platforms.

Nintendo has a severe image problem because of its strengths, and I don't think Nintendo should abandon their strengths in order to please third-parties. I hope I said something that you can agree with, haha.

 

[Cheebo]

Wtf.

Tough Crowd in here.

Console not lighting the world on fire?

Fuck you you're fired.

Geez

Console AND handheld. 3DS is not doing good outside of Japan.

 

[Shiggy]

Wtf.

Tough Crowd in here.

Console not lighting the world on fire?

Fuck you you're fired.

Geez

Describing the Wii U as "not lighting the world on fire" can be considered as a euphemism.

 

[Gummb]

Reggie didn't lie. He was proving what I said. That certain decisions were made based on power. This is reality!

I never denied that certain decisions were made based on power. And since Reggie didn't lie, you should have nothing to worry about and the Wii U should be a phenomenal success! Yay!

 

[Glass Rebel]

Well we're both running into what ifs. You say it would of been suicide to wait too long but the idea of Wii was also considered equally as deadly.

The Wii was still profitable from day 1 and allowed Nintendo to release software at a somewhat similar pace which proved crucial as third-party support was never a given.

And I'm not sure why you're harping on the Gamecube's end of life. Again, Gamecube got games the Wii never saw the light of. How is the Wii in a better position for this?

Because Nintendo's position in the console business was less than favourable at that point. The GC was considered a joke by the end of the generation and Nintendo was facing Sony, who came off the PSone and PStwo, and Microsoft with their loose cash-hand. They saw what happened to SEGA with the Dreamcast and realized that they were slowly going towards that future because they couldn't possibly win in an arms race with either company.

If you're going to argue that Nintendo should go third party that's a different discussion altogether.

 

[slit]

For fuck's sake. People are really calling for blood here. The Wii U is still a new console. Nintendo has its work cut out for themselves but cheesus crust, this is getting ridiculous. You don't think Iwata can last 4 months from now? Talk about jumping the gun.

NO IT'S OVER. The big N is dead! Time to start thinking how the liquidation sale is going to go.

Seriously though, the console has been out about 90 days and some people here already have Nintendo out of business or becoming a shell company like Atari. :lol

 

[Brera]

You know, I'd agree with you on the bolded if the Wii U were currently failing due to a list of unforeseen problems and new developments in the industry and Iwata was genuinely caught unaware.

But that's not the case here.

The Wii U is failing for obvious reasons that all but the most Nintendo faithful had been wary of for years. It's failing for the same reasons the 3DS launch was such a bust. And, if we're being HONEST here, the Wii U is failing for the same reasons the Wii WOULD HAVE failed if it weren't for the wiimote being a hit and staving off the consequences of some of the corners Nintendo cut with other aspects of the system. It's the same problems stemming from the same decisions.

What does this mean? It means that Iwata has displayed a rigid, overly-conservative, almost bullheaded consistency in how he runs the company. This is a BAD thing, especially when it leads to multiple fuck-ups that can be traced back to the same core mistakes. Iwata's successes are now old news. He has shown a lack of vision and a complete inability to adapt to the changing realities of a fast-paced industry. And you better believe that's how the shareholders are going to see it.

I'm sticking to my prediction: Iwata is done.

Ironically, it was being innovative that was his own undoing.

Dude thought he was smarter than us and could trick us a 2nd time.

 

[Knux-Future]

Console AND handheld. 3DS is not doing good outside of Japan.

It's not doing amazing.

Once again I doubt they'd consider it a failure.

But whatever this thread has gotten too negative for me man.

You guys are depressing me lol.
Killing my vibe and shit.

Hope they figure it out and turn it around.
I don't think firing Iwata is the answer... New management would probably be even more conservative if other Japanese companies are an example.

 

[IsntChrisL]

You know, I'd agree with you on the bolded if the Wii U were currently failing due to a list of unforeseen problems and new developments in the industry and Iwata was genuinely caught unaware.

But that's not the case here.

The Wii U is failing for obvious reasons that all but the most Nintendo faithful had been wary of for years. It's failing for the same reasons the 3DS launch was such a bust. And, if we're being HONEST here, the Wii U is failing for the same reasons the Wii WOULD HAVE failed if it weren't for the wiimote being a hit and staving off the consequences of some of the corners Nintendo cut with other aspects of the system. It's the same problems stemming from the same decisions.

What does this mean? It means that Iwata has displayed a rigid, overly-conservative, almost bullheaded consistency in how he runs the company. This is a BAD thing, especially when it leads to multiple fuck-ups that can be traced back to the same core mistakes. Iwata's successes are now old news. He has shown a lack of vision and a complete inability to adapt to the changing realities of a fast-paced industry. And you better believe that's how the shareholders are going to see it.

I'm sticking to my prediction: Iwata is done.

Nintendo has its fair share of problems to address. Not enough people understand that the Wii U is a new console and they need to show some third party support, pronto.

That said, it's pretty crazy to assume that Iwata should be clearing out his desk before June just because the Wii U is struggling right now. E3 is where Nintendo can show they've got the ammo to turn things around. If they fail to do that. If the second half of 2013 looks barren, then we can start to wonder about Iwata's future. Until then, people need to breathe a little.

 

[Sandfox]

Ironically, it was being innovative that was his own undoing.

Dude thought he was smarter than us and could trick us a 2nd time.

How did Iwata "trick" us?

 

[Shiggy]

It's not doing amazing.

Once again I doubt they'd consider it a failure.

But whatever this thread has gotten too negative for me man.

You guys are depressing me lol.
Killing my vibe and shit.

Hope they figure it out and turn it around.
I don't think firing Iwata is the answer... New management would probably be even more conservative if other Japanese companies are an example.

Not quite sure whether you have seen the Wii U sales or the 3DS sales in the US and Europe. If you have not, I can tell you that 3rd party publishers have.

 

[JordanN]

The Wii was still profitable from day 1 and allowed Nintendo to release software at a somewhat similar pace which proved crucial as third-party support was never a given.

And this cost them all future third party support whereas a powerful Wii could of reaped the successes throughout the entire gen.

Because Nintendo's position in the console business was less than favourable at that point. The GC was considered a joke by the end of the generation and Nintendo was facing Sony, who came off the PSone and PStwo, and Microsoft with their loose cash-hand. They saw what happened to SEGA with the Dreamcast and realized that they were slowly going towards that future because they couldn't possibly win in an arms race with either company.

Are we seriously going down this path again?

If you're going to argue that Nintendo should go third party that's a different discussion altogether.

Uh... I made no allusions to this. Sorry.

 

[Gummb]

You know, I'd agree with you on the bolded if the Wii U were currently failing due to a list of unforeseen problems and new developments in the industry and Iwata was genuinely caught unaware.

But that's not the case here.

The Wii U is failing for obvious reasons that all but the most Nintendo faithful had been wary of for years. It's failing for the same reasons the 3DS launch was such a bust. And, if we're being HONEST here, the Wii U is failing for the same reasons the Wii WOULD HAVE failed if it weren't for the wiimote being a hit and staving off the consequences of some of the corners Nintendo cut with other aspects of the system. It's the same problems stemming from the same decisions.

What does this mean? It means that Iwata has displayed a rigid, overly-conservative, almost bullheaded consistency in how he runs the company. This is a BAD thing, especially when it leads to multiple fuck-ups that can be traced back to the same core mistakes. Iwata's successes are now old news. He has shown a lack of vision and a complete inability to adapt to the changing realities of a fast-paced industry. And you better believe that's how the shareholders are going to see it.

I'm sticking to my prediction: Iwata is done.

I feel like Iwata did something to you personally just to piss you off. You can't honestly believe that Iwata is done come March... because Nintendo is expecting some pretty decent profit coming up now that the 3DS has stabilized and Wii U software will be released.

 

[Glass Rebel]

And this cost them all future third party support whereas a powerful Wii could of reaped the successes throughout the entire gen.


Are we seriously going down this path again?


Uh... I made no allusions to this. Sorry.

History and sales from N64 to GC don't really support your theory though.

 

[Knux-Future]

Maybe we have different definitions of failures then.

The Vita is looking like a failure. But even that I won't write of yet. It takes time guys. Are we spoiled by the crazy ds Wii sales?

Regardless I'm not going to argue about sales and stuff. I hope Nintendo puts out great games for their systems. That is the best way to raise interest.

Lets hope for that rather than firing dudes for prettier graphics

 

[farnham]

Are we seriously going down this path again?

simply because its the truth. why try to be the redundant hardware while loosing a lot of money if you can be the redundant hardware while making some money

 

[JordanN]

History and sales from N64 to GC don't really support your theory though.

That the N64 and Gamecube's lack of sales can be blamed on bad marketing and not hardware?

Again, hardware was always a trump card for both consoles.

 

[Aquamarine]

Wtf.

Tough Crowd in here.

Console not lighting the world on fire?

Fuck you you're fired.

Geez

57k was below even the lowest expectations for January sales.

 

[JordanN]

simply because its the truth. why try to be the redundant hardware while loosing a lot of money if you can be the redundant hardware while making some money

Because:

How did the PS3/360 end up with more support than the Wii? Why is Unreal Engine 3 not for the Wii?

 

[Gummb]

And this cost them all future third party support whereas a powerful Wii could of reaped the successes throughout the entire gen.

You think that a more powerful Wii would have had more third party support with the Wii-mote still intact? You think that Nintendo would have been more profitable by making a more expensive console that might not have attracted what ended as Wii's base consumer - the "casuals?" You think a more expensive console would not have cut into Nintendo's profit margin?

I feel like you aren't considering a complex scenario when you write, but are thinking in pure linearity.

That the N64 and Gamecube's lack of sales can be blamed on bad marketing and not hardware?

Again, hardware was always a trump card for both consoles.

that led to horrible sales. Did Wii marketing not suck in comparison? Why did it not suck when compared to the Gamecube?

Is this not everything that you've ever wanted from the Wii? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIgpuGw168k

Isn't this not everything you hated about the Wii? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQC5JyM4KHA

 

[Brera]

Come E3 we'll all be eating our words and Iwata will be a gaming god by then.

The Reggie hate will continue though. Those are my 2013 predictions

 

[Glass Rebel]

That the N64 and Gamecube's lack of sales can be blamed on bad marketing and not hardware?

Again, hardware was always a trump card for both consoles.

Throwing money at a problem wouldn't have magically made the PS1 or PS2 disappear. Solely blaming marketing for deeply rooted issues in manufacturing costs, audience and third-party relations is incredibly simple-minded.

Come E3 we'll all be eating our words and Iwata will be a gaming god by then.

The Reggie hate will continue though. Those are my 2013 predictions

I see nothing that would change the course of the Wii U in the next 4 months.