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[Lord_Byron28]

I will wait until tomorrow for confirmation. 429 and 529 sounds too unconventional. 399 and 499 seems more likely.

My thoughts as well. They'll either go 399/499 or 450/550. Haven't we had similar rumors of pricing from europe and japan that seem in line with this report? I guess it really depends on if they can still make money off 399/499 since they can't really afford to lose money.

 

[Baconsammy]

hard to believe that sony would just throw away a significant USP like free online

What has free online play earned them this gen? The fewest consoles sold, they lost America, and they lost more money this gen then they made in the prior two gens combined. Not charging for a service would be dumber than charging for it.

 

[Striek]

Everything in this report sounds terrible.

I really doubt they are announcing any price before E3 or even later, so its going to be quite the stew on that.

 

[jett]

Orbis is also following the path first set by Xbox Live: our source says "most" of the PS4's online features will require a premium subscription to use. Sony's new online service will be called PlayStation World, our source says, replacing PlayStation Plus

This can't be true. If true Sony better be ready for a well deserved shitstorm to fall on their faces.

 

[Wynnebeck]

The picture is new, but is it from the same source?

Good question. Are we looking at a situation where Kotaku got the picture of the devkit controller and some crazy info as a rumor? Those prices are too arbitrary to be real.

 

[Sadist]

Personally, I don't. I get no use from it. The games they include for rental are ones I either played or had no interest in anyway, or I would have played them. The discounts are sometimes nice though. If they add a bunch of this new rumored functionality to PS+, regardless of liking the current service, I'll have to buy it to get the most out of my PS4. I have no problem with that as long as there's at least one deal a year on PS+ subscriptions.

Hey, I agree with Baconsammy for once.

 

[Polari]

What's latency like with Miracast? I notice all Sony's recent high-end smartphones support the standard, so if they can get the latency down it would make sense for the PS4 to support it. Wii U but bring your own tablet.

 

[Pooya]

The picture is new, but is it from the same source?

yeah, http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47938215&postcount=21

 

[sammex]

Well we'll probably find out tomorrow anyway. Seeing that price point doesn't give me hope for a sub £400 launch in the UK, we normally get screwed by the strong pound.

 

[chubigans]

It's actually pretty much exact with today's exchange rate. Which is why it's fake. 40,000 yen translates to $399. Before the price cut Vita was 24,990 which is $269, but vita is $249 in the US.

It is highly likely that this "source" just converted the yen price to USD and ran with it. If it is that superdae guy then it is definitely wrong.

Yep, like I said, someone took the existing news/rumors and just spun them. I think we are being trolled.

Yup, I feel like this is exactly what's going on.

 

[mrklaw]

If you just buy stuff off PSN with your phone, that isn't exactly controlling your PS4. Although I hope they expand remoteplay for video and services to phones and tablets - that would be controlling the PS4

429/529 sounds like a yen conversion price. Surely Sony would just suck it up and charge 399/499?

Online is interesting. What is premium except online play? If they put Netflix etc behind a paywall they can fuck off. Maybe the online share/spectate, make money off all the social stuff?

They might make money from online, but *not* charging is a differentiator for them, especially at the start of a generation where service inertia is at its lowest

 

[Guymelef]

Kotaku: Our source—the same reliable source who back in early 2012 told us the codename for Sony's next console and the codename for Microsoft's next console—

I doubt any source outside Sony knows about different skus.

 

[Kun Aguero]

Just a reminder, this is kotaku gentleman.

 

[Comet]

I love how everyone is going crazy and making purchasing decisions based off of unconfirmed and likely inaccurate info.

I'm pretty sure most people are saying these things with the assumption that this information is true.

 

[joeblow]

Except Japan -> US pricing usually goes like this:

24,980 yen -> $250.

Let's keep in mind that he Nikkei price rumor said "more" than 40k yen. That means a minimum U.S. price of $430-$450 falls in line with that. People need to stop acting surprised since the rumors continue to say more than $400.

 

[Ricker]

I hope they fix the issue where of the PSN is down you can't use netflix.

Haha,that's a good point but I dont think it will be one of their priority/announcement for tomorrow

 

[UberTag]

I hope Sony is wise enough to ignore the GAF backlash on this one. Microsoft has proven that you can generate substantial revenue by putting online gaming behind a pay wall and money is what Sony desperately needs right now. MS is going to CRUSH them in marketing this fall when it's time to start paying money.

Now... there's a caveat to this. Sony probably won't be able to charge for online in Japan (although the console space is so diminished at this point that they might as well just to make it uniform globally). The rest of continental Europe (aka not the UK) will be the tough sell.

I can see Sony mitigating the damage from paid online by highlighting what their paid service offers over the competition (Cloud-based streaming of games, watching your friends game, PS+ free games, covers online gaming on both PS4 & Vita, etc.) That's how I'd pitch it, at least. Netflix is a wild card of sorts. I suspect they would keep that out of the pay wall scenario but it's hard to say.

Also, throw in a free year with the purchase of the system (hence the extra $29, annual rate applies afterwards).

 

[zomgbbqftw]

What's latency like with Miracast? I notice all Sony's recent high-end smartphones support the standard, so if they can get the latency down it would make sense for the PS4 to support it. Wii U but bring your own tablet.

Latency is almost non-existent with Miarcast.

 

[xaosslug]

Kotaku is funny... so, they get their hands on a new pic of the DS4 prototype, and use it to validate their rumors. LOL

what are they gonna do when the price is announced tomorrow, and it's a single SKU priced @ $399?

 

[Metalmurphy]

What has free online play earned them this gen? The fewest consoles sold, they lost America, and they lost more money this gen then they made in the prior two gens combined. Not charging for a service would be dumber than charging for it.

Within the same timeframe they didn't have the fewest consoles sold.
Charging for online probably would have made it worst.
It also wouldn't remove them from the financial pit they're in.
Charging for online AND having an inferior service would make no one buy a PS4.

 

[jschreier]

The source for this story is the same source who helped us break the Orbis and Durango codenames. This source also sent us the new photos you can see in today's story. It's not Superdae.

The pricing, as we said in the piece, could very well change. That's just their current plan.

I don't think we'll hear about pricing tomorrow, regardless, but that's just me speaking personally.

 

[Spongebob]

Just a reminder, this is kotaku gentleman.

And your point is?

The source for this story is the same source who helped us break the Orbis and Durango codenames. This source also sent us the new photos you can see in today's story. It's not Superdae.

The pricing, as we said in the piece, could very well change. That's just their current plan.

I don't think we'll hear about pricing tomorrow, regardless, but that's just me speaking personally.

As I thought.

 

[Mad_Ban]

Durango probably only going to be $30 difference at launch even with these prices I would have to guess. Can't really see a $299 option out the gate from MS.

Subscription model?

 

[EvB]

I smell bullsuit. kotaku no less.

You certainly hope so.

Where did they bullshit up that new pad image from?

 

[tzare]

Why not? Because of the example MS set?

Sony tried being 'friendly' this gen (free online play, no proprietary memory) and it lost them a chunk of pennies. Why repeat the mistake?

Because that would probably mean charging for vita or ps3 online gaming too. I'm sure they will keep basic online, as in ps3 free, including party chat as in vita, and other advanced features, will be behind a paywall, probably ps4 specific ones like uploading captured gameplay vids to youtube, services that need cloud storage etc.
They know that free online mp is a selling point for playstation right now.
And while still popular i see many cancel their live subs, this is the end of the generation, psn is not what it was in 2007

 

[chubigans]

If I had a 3D printer, I'd design the Durango controller, take a pic and troll Kotaku. XD

Symmetrical sticks at last!

 

[EdibleExplosives]

If it costs to play online, fuck next gen.

 

[Log4Girlz]

Just a reminder, this is kotaku gentleman.

Wasn't it a banned site a few years ago?

 

[A Human Becoming]

I just know Sony is going to upset me tomorrow with one of the "features" announced. The worst be the exclusion of used games, but I think it will only be Microsoft that pulls that trigger. The worst sounding so far is "most" online features being behind a paid service. I want to ditch Xbox Live as my main online service for SEN next gen. This will deter me from doing so.

 

[Painraze]

You certainly hope so.

Where did they bullshit up that new pad image from?

Someone with a dev kit knows Sony's corporate pricing structure? lol

 

[Baconsammy]

Within the same timeframe it doesn't have the fewest consoles sold.
Charging for online probably would have made it worst.
It also wouldn't remove them from the financial pit they're in.
Charging for online AND having an inferior service would make no one buy a PS4.

Yeahhh no. Sony fans are buying it regardless. And there's a lot of them. Sony essentially shit away a ton of money for an advantage that turned out to be no advantage at all. Not good business.

Subscription model?

If the subscription model works out well for them, Sony will copy it. They love good ideas too. And it would serve them well if in fact their new console is expensive.

 

[gofreak]

Didn't Kotaku recently run an article with the source being SuperDae? Just saying.



Except Japan -> US pricing usually goes like this:

24,980 yen -> $250.

That's what I mean. If the price is 40,000 (or 39980) yen I'd expect $399. But if someone (a source or journalist) was told 40,000 yen they might convert to $430 and offer that as a price in dollars. It seems like an odd number and it seems to suspiciously line up with a yen conversion...

 

[EvB]

This can't be true. If true Sony better be ready for a well deserved shitstorm to fall on their faces.

What you gonna do if if it is true?

Not buy all the games that YOU WANT TO PLAY?

 

[makingmusic476]

Wasn't "PlayStation World" the rumored name of PSN before it was officially unveiled in 2006?

 

[i-Lo]

As long as they keep the ability of play online free, I am okay.

$429 for the turd pack, subscription for online, needs a phone/tablet? Welp, I'm out.

A lot of assumptions here. Amazing the shit people can pull in terms of trolling on gaf nowadays.

 

[stktt]

Kotaku is funny... so, they get their hands on a new pic of the DS4 prototype, and use it to validate their rumors. LOL

what are they gonna do when the price is announced tomorrow, and it's a single SKU priced @ $399?

They'll issue a handwritten apology to this website, personally taking the blame for every reaction from an individual that assumed the rumor was true.

 

[Ocaso]

I expected a base unit of $399. $429 just doesn't have the same appeal. Still, if the rumored specs are true and the software/features justify it, I might bite at that price.

 

[EvB]

Someone with a dev kit knows Sony's corporate pricing structure? lol

More than likely somebody not bound by NDAs who is setting up the stage for tommorrow and has seen the slides/rehearsals.

 

[sangreal]

Wasn't "PlayStation World" the rumored name of PSN before it was officially unveiled in 2006?

It was on one of their slides iirc

 

[Metalmurphy]

Yeahhh no. Sony fans are buying it regardless. And there's a lot of them. Sony essentially shit away a ton of money for an advantage that turned out to be no advantage at all. Not good business.

Sony fans are meaningless... Most of the marketshare doesn't come from Microsoft/Nintendo/Sony fans.

 

[The One and Done™]

Sony will not charge to play online. They will just have an upgraded PlaystationPlus more than likely and they will actually be giving that away for free for folks who buy it on day one.

 

[gutter_trash]

Im boycotting Kotaku for life if they are wrong (and they will be wrong)

 

[gofreak]

The source for this story is the same source who helped us break the Orbis and Durango codenames. This source also sent us the new photos you can see in today's story. It's not Superdae.

The pricing, as we said in the piece, could very well change. That's just their current plan.

I don't think we'll hear about pricing tomorrow, regardless, but that's just me speaking personally.

Can you say if the price is local US pricing or a conversion from intended Japanese pricing?

 

[Megadragon15]

Sounds like Sony wants to retake America by copying Microsoft.

 

[Proxy]

The source for this story is the same source who helped us break the Orbis and Durango codenames. This source also sent us the new photos you can see in today's story. It's not Superdae.

The pricing, as we said in the piece, could very well change. That's just their current plan.

I don't think we'll hear about pricing tomorrow, regardless, but that's just me speaking personally.

The code names were out in the wild well before that.

http://pastebin.com/j4jVaUv0

 

[DaBoss]

Good question. Are we looking at a situation where Kotaku got the picture of the devkit controller and some crazy info as a rumor? Those prices are too arbitrary to be real.

How are you so sure?

 

[Painraze]

More than likely somebody bound by NDAs who is setting up the stage for tommorrow and has seen the slides/rehearsals.

If that were the case he'd have a lot more concrete info than the bullshit in kotaku.

 

[Baconsammy]

I expected a base unit of $399. $429 just doesn't have the same appeal. Still, if the rumored specs are true and the software/features justify it, I might bite at that price.

Lots more power, new services, and a new Uncharted game. That's some pretty good justification.

Sony fans are meaningless... Most of the marketshare doesn't come from Microsoft/Nintendo/Sony fans.

Just the most important share. The group that drives attach rates up, and buys consoles at full price during launch.

Sounds like Sony wants to retake America by copying Microsoft.

That's a good goal to have. Losing America is one of the biggest reasons they're in such trouble.

 

[SmokyDave]

Because that would probably mean charging for vita or ps3 online gaming too. I'm sure they will keep basic online, as in ps3 free, including party chat as in vita, and other advanced features, will be behind a paywall, probably ps4 specific ones like uploading captured gameplay vids to youtube, services that need cloud storage etc.

You might be right, but I wouldn't be sure of it. I see no reason for them to provide for free what their competitor charges for.

They know that free online mp is a selling point for playstation right now.

I really don't think that's the case at all. I doubt anyone, anywhere, ever, has based their purchasing decision on that.

 

[IrishNinja]

locking online onto PS+ is shitty but not unexpected, and if they keep the steady flow of games coming to that service, i might not notice.

are we assuming the difference in price/models is just HDD, not innards? should i still hold out any hope for a legacy BC model?

the tablet/phone stuff is neat, but i really don't see myself using that unless there's some steam-like lightning sale before i get home, which'd be amazing but also strikes me as unlikely.

I really don't think that's the case at all. I doubt anyone, anywhere, ever, has based their purchasing decision on that.

i admittedly don't have my finger on the pulse/good research here, but i've a difficult time imagining free online didn't sway at least some folks. it was a big plus in my book, many on here seem to claim the same (though you might argue we were gonna get it eventually anyway)