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[Biggzy]

I wonder if that thing will require the system to be right in front of you and under the TV. My consoles are good 5 feet away to the sides from my TV and where I directly sit to play games.

Kinect? Kinect will still be a separate device because of this.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

If the system really does require online functionality to be able to properly work is MS going to make a separate SKU for territories outside the US and Europe that have a extremely low internet adoption?

 

[DopeyFish]

MS in general deserve all the outrage it gets because of how incompetent it has become technically, but with the Durango they're taking the necessary step in the future.

i remember the hilarious outrage over Xbox/Xbox-Live not supporting narrow-band

Kinect? Kinect will still be a separate device because of this.

current rumor is it requires power, but connects to Durango wirelessly (probably part of their low latency solution for their controllers)

 

[Boss Man]

It has every potential to improve end user experience. Running *all* games from HDD will see shorter load times and less console noise/heat. I'm all for in in principle, as long as it's implement well.

I would imagine the retail discs just contain an installer. The Xbox will install the files required to start playing the game first. This would mean you have a short delay between inserting the new game for the first time and playing, compared with the current wait to install that you get with 360 games.

The most important thing is that I don't have to get off the couch, open trays and game boxes to switch games anymore.

If it's a game I plan on playing a lot / for a long time, I would probably do it given the option and HDD space.

However, why mandatory for all games? Why not optional for all games, for instance?

 

[Proelite]

If the system really does require online functionality to be able to properly work is MS going to make a separate SKU for territories outside the US and Europe that have a extremely low internet adoption?

Hmm, I guess for these countries, you must require disc in tray?

 

[Karak]

If the system really does require online functionality to be able to properly work is MS going to make a separate SKU for territories outside the US and Europe that have a extremely low internet adoption?

No.
But they will pay for moving costs for people to move to these places that do have the internet in every home.
These magical places

 

[trmas]

This is going to be the same for the PS4. I'm starting to believe all games are going to come with an activation code. The mandatory Kinect is the only really concerning part of this. That sucks canal water

 

[Ales]

For me is "jump out"after 10 years of xbox.LOL kinect 2, the GPU of 1.2 Tflops, etc...MS is crazy.

 

[tinfoilhatman]

Why do people assume games won't play if your internet connection(or "authentication servers") is unavailable for whatever reason?

 

[Gangxxter]

No offline mode for Durango? Well that's it, the console war is already over before it has started at all.

Sony wins. Gratz Sony, you deserve it.

 

[derFeef]

No.
But they will pay for moving costs for people to move to these places that do have the internet in every home.
These magical places

Haha, I just thought about it for a few seconds. My lordy.

 

[Karak]

Why do people assume games won't play if your internet connection is unavailable for whatever reason?

Check my post on the previous page for the # of devices I have that PROVE beyond a shadow of a doubt that Always Connected or Always ON MEANS without the Internet the device simply won't work.

FYI I am just poking shit at wording. No harm towards anyone intended.

XBOX Load Sneak King. BURGER KING!

 

[ari]

I think always connected sounds like a non-DRM type situation. Ala WII's always connected thing. I believe it when i see it.

 

[Monocle]

Mandatory installations? No disk streaming? Always connected? Sounds terrible. Going by this info, the first next gen console I buy will be a PS4.

 

[DopeyFish]

This is going to be the same for the PS4. I'm starting to believe all games are going to come with an activation code. The mandatory Kinect is the only really concerning part of this. That sucks canal water

meh. it's only a minor inconvenience. they won't force you to flail around to play the games you want or navigate the system. but it will be there just in case you ever want to use it. If it's a low profile device (ie something that just hangs on top of the TV ala a webcam) then it's such a non-issue.

 

[Boss Man]

Why do people assume games won't play if your internet connection(or "authentication servers") is unavailable for whatever reason?

Because that's generally how online DRM works.

Diablo, SimCity, and to some extent, Steam.

Why else would you even do it? "Gotta be online to authenticate, but if you can't that's cool."?

 

[Uno Venova]

Why do people assume games won't play if your internet connection is unavailable for whatever reason?

VGleaks and edge leaks state "to function".

 

[Oppo]

Always On, Always Online is the console state, FYI

When you turn off, it's still "on" in a low power state and it's still "connected" as it's able to download updates (if customer wishes), download demos (if customer wishes), and be able to download items that a customer selects through their Xbox Live apps/marketplace website, whatever.

It's not a customer mandate. It's an operating state.

But that's what makes me think it's basically a bundling of concepts together under the sub-brand "Always Connected, Always Online".

I mentioned this earlier in the thread. It's like Kinect. What is Kinect? Body tracking, speech recognition, video tracking. All together in one sub-brand called Kinect.

Always Online, Always Connected = instant pause/resume, background downloading, seamless patching, and – in all likelihood, by my estimation – game registrations. If so it will probably be slightly fault-tolerant (like SimCity's 20 minute "grace" period) but I will not be even slightly surprised if they require that you do in fact connect the console and leave it connected. They re-iterated that in the language of that captured help doc.

As for the help doc not seeming legit; well even though it is not salient info for an SDK or what have you, it does read to me like the first-page "overview" top level thing that they tend to put in as a sort of cover page. It's all HTML content anyways so it was probably pasted from another internal Durango doc source anyways.

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

Yeah but there isn't a bit where it states you have to be online to play games or run the console, it sounds like goofy marketing.

This. The wording makes it seem like when hooked to internet it's always connected and downloading updates, etc.

 

[ari]

VGleaks and edge leaks state "to function".

That is really dumb if true.

 

[abadguy]

Did it ever cross anyone's mind that maybe, just maybe Edge and VGleaks may have misinterpreted the info given to them or maybe their "sources" misinterpreted it? Many posters in this thread seemed to take "Always Connected" as "Online required".

 

[Plinko]

This is going to be the same for the PS4. I'm starting to believe all games are going to come with an activation code. The mandatory Kinect is the only really concerning part of this. That sucks canal water

Source?

 

[Boss Man]

Always On, Always Online is the console state, FYI

When you turn off, it's still "on" in a low power state and it's still "connected" as it's able to download updates (if customer wishes), download demos (if customer wishes), and be able to download items that a customer selects through their Xbox Live apps/marketplace website, whatever.

It's not a customer mandate. It's an operating state.

I hope so, but after the rumors we got a while back from Edge (which have all checked out so far), I am a bit suspicious of this.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Care to tell me how durango manages to "always maintain a network connection so that console software and games are always current" if someone doesn't have a network at home.

Sure, it might not say the word "required" but it sure as hell doesn't say or imply its optional.

The same way it worked on Xbox, Xbox 360, PC/Mac, and PS3? If you don't connect your system online you don't get the patches for the game nor do you get the system updates (well they come later)

herp derp

You guys are just hilarious as fuck atm.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

Nothing in concrete yet with this Durango information, but the problem is these same rumors keep materializing over and over again leading me to believe it's legitimate. In the game industry, when a rumor keeps showing up, normally it becomes reality from what I've seen. I think even developers are stating the exact same rumors, aren't they? The next generation nightmare could be beginning folks.

 

[tfur]

- Read OP
- Read outrage in posts
- Reread OP
- Remembers it is a MS topic
- Leaves thread to read post about how those EA fuckers are giving you 70% of games

Ugh the persecution complex is getting tired.

Also, good to see everyone finally came around to being pro "go make a sandwich" for installs.

 

[Plinko]

Did it ever cross anyone's mind that maybe, just maybe Edge and VGleaks may have misinterpreted the info given to them or maybe their "sources" misinterpreted it? Many posters in this thread seem to be.

Possible? Yes.

Probable? No.

 

[Graphics Horse]

This is going to be the same for the PS4. I'm starting to believe all games are going to come with an activation code. The mandatory Kinect is the only really concerning part of this. That sucks canal water

Yes if you can run the game without the disc in the machine they will come with a 'code', I'm not sure if can be built unique on the disc somehow, it may be transmitted by NFC or held up to a camera, but it will probably be something less cumbersome than typing it in manually.

 

[d0c_zaius]

The same way it worked on Xbox, Xbox 360, PC/Mac, and PS3? If you don't connect your system online you don't get the patches for the game nor do you get the system updates (well they come later)

herp derp

You guys are just hilarious as fuck atm.

yea battle their assumptions with your assumptions. everybody wins.

 

[Uno Venova]

Did it ever cross anyone's mind that maybe, just maybe Edge and VGleaks may have misinterpreted the info given to them or maybe their "sources" misinterpreted it? Many posters in this thread seem to be.

That never crossed my mind no.

 

[Proelite]

That is really dumb if true.

It's not. All MS apps, devices, programs that's network capable has really robust off-line capabilities to ensure best user experience.

360 was a device that you can go online with.

Durango will be an online device with off-line quality guarantees.

 

[statham]

Ugh the persecution complex is getting tired.

Also, good to see everyone finally came around to being pro "go make a sandwich" for installs.

you can play the game as it installs?

 

[Y2Kev]

Look, I'm not afraid of my internet going down. I'm afraid of THEIR internet going down. Add up all the games that had fucktacular launches this gen, the PSN outage, XBL holiday issues, and no, I'm not okay with this.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

No.
But they will pay for moving costs for people to move to these places that do have the internet in every home.
These magical places

Haha they are indeed magical.

Hmm, I guess for these countries, you must require disc in tray?

There has to be a backup option. There is no way its online only for every territory I mean look at these stats:


WORLD INTERNET USAGE AND POPULATION STATISTICS(Percentage of population with Internet Access)

Africa

15.6 %

Asia

27.5 %

Europe

63.2 %

Middle East

40.2 %

North America

78.6 %

Latin America / Caribbean

42.9 %

Oceania / Australia

67.6 %

WORLD TOTAL

34.3 %

 

[Wynnebeck]

Guess they hit a goldmine when they came out with the black cover to cover up your Kinect huh?

 

[abadguy]

Possible? Yes.

Probable? No.

Why is it not probable?

 

[Arulan]

I've never noticed a delay from when I press the button and the on screen action. What's the point of lower latency?

You may simply not be able to tell because you're accustomed to it, but it is there. The wireless controller, most HDTVs (to varying degrees), the 30 or under fps, etc. all contribute to it.

 

[Router]

Why do people assume games won't play if your internet connection(or "authentication servers") is unavailable for whatever reason?

Because of rumours of no used games mixing with a misunderstanding of the phrase "always online, always connected".

 

[Raist]

Stop deflecting, Surly. What part of "will always maintain a network connection" is so hard for you to grasp?

Go look up the word "always", we'll wait.

Again, I hope they have changed their mind on this, I really do, but right now all signs point to just what they said - always online.

Yeah the Wii was always connected too with Wiiconnect24. Doesn't mean it was an absolute requirment. This is no different.

 

[Karak]

Look, I'm not afraid of my internet going down. I'm afraid of THEIR internet going down. Add up all the games that had fucktacular launches this gen, the PSN outage, XBL holiday issues, and no, I'm not okay with this.

Right as rain on this.

 

[Mononoke]

Not sure i like always on. Also i was never a big fan of Kinect so this forced integrarion is kind of pushing me away from buying one.

 

[Plinko]

Why is it not probable?

Because there are multiple sources. More sources = less chance of misinterpretation.

 

[test_account]

Always connected/online for the whole console sounds too crazy to be true.

 

[Biggzy]

Why is it not probable?

I believe Edge published an article shortly afterwards maintaining the story.

 

[Boss Man]

The same way it worked on Xbox, Xbox 360, PC/Mac, and PS3? If you don't connect your system online you don't get the patches for the game nor do you get the system updates (well they come later)

herp derp

You guys are just hilarious as fuck atm.

But Xbox, Xbox 360, PC/Mac, and PS3 don't always maintain an Internet connection. I mean, why would they be making a point to illustrate this if it wasn't anything different?

The best hope right now is that this simply refers to the same kind of deal Sony showed with PS4, where things are downloading / state-saving / etc. when the system is 'off' but it doesn't have to be doing that or be online.

 

[Proelite]

Look, I'm not afraid of my internet going down. I'm afraid of THEIR internet going down. Add up all the games that had fucktacular launches this gen, the PSN outage, XBL holiday issues, and no, I'm not okay with this.

I don't think console setup, game activation is going to stress their servers more than XBL multiplayer.

 

[Oppo]

Yes if you can run the game without the disc in the machine they will come with a 'code', I'm not sure if can be built unique on the disc somehow, it may be transmitted by NFC or held up to a camera, but it will probably be something less cumbersome than typing it in manually.

Shotcode (the round QR code) printed directly onto the disc:

hold disc up to always-connected Kinect to register game

your read it here first

Yeah the Wii was always connected too with Wiiconnect24. Doesn't mean it was an absolute requirment. This is no different.

I think it is different. But I will happily endure the ridicule if I am wrong because this whole thing smells bad.

Look, I'm not afraid of my internet going down. I'm afraid of THEIR internet going down. Add up all the games that had fucktacular launches this gen, the PSN outage, XBL holiday issues, and no, I'm not okay with this.

Exactly. Honestly all my consoles will be connected with ethernet. I'm not worried about that. But the precedent and the implications are really concerning, post-SimCity and all the rest.

 

[Router]

Entering long activation codes is hardcore like entering long ass password saves back in the day.

 

[Biggzy]

I don't think console setup, game activation is going to stress their servers more than XBL multiplayer.

People fail to forget that there are already a potential 40 million people connecting to Xbox Live every day.

 

[test_account]

I don't think console setup, game activation is going to stress their servers more than XBL multiplayer.

I think he is mostly thinking about unforseen problems with their servers.