Orochinagis
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Maybe he dont play games often....?
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Maybe he dont play games often....?
Um, so I'm a casual player...does that reallllly make me less important or smart than you guys? Is my opinion not as critical or valid as someone that considers themselves a competitive player?
You guys need to keep your self-importance in check and not confuse 'casual' with 'lack of caring about winning.'
I consider myself a casual player because I like to get on and have fun, but does that mean I don't like to win? Fuck off, of course it doesn't. Would I rather have a level starting ground instead of perks, specializations, and load outs? Absolutely.
You guys need to keep your self-importance in check and not confuse 'casual' with 'lack of caring about winning.'
I consider myself a casual player because I like to get on and have fun, but does that mean I don't like to win? Fuck off, of course it doesn't. Would I rather have a level starting ground instead of perks, specializations, and load outs? Absolutely.
Twilight Gap
Member
Personally, I'd treat MP like DLC. If you want the full experience, you have to learn how to play the game. You don't get free-bees like power ups or extra lives; that's easy mode. Stick around the easy stuff if you want to sample it or play casually, but the full experience comes with learning the ins and outs. We see this in games like MMOs all the time where you can't go to the next world until you level up and learn raw strategies you can use without bonus items.
The shiny, surface-level shallow stuff should always be the smallest layer. Think of it as "icing on the cake". A cake made out of icing is disgusting, but when you have the bread underneath it (the core of competitive multiplayer) you get something special.
Less icing, more cake.
The word has become quite ambiguous in recent times. It's really only supposed to mean a player who plays "occasionally", but many use it to refer to skill level (which I've been guilty of). It's a shame it has become a degrading term.
I too like to play and win but if it's not fun in the process then it defeats the point.
The shiny, surface-level shallow stuff should always be the smallest layer. Think of it as "icing on the cake". A cake made out of icing is disgusting, but when you have the bread underneath it (the core of competitive multiplayer) you get something special.
Less icing, more cake.
The word has become quite ambiguous in recent times. It's really only supposed to mean a player who plays "occasionally", but many use it to refer to skill level (which I've been guilty of). It's a shame it has become a degrading term.
I too like to play and win but if it's not fun in the process then it defeats the point.
Syphon Filter
Member
i know casuals that prefered the older halo games,not all of them are the same.
MaximumFlipFlop
Banned
No one cares what you casuals think. Casuals have destroyed gaming. Hopefully Xbox 720 has a candy dispenser so every time you do something good it shoots a gumball or some shit at you.
That's exactly my point, it's a stupid misnomer to reflect inept gamers. I'd go back to Halo 2 in a second if it were available and populated.
Twilight Gap
Member
You are absolutely right. A more appropriate and respectful word for would be a neophyte or an intermediate player (neos and innies as we used to say). This way you can aggregate the various skill levels without referring to play time or mindset. That same friend I mentioned who's played tens of thousands of games is certainly not an "occasional gamer", so calling him "casual" for not being a pro makes no sense, especially when he plays to win. I know a guy who has maybe only played 500 games of Halo collectively since Reach launched, but he's still better than everyone on my friend's list.
I call OS.
You and me both.
:lol
Speedy Blue Dude
Banned
If we do get a Halo 2 Anniversary, do you guys reckon it'd be a Xbox 720 Exclusive or a Cross Gen Game?
I'm hoping 720 Exclusive, so they can't just make the Multiplayer DLC for Halo 4.
I'm hoping 720 Exclusive, so they can't just make the Multiplayer DLC for Halo 4.
Twilight Gap
Member
It wouldn't make much sense from a business perspective to release Halo 2 with MP next year with Halo 5 on its heels. I think what is more likely to happen is an expansion like ODST, seeing as how they'd be able to market Halo 4 simultaneously.
Syphon Filter
Member
Halo 5 most likely wont be out till fall 2015.
MaximumFlipFlop
Banned
They should just do it as an experiment. See how the fans and other adopt it. Track it on the xbl charts. They really got nothing to lose.
Upres to 720P 60FPS and ship it.
Twilight Gap
Member
Halo 2 annie would need to arrive in Nov 2014 to keep with the 10 year thing. Halo 5 would be coming out right after that. Maybe I'm just not used to yearly Halo.
I'd be all over HD H2, but I'm having a hard time seeing it happening [with Multiplayer].
You know what, you're right. At this point in Reach's lifespan, releasing CEA with multiplayer would have distracted from Reach. However, since H2HD would be next year, it wouldn't really take anything away from Halo 4. Lemme know when I can pre-order!
But that still leaves the end of 2013. What will be in store for Halo this fall?
EagleBurnn
Banned
Yet 343 acts like they do. I guarantee whatever Halo experience 343 offers, they will play it. Just make it competitive already.
get fucked pussy
oh.
Syphon Filter
Member
lol that was random.
Life's better that way.
Twilight Gap
Member
We're in a Halo thread. Random jokes are accessible.
User 73706
Banned
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StalkerUKCG
Banned
Just to clarify when I say Casuals I don't mean people like heckfu. Despite his playing habits I think its pretty safe to say he has a deeper interest in Halo than the average Joe.
By Casual i mean players that either only entered this generation with the call of duty franchise or people who played some xbox back in 2004 with some buddies and bought a few EA sports and GTA games since. These people make up a huge percentage of the gaming audience but they are fickle and only care about the next call of duty release. They should never be the target market for a game because no matter how brilliant the game is the chance that they will flock to it or more importantly stay with it is very small.
Sadly you fuel the hype train enough and its going to pull large enough Day 1 numbers to make it attractive for publishers.
Gaming currently is in a poor position because it grew too big too fast with Call of Duty and The Wii and now Publishers are trying to appeal to 10's of millions of people at the same time which ultimately means the products delivered have to be suitable for mass markets making them easier, requiring less skill for accomplishments and more devoted to pleasing people who are likely to drop the game after a month.
Halo 4 is the perfect example of trying to make the series more friendly to this userbase and you can see the negative effect its had on the game and its population. Halo is pulling poor numbers because the crowd it was aiming for did not care and the crowd it had hated the changes made. Its not going to change either. Halo 5 is going to another poor showing with a few legacy features reimplemented so we shut up but things that are ultimately detrimental to the core gameplay like loadouts and AA's and sprint are going to stay.
A major problem is that 343i have already acknowledge that people want zero sprint gametypes with no AA's weapons on map and static spawns and yet are simply not making moves to push them out to players.
I'd wager in favor of population growth if they implemented
Legacy Map Pack (The Pit, Lockout, Midship, Warlock, Sanctuary)
Classic Slayer (No sprint, No ordnance, No loadouts, No AA's 110% movement)
Classic Objective (same as above) (CTF, Assault, Territories)
I'm not talking immense growth but I know a handful of players who would be more than willing to play it again if the above was implemented.
By Casual i mean players that either only entered this generation with the call of duty franchise or people who played some xbox back in 2004 with some buddies and bought a few EA sports and GTA games since. These people make up a huge percentage of the gaming audience but they are fickle and only care about the next call of duty release. They should never be the target market for a game because no matter how brilliant the game is the chance that they will flock to it or more importantly stay with it is very small.
Sadly you fuel the hype train enough and its going to pull large enough Day 1 numbers to make it attractive for publishers.
Gaming currently is in a poor position because it grew too big too fast with Call of Duty and The Wii and now Publishers are trying to appeal to 10's of millions of people at the same time which ultimately means the products delivered have to be suitable for mass markets making them easier, requiring less skill for accomplishments and more devoted to pleasing people who are likely to drop the game after a month.
Halo 4 is the perfect example of trying to make the series more friendly to this userbase and you can see the negative effect its had on the game and its population. Halo is pulling poor numbers because the crowd it was aiming for did not care and the crowd it had hated the changes made. Its not going to change either. Halo 5 is going to another poor showing with a few legacy features reimplemented so we shut up but things that are ultimately detrimental to the core gameplay like loadouts and AA's and sprint are going to stay.
A major problem is that 343i have already acknowledge that people want zero sprint gametypes with no AA's weapons on map and static spawns and yet are simply not making moves to push them out to players.
I'd wager in favor of population growth if they implemented
Legacy Map Pack (The Pit, Lockout, Midship, Warlock, Sanctuary)
Classic Slayer (No sprint, No ordnance, No loadouts, No AA's 110% movement)
Classic Objective (same as above) (CTF, Assault, Territories)
I'm not talking immense growth but I know a handful of players who would be more than willing to play it again if the above was implemented.
How much money do you think a casual spends on Halo compared to yourself?
User 73706
Banned
Am I a casual?
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Less
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
Nice Madness, welcome to the club.
Well said, especially the bold. Being hyper competitive and caring deeply about stats/wins is boring in a game that doesn't care about me progressing in skill as an individual.
I'd rather drive a Warthog, but that doesn't mean I won't put the GODshoes on when playing against tryhards.
Very disappointing. I would love to listen in on the discussions about the direction of this franchise and the decisions being made. It's mind boggling how the ball can be dropped over and over again ;\
Well said, especially the bold. Being hyper competitive and caring deeply about stats/wins is boring in a game that doesn't care about me progressing in skill as an individual.
I'd rather drive a Warthog, but that doesn't mean I won't put the GODshoes on when playing against tryhards.
Very disappointing. I would love to listen in on the discussions about the direction of this franchise and the decisions being made. It's mind boggling how the ball can be dropped over and over again ;\
Doubt it.
Hydranockz
Member
What were the population shifts like when the previously released maps came out?
StalkerUKCG
Banned
I genuinely don't know what this means.
Hydranockz
Member
Sounds like something a casual would say.
HiredN00bs
Banned
I think he's saying that while you spent more on Halo than most others, overall there are more of those casual types that bought the game than your type.
Majestic Feb 25th doesn't show (believe XBL had issues). White indicates the day of release.
Crimson
Majestic
*Remember this is just the highest concurrent, not overall.
not sure if serious or just terrible with simple words/phrases
StalkerUKCG
Banned
I thought it might have been that but Id already said that "Sadly you fuel the hype train enough and its going to pull large enough Day 1 numbers to make it attractive for publishers."
Which I thought put across that I understand as a whole the casual market overshadows the core in terms of buying power.
I'm not sure if you genuinely think a single casual buyer spends more money on Halo than I do.
What the heck is a casual buyer? Someone who just buys one regular edition of the game? That's what I would assume.
Tell us your Halo purchasing history. You are clearly more than a casual because you post in this thread every 5 minutes. A casual Halo person wouldn't devote that much time to the franchise. Didn't you buy a bunch of legendary editions or something for Halo 3?
StalkerUKCG
Banned
I don't understand what your issue is with this but by casual buyer I did mean some one who purchases regular editions of games infrequently.
I spent a a fairly large amount of money on Halo 4, Less on Halo 3 and Reach but typically I get the largest SKU and other limited edition content made like consoles and art books. I don't see why this is a problem for you (or why my posting habits are)
My point behind the answer "less" was that I doubt that the "casuals" I previously referred to spent more on Halo than myself. What I don't understand is why you asked the question.
xxjuicesxx
Member
It really wouldn't though.
There's no reason to play Halo 4 because there's no ranking system.
Without that competitive seed everything else slowly dies.
I just didn't think you'd be able to afford all of that stuff with how rough your financial situation seems to be.
Yet you have bought like every Halo console plus much more!
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=39803994&postcount=8775
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=32997382&postcount=8153
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=39799082&postcount=8539
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=42348513&postcount=6608
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=42689284&postcount=15692
Buying expensive consoles is a non issue for you? Okay...
But it's okay because it's not being spent on drugs right?
Maybe you shouldn't blame the government for your unnecessary console spending. =/
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Nice try. Everything I spent on Halo 4 Was bought with money I earned during employment. Previous stuff was bought when i was in a much better financial position than I currently am.
If your had actually bothered to read any of the stuff you posted you would see this since I talk about dates I was made unemployed
Get over yourself trying to shame people on a forum.