I enjoyed Nocturne, but not to the point that I'm willing to pay a premium price (relative to the platform) for a new installment. In fact, the only people who are going to be willing to pay the premium for it are diehard fans of the series -- everybody else is going to pass on it in favor of something cheaper. This pricing is going to cause the SMT fanbase in the US to shrink and hurt the series in the long run. If you want to charge a premium for the game to appeal to the diehard fans without alienating everyone else, that's what (optional) Limited/Special Editions are for.
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I enjoyed Nocturne, but not to the point that I'm willing to pay a premium price (relative to the platform) for a new installment. In fact, the only people who are going to be willing to pay the premium for it are diehard fans of the series -- everybody else is going to pass on it in favor of something cheaper. This pricing is going to cause the SMT fanbase in the US to shrink and hurt the series in the long run. If you want to charge a premium for the game to appeal to the diehard fans without alienating everyone else, that's what (optional) Limited/Special Editions are for.
My experience is anecdotal of course, but it seems like way more people are talking about megaten now than they were before P3 and P4 were released. But perhaps I am mistaken entirely - just trying to get a grasp of what the big deal is.
Ok, I have seen this in a LOT of communities.
buddha0991
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I mean, I love Persona, all of it, Persona 1, Persona 2 Duology, Persona 3 FES, Persona 4 (Golden and Arena too), but I also love mainline SMT, 1 and 2 included, I wish If... was translated, and other megatens. Some people who start on Persona simply just don't want to play other megatens, while others do, different strokes for different folks.
Deified Data
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I was one of those weirdos who got introduced to the series with Digital Devil Saga. The memories...
buddha0991
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I do not comprehend.
Could you call Devil Summoner Raidou basically a new spinoff even though it shares the Devil Summoner name because of how different it is to the old ones?
My favorite Persona game! So much fun.
Raidou is in the same generation as DDS, though.
The actual dungeon layouts in SMT3 are very much in spirit with the older games. It becomes more obvious if you try first-person mode in the game. But the graphics and sound design do add a whole extra dimension.
I'd much rather have Theatrhythm SMT
buddha0991
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The Amala Labyrinth especially.
I don't even want to imagine what you'd have to break off of Mara to get a chance at his rare drops.
I think they're garbage, personally. Bad SMT games. Bad action RPGs. Unremarkable music.
buddha0991
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Ok, say what you want about the gameplay (even though 2 was a massive improvement), but unremarkable music? Say what son!?
kunonabi
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yeah, i started with persona 1 and 2 and have gravitated more towards the mainline/soul hackers/devil summoner[sat] stuff as time went on. i still love p3 and p4 but the gameplay has become so far removed and stripped down from what drew me to the series in the first place that i had to branch out. still,i don't really mind persona getting all the attention and higher end production values as long as they still make everything else and continue to localize them.
1 is bad, 2 is very, very good.
Sseklebeast
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Raidou 1 was pretty bad, IMO, but Raidou 2 is a big improvement. I still have not finished Raidou 2 though, maybe one day.
The games have pretty decent music, I agree with that.
The games have pretty decent music, I agree with that.
buddha0991
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Raidou 1 has bad gameplay good story, Raidou 2 has good gameplay mediocre story.
You can't even compare Soul Hackers and the Raidou games, different genres basically.
You can't even compare Soul Hackers and the Raidou games, different genres basically.
Soul Hackers is more traditional SMT style.
Raidou is a 'action rpg'. It kind of feels like a more stilted Kingdom Hearts/DMC.
Oh god YES.
A wheel, get your mind out of the gutter!
For me, Nocturne was my first experience with SMT anything, then was followed by persona 3. I beat persona 3, didn't get halfway through Nocturne as I love story based RPGs, not dungeon crawls. Didn't keep me from buying Strange Journey and stopping for the same reason, probably won't stop me from buying this and, again, probably stopping for the same reason.
They really aren't much alike. They both have random battles, but Raidou's play out in action-RPG form while SH's are traditional turn-based. Thematically, they are both a little lighter than most of the main series fare, though thinking about the implications of Raidou 2's plotline still makes me throw up a little. Raidou 2 and Soul Hackers (especially the 3DS version) are quality games well worth your time.
Soul Hackers is beyond a done deal. As a sega nerd I wouldn't miss the first Saturn -> 3DS port even if it were Bug
and yes I know SH came out on PS1 but the series started on Saturn!!
Sseklebeast
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Hmm. Is there anywhere I could go to spoil Raidou 2 for me? I don't see myself getting around to it due to time restraints and ,honestly, other games. It's been years since I played and forgot what happened for the most part. Last I remember I killed
Red Rider in a temple.
Tyrant Rave
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I haven't bought Raidou 1 (was expensive forever, might get it now), but 2 is great. Gameplay is really fun. I would love to see Atlus make another game in the series.
Well, speaking of Saturn ports, the 3DS version certainly doesn't hide its roots, as everything that's not 2D comes with some smeary textures and choppy framerate that admittedly put me off at first. But there's a great game under the muddy surface with a lot of charm and personality, also helped by the fact that Soul Hackers was one of the most accessible of the older games--now made more accessible.
That's not Adventure.
Loooooove the whole soundtrack. It borrows a lot of music from Raidou 1 but since I never played it and was fresh to the music, I consider it one of Meguro's best.
Also, oneida, get Raidou 2. Amazing game.
buddha0991
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Neither of those are Go Raidou!
NathanMcMahon
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This
Well, fine, then I'm going to cheat a little and go with Naomi Battle! That bonus arrangement CD that came with the Japanese version of Raidou 1 is also jamesfrancosogood.gif.
I'm hoping SMT IV makes you take a look at the older games...
TurnipFritters
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It also helps that pretty much every asset from Raidou 1 was reused in Raidou 2 (which naturally added more locations/demons/etc, on top of actually being a good game), so it's not like you'll be missing much.
buddha0991
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Hell, other than passively mentioning some Raidou 1 events, Raidou 2 almost doesn't feel like a continuation of 1 at all, storywise, despite having almost all the same characters.
TurnipFritters
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I'm pretty sure most of them were like, "HEY RAIDOU WELCOME BACK TO THE CAPITAL DO YOU REMEMBER ME? Y/N"
Good luck and godspeed.
noonespecial
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Plus you'd get a "Demon's Tear" if you hit him hard enough. Don't want to really know what that "tear" would really be for Mara though...
Deified Data
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I don't know, man. I keep wanting to replay SJ until I remember Eridanus. Then I'm all like "Nope".
Deadpandas
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But that's one of the only good maps in the game
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