NPD not counting "Mom & Pops"; Wii shipped "well above" NPD's #... says Perrin Kaplan

Gahiggidy said:
This has huge implications if true...



My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and they got in over 30k wii and sold them all minutes after opening... yet the NPD never bothers to call them. Interesting.
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cartoon_soldier said:
In that case it doesn't just stand for Wii, it also applies to PS3 and Xbox360.

If this were true, MS could be at 10.4 millions sold, and Sony at 1 millions sold and... oh, snap.
 
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Yeah, perhaps this could be a possibility. And I say this only for a motivation: I have searched about Patcher. He's one of the most respected analysts in his domaine and I found strange that he's done a mistake of 100-120%. It is possible that the Wii has been sold where a gaming system usually don't.

I repeat: if Patcher would not have said that this difference is unexplicable, I would have said:" Nintendo, stop say bullshits. This is what you sold. Nothing more. Nothing less".

And the same about PS2's Software: way too low. Sorry, but there is something wrong.
 
Nameless said:
You do know that Nintendo usually cites NPD data on their own site, right? Damn man, you should've just taken the route that other nin-fans took and just avoid all things NPD and pretend that they dont't exist.
You just live for days like this, don't you?
 
Mithos Yggdrasill said:
Yeah, perhaps this could be a possibility. And I say this only for a motivation: I have searched about Patcher. He's one of the most respected analysts in his domaine and I found strange that he's done a mistake of 100-120%. It is possible that the Wii has been sold where a gaming system usually don't.

I repeat: if Patcher would not have said that this difference is unexplicable, I would have said:" Nintendo, stop say bullshits. This is what you sold. Nothing more. Nothing less".

And the same about PS2's Software: way too low. Sorry, but there is something wrong.
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Yeah, perhaps this could be a possibility. And I say this only for a motivation: I have searched about Patcher. He's one of the most respected analysts in his domaine and I found strange that he's done a mistake of 100-120%. It is possible that the Wii has been sold where a gaming system usually don't.

I repeat: if Patcher would not have said that this difference is unexplicable, I would have said:" Nintendo, stop say bullshits. This is what you sold. Nothing more. Nothing less".

And the same about PS2's Software: way too low. Sorry, but there is something wrong.

I don't know what I'm saying. I never know what I'm saying.
 
Gahiggidy said:
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and they got in over 30k wii and sold them all minutes after opening... yet the NPD never bothers to call them. Interesting.

I'm not sure what's more funny, that the store is called "The Gamecube Hut" or that they got over 30,000 Wii's. :lol :lol
 
What i don't understnad is that the shipped number for the NA market versus what NPD says thee Wii LTD is in NA don't match up. Where are all the other consoles? Not saying Kaplin is right. Someone should find out if Nintendo puts in the the "lost" wii consoles into their finance books as sold.
 
jetjevons said:
Admitedly we aren't talking about super smash hit games here. Stuff like Enclave, Bangai-O, Record of Lodoss War, Plucky's Big Adventure, Stretch Panic, etc.

How did Bangai-O do in the US btw?

Nice list of titles to have worked on.
 
jehuty said:
What i don't understnad is that the shipped number for the NA market versus what NPD says thee Wii LTD is in NA don't match up. Where are all the other consoles? Not saying Kaplin is right. Someone should find out if Nintendo puts in the the "lost" wii consoles into their finance books as sold.

Shipped and sold isnt the same thing. With that said, there were definitely more Wiis sold than NPD has "projected" based upon "sampling", but not enough to make a massive difference. Nintendo simply didnt ship what they said they would despite the fact that every Wii going into stores is being bought up. So, these "late" numbers are Janurary's NPD story instead
 
Bebpo said:
How did Bangai-O do in the US btw?

Nice list of titles to have worked on.

Thanks. I was producer on all those games. I actually did the translation for Record of Lodoss War myself!

Bangai-O ended up doing around ~20k units if I remember correctly. We didn't release a lot of them. It's actually a collectors item.
 
Bullshit Kaplan.

As an importer I've dealt with loads of indie retailers and the story is always the same.

Nintendo never supply them with any hardware at launch. They send it ALL to the big chains, simply because they know it gets NPD tracked and it keeps their biggest resellers happy. Tronix even stopped selling consoles because they can never get them and they get treated like shit.

If anything this just cements Nintendo's failure even further because the non-tracked indies were certainly selling PS2's and 360's during December.
 
Burai said:
Bullshit Kaplan.

As an importer I've dealt with loads of indie retailers and the story is always the same.

Nintendo never supply them with any hardware at launch. They send it ALL to the big chains, simply because they know it gets NPD tracked and it keeps their biggest resellers happy. Tronix even stopped selling consoles because they can never get them and they get treated like shit.

If anything this just cements Nintendo's failure even further because the non-tracked indies were certainly selling PS2's and 360's during December.
Haven't heard that one in a while
 
Mithos Yggdrasill said:
Yeah, perhaps this could be a possibility. And I say this only for a motivation: I have searched about Patcher. He's one of the most respected analysts in his domaine and I found strange that he's done a mistake of 100-120%. It is possible that the Wii has been sold where a gaming system usually don't.

I repeat: if Patcher would not have said that this difference is unexplicable, I would have said:" Nintendo, stop say bullshits. This is what you sold. Nothing more. Nothing less".

And the same about PS2's Software: way too low. Sorry, but there is something wrong.

I have to admit, I always look forward to a Mithos Yggdrasill reply
 
sphinx said:
someone explain to us, non-US members

what's "Mom n Pops"?

Mon n Pop stores are privately held storefronts. They are the places that Nintendo shipped the other 900,000 Wiis to :lol

It seems that people who had high hopes for the Wii are having a lot of trouble coping with the data. The Walmart defense doesn't work anymore, so it necessitated the creation of the Mom N Pop defense. Classic.

"Our numbers in terms of what we have shipped is definitely well above that [NPD] number. What NPD does not account for is the product that is in transit," said Nintendo spokeswoman Perrin Kaplan, who added that the company had a "robust" year.

This makes no sense. Why would anyone expect the NPD to track systems in transit when they track sales to the customer?
 
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 30k Wii within minutes of opening.
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what an awesome tag.
 
Apparently a 2/3 sampling doesn't represent the final whole. What's new? And wouldn't everyone's numbers go up by about the same percentages? i don't see how this helps/hurts nintendo any more than anyone else. The NPD is a sampling anyways...it's never been the total definitive numbers.
 
Nintendo does ship units to mom 'n pop stores, but that's not causing any issues. There's a small store I went to called "Game Stop" ironically enough. No, it's not a real GameStop, we don't even have those in Canada. But they had 1 Wii (on hold for someone) and 5 PS3s in stock.

Anyway, 1.1 million as reported by NPD. Canada probably sold through 15% of that so another 165,000. Then there's Mexico. I'd say 1.275 million. Another 225k or so in transit = 1.5 million. And iirc, Nintendo wouldn't commit to 2 million to NA.
 
Burai said:
Bullshit Kaplan.

As an importer I've dealt with loads of indie retailers and the story is always the same.

Nintendo never supply them with any hardware at launch. They send it ALL to the big chains, simply because they know it gets NPD tracked and it keeps their biggest resellers happy. Tronix even stopped selling consoles because they can never get them and they get treated like shit.

If anything this just cements Nintendo's failure even further because the non-tracked indies were certainly selling PS2's and 360's during December.

As far as I've been told, Nintendo assigns hardware numbers corresponding to total Nintendo product overturn, software side only Nintendo made games are counted. And then at launch, bam, you have only little overturn from last year and big chains get all the hardware. Happened to my little indie store here upon European Wii launch.

Let's say he was a tad pissed since Wii sold excellent numbers. Just not for him cause he didn't get any.
 
hilarious. they sent a million wiis to places that aren't on the map...i guess Nintendo really went off the deep end with this one thinking that would be a good idea.
 
Yeah. "Mom and Pops," that makes total sense. 900,000 units. It's like, everytime I go to the Flea Market, there's all these people there hawking stacks and stacks of Wiis.

I went out to the country to do a little fishing, and the guy at the bait store tried to sell me a freakin' Wii. All I wanted was a tub of worms and a six pack of Natty Light, and this dude had to demo the waggle for me.

Forget about antiquing with the girlfriend...

Kurosaki Ichigo said:
Who wants to taste Perrin's bitter tears? :lol

Double bitter, because of all the cocaine, I'd bet.

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...at least that's what I'm guessing. Last time a woman told me a story this outrageous, she was all coked up, telling me "I only dance here to pay for college."

I'd guess she had a $300-a-day textbook habit.
 
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