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Boston: One dead, one captured, city re-opened

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JasonMCG said:
Don't forget Craft being present the day of the marathon. I love a good conspiracy, but I just don't think there is one here.
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Well when every single event in which people die is simply the result of some conspiracy (including apparently the fertilizer plant), you know its just a tabloid troll just fishing for revenue.
 
I still don't understand the details of the "shootout." It sounds like:

* Cops chased them by car to this neighborhood. At some point, the older brother gets out of the car and is gunned down in a hail of bullets, possibly throwing explosives (or blowing himself up?)

* Younger brother drives away, running over his (dead?) brother in the process

Then what happens? Did they recover that Mercedes? Where was it? Did they follow that car, or were they afraid of the explosives so were hanging back? Did older bro sacrifice himself to let his younger brother get away? Did they see the younger brother leave the vehicle at any point?

The lack of those details is frustrating, but that's they key to helping to understand why they didn't catch this kid right then and there.
 
HeySeuss said:
I don't know but I don't think they would be illegal searches even if they did refuse.

And fresh/hot pursuit are not the same. Hot pursuit is chasing the suspect and following him into a building/residence without losing sight of him.

Fresh pursuit is similar, but you don't see where he went, but know he's somewhere in the nearby area. You can't go into a building/residence without a warrant under fresh pursuit rules.

I've been a police officer 10 years. They are similar, but the rules change for each.
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Legally fresh pursuit is also referred to as hot pursuit.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/fresh+pursuit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immediate_pursuit

Immediate pursuit (also known as close, fresh, or hot pursuit)
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You may make a distinction as a matter of policy, but neither a fresh pursuit nor a hot pursuit requires a warrant.
 
Gemüsepizza;54615462 said:
On what basis would that warrant be issued? That I have a house in the same town where a terrorist operates? Not really.
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That you have a house or residence in the area of a police perimeter; where a terrorist has fled through / shot at police / dropped explosives / and entered homes.

The warrant would be issued for public safety, including your own, since one of the reasons you may be denying entry is because said terrorist is holding you or your family hostage?
 
Ace Harding said:
I hope there is that one guy in Watertown that tries to say "Hey sir, I KNOW my rights! I don't have to let you in unless..."

He wouldn't get out that sentence before somebody jacked his ass on the floor, broke his glasses, and had him in cuffs while half a dozen guys searched his entire home.

This is not the time to try to exercise your rights. What would be the purpose?
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So you believe people should be punished for exercising their rights? How are they rights if you are arrested for using them?
 
Bodacious said:
If I were a resident of Boston, I would allow LE to walk through my home in this situation. But it does seem as if, really, they don't have a fucking clue where the guy is now. He could be anywhere in Boston, anywhere in Mass. or even has fled the state by now. After this much time passed and nothing turned up, the likelihood that he's still in the original perimeter from 6am this morning is pretty slim. Considering that, here's how I saw this issue addressed by someone on another board:


Lets look at the opposite. You have a 99.99933% chance of the suspect NOT being in a house.
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It's a valid point.
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If you've got nothing to hide, why wouldn't you let them do a quick search, find nothing, and move on?

How people can actually be offended/bothered about their houses being searched in such circumstances, no matter what the maths say, is beyond me. Jesus Christ.
 
Bodacious said:
It's a valid point.
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Not really.

If you throw a dart at a dartboard, what's the odds of it hitting a specific spot on the board?

What's the odds of it hitting SOME spot on the board?

Aggregation changes probabilities. It might be "unreasonable*" for the police to search ONE house at random, but that doesn't mean it's unreasonable for the police to search ALL houses within a relevant area.


* In the sense being used in the argument, i.e, deprecated because extremely unlikely to be successful.
 
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