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Boston: One dead, one captured, city re-opened

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Seriously, mad fucking props to law enforcement. The Boston PD, the Watertown PD, the National Guard, the FBI, Homeland Security, etc. They went from bombing to arrest in under 5 days. That's fucking phenomenal work.

Most heartwarming image of the week for me was seeing the cops pulling out and people lining the streets and celebrating the cops like the heroes they are. High fives, hand shakes, hugs, applause. tears. Restored some faith in humanity for me.
 
Konka said:
Meanwhile, in LA.

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What was that?
 
In the aftermath of horrible tragedies like Newtown, the government desperately wants to do something--even if that something is the wrong thing. There seems to be this notion, at least among liberals, that more laws will protect us--but as we all witnessed in Boston, that isn't necessarily the case. The government can't make us safer until it recognizes that the problem isn't the instruments of violence--but the environment of it. […]

If Congress wants to stop these tragedies, then it has to address the government's own hostility to the institution of the family and organizations that can address the real problem: the human heart. As I've said before, America doesn't need gun control, it needs self-control. And a Congress that actively discourages it--through abortion, family breakdown, sexual liberalism, or religious hostility--is only compounding the problem. -Tony Perkins. Family Research Council
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/...-liberalism-for-Newtown-Boston-murders-Really

Didn't take long for someone to blame things on abortions and homosexuals.
 
I H8 Memes said:
There are images of them planting the bombs. The FBI thought it would be wiser to release other images of them asking for help in identifying these 2 guys rather than flat out proof that they were the bombers. Not only does this allow them to keep that evidence for the trial but also releasing definitive proof to the public of the guys planting the bombs would make it more likely that a person or group of people might try to kill the guys on sight instead of calling the police.
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I can assure you with the utmost certainty, that was never a thought process of the FBI. If they were afraid of vigilantism they wouldn't have released the suspects' photographs at all.
 
I remember someone mentioning that the Public Safety Exception could expire after 48 hours, but the Huffington Post article I read made it sound like they're not going to read him the Miranda Rights at all. Am I incorrect here? Do they still have to read them to him eventually?

My initial interpretation of the public safety exception was that they could place him under arrest without reading him his rights and get him outta there ASAP if they thought the area they were arresting the dude in was dangerous (potential bombs and stuff). I'm very ignorant as to how this stuff actually works though, and after reading a bit, that doesn't sound like it's the case at all.

I guess what I don't understand is, did they think they might not be able to get what they need out of him if they read him his Miranda Rights? I'm not looking to start a "should he or should he not have been read the Miranda Rights" argument. Just trying to understand why they didn't.

Ignore if this has been discussed to death already.
 
CcrooK said:
Ya know thinking on the whole car shooting, suspect #2 got away with probably no gunshot wounds at all. Must of been -the- luckiest man alive. His gunshot wounds most likely happened at the time of the second shooting with the curfew was lifted.

But man, wherever the hell he was hiding was good enough for the search to miss out on him. Guy could of just stayed there for a day then walked on out in the middle of the night.
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He was wounded before he got in the boat. The dude who found him checked the boat because he noticed blood in the yard and on the tarp.
 
Does anyone know if there's a complete archive of the Boston scanner during the manhunt? Some of that stuff was so incredible, I'd love to listen back to it. I don't know... set it to some ambient music or something. I hope that doesn't come across as morbid -- I really don't mean it that way. Following the whole thing over the scanner was just an incredible experience that I'd like the chance to hold on to.

I've Googled the term "Boston manhunt scanner archive," but haven't come across anything on the first few pages.
 
The Wanderer said:
Did innocents die?
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The city has agreed to give $40,000 to two women whose pickup was shot up by a Police Department protection detail that mistook their newspaper delivery vehicle for the truck driven by rogue ex-cop Christopher Dorner during his rampage, officials announced Thursday.

The tax-free settlement covering the pickup and other property came quickly after the women's attorney, Glen Jonas, rejected Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck's offer of a replacement truck because the women would have had to pay taxes. The deal specified no admission of liability.

Margie Carranza and her 71-year-old mother, Emma Hernandez, were delivering papers around 5 a.m. Feb. 7 when LAPD officers guarding the suburban Torrance home of a Dorner target blasted at least 100 rounds into their Toyota pickup. Hernandez was shot in the back and Carranza had minor injuries.

Jonas said the women were still not doing well.

"Margie's still very emotionally impacted and Emma is suffering from her injuries," Jonas said.

Jonas, who noted he has waived all his fees, said he hoped that all other issues including personal injury can be resolved without the need to file a lawsuit or have a trial.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/1...hot-up-by-lapd-officers-during/#ixzz2R3SOOkiw
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Injured psychically and emotionally.
 
Tomat said:
I remember someone mentioning that the Public Safety Exception could expire after 48 hours, but the Huffington Post article I read made it sound like they're not going to read him the Miranda Rights at all. Am I incorrect here? Do they still have to read them to him eventually?

My initial interpretation of the public safety exception was that they could place him under arrest without reading him his rights and get him outta there ASAP if they thought the area they were arresting the dude in was dangerous (potential bombs and stuff). I'm very ignorant as to how this stuff actually works though, and after reading a bit, that doesn't sound like it's the case at all.
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You are under no obligation to read the Miranda statement at all. Consider the history of the Miranda statement -- (Ernesto) Miranda was an individual arrested for kidnapping and rape who confessed to the rape without being told he could consult with an attorney or told about the right to silence. At court, his lawyer objected to the confession, the objection was overruled, Miranda was convicted. On appeal to the Supreme Court, the court threw out the confession. On retrial Miranda was convicted using, you know, actual evidence.

Police, responding to the Supreme Court decision, came up with a standardized set of statements to read to arrested suspects. The statement is typically read as soon as possible so that if suspects do spontaneously make a statement after arrest, that statement will be admissible.

There is no legal obligation to read the Miranda statement, or any other statement about his rights to him. The important thing is going to be that if they choose not to, and he is interrogated, and confesses to anything, that information might not be admissible in court. If they're not concerned with court admissibility, it doesn't matter to begin with.

Separate from the Miranda statement, he also has other legal rights--the right to a speedy trial under the 6th amendment, for example; the right to a lawyer under the sixth amendment; habeus corpus (which comes from Article one) which would allow him to challenge the fact of being imprisoned;
 
Stumpokapow said:
You are under no obligation to read the Miranda statement at all. Consider the history of the Miranda statement -- (Ernesto) Miranda was an individual arrested for kidnapping and rape who confessed to the rape without being told he could consult with an attorney or told about the right to silence. At court, his lawyer objected to the confession, the objection was overruled, Miranda was convicted. On appeal to the Supreme Court, the court threw out the confession. On retrial Miranda was convicted using, you know, actual evidence.

Police, responding to the Supreme Court decision, came up with a standardized set of statements to read to arrested suspects. The statement is typically read as soon as possible so that if suspects do spontaneously make a statement after arrest, that statement will be admissible.

There is no legal obligation to read the Miranda statement, or any other statement about his rights to him. The important thing is going to be that if they choose not to, and he is interrogated, and confesses to anything, that information might not be admissible in court. If they're not concerned with court admissibility, it doesn't matter to begin with.

Separate from the Miranda statement, he also has other legal rights--the right to a speedy trial under the 6th amendment, for example; the right to a lawyer under the sixth amendment; habeus corpus (which comes from Article one) which would allow him to challenge the fact of being imprisoned;
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Gotcha. Thanks for that.
 
There is a lot of chatter that the brothers were hired by CIA to infiltrate terror cells in the US, then went rogue. Maybe he is on to that angle.
 
INDIGO_CYCLOPS said:
Is this significant or just procedure?
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Well, since it's for the home coming (quick glance at Boston PD confirmed this,) it's procedure. It would probably be procedure if he were to be moved anywhere too, it's significance would be in the showing of the police force which puts into perspective just how much damage him and his brother caused.
 
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