i don't even know if you're joking. you can't be serious with this.
Nintendo ditches main E3 conference, still there with games, press events, N-Direct
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i don't even know if you're joking. you can't be serious with this.
I like how you didn't bother replying to anyone else that's actually contributing to the argument.
And you're probably the one that could care less?
Damn! I'm not happy with Microsoft right now, but confusing them with Nintendo is ice cold. My apologies, MS.
Furthermore, it might suggest they feel they don't have a lot of blockbuster propositions for the US market in general that couldn't as easily be covered by an article on IGN after an embargo drops.
If their primary line-up is Mario 3D, Smash, and Mario Kart, they can just show those off whenever they feel like one at a time, or set up the embargoes so each one has one day during the week.
Anything smaller they might feel the audience that watches Nintendo Direct (or sees the videos afterwards) is sufficient to cover most of their base.
Realistically how many people are going to buy something like The Wonderful 101 or Bayonetta 2, especially among those who wouldn't be able to find media on the game regardless of where it showed up.
You don't understand: facts hurts, so it's better to move goalposts to the craziest!
Reaaaally?
Zen_Arcade
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Then people should stop replying to you because your opinions are so uneducated and ridiculous that no one should be taking you seriously in the first place.
Nintendo do have ammo though, the directs absolutely proves that. The games just isn't here.
You're presuming that the most effective way to make announcements at E3 is the traditional "big" press conference. Until we see what Nintendo does and how they execute it we won't know whether it's better or worse.
Why did Transformers make more money than Memento?
Why did Justin Bieber's latest album outsell [your_favorite_band]?
Sales and popularity are not indicative of quality, quite the contrary in many cases, especially in entertainment
CaptainZombie
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This is a total bummer because the competition between all three to put on a great conference is now down to just Sony and MSFT. At times both have put on stinkers at the same years conference. I guess times are changing and if Nintendo Directs are their new thing which they unveil new games every few months its not a bad thing.
Dave Meltzer
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Various Artists
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I can't look up all the data right now, however, I would wager that the Smash Bros games fall into the "Nintendo Slow Burn" Category. They will show up on the sales charts frequently and most people buying a Wii will pick they game up but its not the reason they are buying the Wii. I don't think that we will see a massive amount of consoles sold because it came out. I understand that people like it and will pick it up myself. I just think that as a game people are over estimating its system selling power.
That's fine and dandy, but the argument is that Smash Bros. is "niche" (lol).
Smash is quality. Also Its a AAA game in every sense of the word.
Why are you here?
The original statement claimed that Smash Bros. is a niche game. The sales numbers for the series prove that it isn't. There's literally nothing to discuss more on that subject, rendering the original statement as a complete falsehood that was entirely removed from reality.
I H8 Memes
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What are you trying to show me here? Those Wii U numbers are even worse than I imagined.
SSB Brawl sold 2.7 millions in its first month. In March, not in November / December. Slow burn indeed XD
I'm ok with this.
Nintendo will still be at E3, we will have several Nintendo directs that will make people pay attention to the eshop (you know a better way to promote a service?) and the press will still have their room at the E3 floor.
For anyone worried that we won't have hype threads and things to joke about Nintendo at this year E3, I sugest you take a look at some of threads that get created here at neogaf after a Nintendo direct to have an idea of what will happen.
Nintendo will still be at E3, we will have several Nintendo directs that will make people pay attention to the eshop (you know a better way to promote a service?) and the press will still have their room at the E3 floor.
For anyone worried that we won't have hype threads and things to joke about Nintendo at this year E3, I sugest you take a look at some of threads that get created here at neogaf after a Nintendo direct to have an idea of what will happen.
Alexios
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How did you find Wii U numbers by ctrl+f Nintendo? That should show you an example of their across the board bombing published games for which statement you didn't specify a specific platform (nor is E3 about one).
Various Artists
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I remember seeing that clip *so* many times between games on 1vs100. I was word-perfect on it for a while, dunno if I can still remember it preceisely. "The game... is good. The graphics... are very good"
don't let him bring you down. he's just joking.
pretty sure its one of nintendo's fastest selling titles
So you know why the u is doing shitty then right now? Why make it seem as if you're surprised?
lwilliams3
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They are not what? We don't even have any details on how Nintendo is going to spread the information. Also I believe you are seriously underestimating things like N-directs can reach the mass media, but even then It sounds like they are going to do more than use N-directs during E3.
flintstryker
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When I first read the title this is honestly what I got from it by keeping separate conferences for separate segments they'll be able to keep things focused and as of such gamers won't have to suffer through sales charts and the likes which are more for retailers etc. I guess I shouldn't be too shocked at the general reaction in here though since the internet tends to overreact at the slightest hint of the unknown.
MisterHero
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You could at least attempt to disect the given examples (Smash compared to other fighters) before throwing that argument out there.
"Super Mario Bros. games sell well but that isn't indicative of their quality." That sentence by itself makes a ton of assumptions that probably aren't true.
People love Smash for its recognizable characters, but it's not so different from Marvel vs Capcom 3, Street Fighter IV (because III's cast is arguably what hurt the game most), and Mortal Kombat 2009's cast including everyone from 1-3.
Fighting fans might enjoy Capcom's VS. series because they're flashier and have a simpler interface than regular-ass Street Fighter.
Their appeal works on the same principles, so I don't know why Smash is being excluded from the same categorization.
They are however a metric to judge by if something is niche or not, which was the argument to begin with.
NeonZ
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We've seen Smash selling 7 millions on the GameCube though. Its popularity has no connection with the extra audience Nintendo had with the Wii.
thecouncil
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but, if pre-recorded focused conferences are for gamers, theyd likely leave out the Kinectimals demo and we would never even have SEEN that gif. haha.
though rehearsed, a live stage show is so bloated in time that it allows for the potential of MORE awkward or embarrassing moments that we can carry with us forever.
I H8 Memes
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Oh please. You know nobody in this thread is talking about the 3ds. We are talking about a failing home console that needs a huge E3 to have any chance of recovering. And the only reason Nintendo isnt even going to hold a conference now is because they dont have the software to justify the conference they need to bail out the Wii U.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
We're talking about E3. If you want to discuss something more specific, be more specific, not with generalized statements like "across the board".
It's already been pointed out that the known (yet still unseen or very briefly seen) software alone is plenty enough for a conference not unlike previous conferences from any first party. They've had much worse.
That fact alone points to this being a mere change of methodology in how they serve content, as announced, with anything else being mere assumption rather than an implication of currently known facts.
Of course it could turn out to be the case, but at this point it's still an assumption based on nothing but 100% unwarranted speculation. For what purpose is anyone's guess. No good for sure.
Bony Manifesto
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I think it's niche compared to a lot of other Nintendo games, which appeal to practically everybody. But I agree it's hard to downplay the Smash Brothers series when it's so precision-engineered to cater to Nintendo fans, and can sell so many millions based solely on that.
SniperHunter
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Thing with E3 conference is that a lot of people are watching it. At home, in the crowd, discussing the games on message board etc. When you have a fragmented show as Nintendo is planning, some titles might get lost in the crowd
Zen_Arcade
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Oh I know, that's why I was saying people should stop responding to him with serious answers.
Oh my....
Dave Meltzer
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Maybe they shouldn't plan a fragmented show then.
Problem is, they don't have the content to excel with any audience.
Phoenician_Viking
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Yeah, The WiiU has so much third party support that one conference can´t cover them all. It´s not like Nintendo is trying to sell the WiiU or anything. Or at least show the WiiU against the competition. I mean seriously, who the hell attends E3 besides plenty of media including main stream international media? Of course not showing the WiiU in a live conference is the best way to market it. Let´s call it phantom marketing and watch the WiiU sell by the truck loads directly after E3.
Nintendo is probably dumbfounded by the negative online reactions their conferences receive every year. They may have asked themselves whether the conferences actually help them and whether or not there is a better way to do things.
I'll miss their conference, but I can't say I've left any of their recent ones with positive impressions.
I'll miss their conference, but I can't say I've left any of their recent ones with positive impressions.
We were talking niche fighter here, since it's Nintendo's only fighter, it be default isn't niche for Nintendo fighters standard either.
Ouch.
This isn't some doom and gloom post.
But, No Nintendo on an E3 stage is literally 'throw-in-the towel' bad.
Going behind the scenes or Nintendo direct route is honestly like phoning it in.
The return of Mario on the E3 stage was supposed to be glorious.
Sign of the times
This isn't some doom and gloom post.
But, No Nintendo on an E3 stage is literally 'throw-in-the towel' bad.
Going behind the scenes or Nintendo direct route is honestly like phoning it in.
The return of Mario on the E3 stage was supposed to be glorious.
Sign of the times
SSB is the complete opposite of niche in pretty much every possible way.
Smash Bros. is a nice title that can generate good sales, no doubt about this.
It's going to excite the Nintendo brand loyalist but its effect beyond the usual Nintendo demographic will be very limited.
Nintendo's problem with the Wii U is that they're moving towards a glorified niche, they are basically becoming irrelevant to almost anyone who isn't a Nintendo brand loyalist.
Smash Bros. won't help them change that.
It's going to excite the Nintendo brand loyalist but its effect beyond the usual Nintendo demographic will be very limited.
Nintendo's problem with the Wii U is that they're moving towards a glorified niche, they are basically becoming irrelevant to almost anyone who isn't a Nintendo brand loyalist.
Smash Bros. won't help them change that.
Dave Meltzer
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This is a big reason. Like I said, they hate being compared to other companies directly because they always lose.
SniperHunter
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just read the op, seems like they are planning press events. I don't think this is a good idea at all, Nintendo has so much to show this year. Wind Waker HD, Xenoblade 2, Zelda Wii U, Mario Wii U, Smash Bros, Bayonetta 2, Wonderful 101, Retro IP, 3DS games and more. They should have booked a conference for sure IMO....
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