What a strange thing to say now, what if they both turn out to be shit?
Thurott: $299 version of Xbox v.Next will come with a $15/mo XBLG sub, not $10
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THis is what I was thinking.
It's going to be a disaster. Lot of low information consumers out there.
Yes and you'll face the same consequences of failing to pay on any other contract: a hit to your credit rating and your account sent to a collection agency.
Sure you could.
Your live account will be freezed, and MS will go through the proper channels to get the money one way or another.
How does that work with phone companies in the US? Will probably work the same.
Alligatorjandro
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I'd rather pay $4-$500 up front and decide if I want Live than to buy a subscription model.
That is a big what if...not just gor those two but any company flagship titles.
I don't want to have to pay MS $15/mo like it's a damn bill. If I was getting one, it would be full price but depending on what they are asking and what it includes, that will be the true test.
SlipperyFishes
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You're not seeing the bigger picture. They're undercutting themselves to get you into their ecosystem where they'll bleed you dry.
I remember a few years back I wanted to get out of a contract with T-moblie. Didn't like the service, my plan or what I was getting for my money and opted out.
$300 "early termination fee" No ifs, ands, or buts. You don't pay they send you to collections.
I see tons of gamers ruining their credit score on the next xbox. Maybe it's just my pessimistic view but I feel like anything that can go wrong will go wrong. As I said, this is going to be a disaster.
$300 "early termination fee" No ifs, ands, or buts. You don't pay they send you to collections.
I see tons of gamers ruining their credit score on the next xbox. Maybe it's just my pessimistic view but I feel like anything that can go wrong will go wrong. As I said, this is going to be a disaster.
That makes a whole bunch of sense.
Vane_MagicCity
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You need to be online to play games so Microsoft will shut it down until you pay. You won't be able to sell it either.
Just a guess.
THE:MILKMAN
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Good question. Defaulting on subscriptions with cable companies here in the UK (Sky/Virgin Media) used to be really bad. Now they will cut you off and not let yet back on.
It is shocking how many people don't or can't afford to ensure they have enough in the bank to cover their Direct Debits....
It could potential be a right mess here in the UK if the subsidised model is the most attractive proposition.
They'll just cut off your system and put a black mark on your credit rating. Not a great idea.
threetri333
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Despite the higher price from the 2 year commitment, I expect the Next Xbox to sell out. The lower initial price is eye candy to most consumers.
What a strange question to ask. In this day and age, you don't need to actually play games to judge their quality. Most gamers can be convinced a game is going to blow them away by a preview and a trailer, or in this case, just be a sequel.
Houses and cars cost more than people can usually pay in one lump sum- and it's not like no one's ever accused bank loans of being exploitive.
And I never said it wasn't "smart" if Microsoft to do this. It was also "smart" of game publishers to start nickel-and-diming consumers with DLC everywhere; that doesn't mean I have to be happy about the direction of the industry.
Gaming learned from mobile.
Basically, Americans are stupid when it comes to money.
The majority of consumers would rather pay MORE in the long run (and less up front) rather than pay LESS in the long run (and more up front).
TCO is not a thing for the mass consumer.
This also explains why the majority of consumers carry a balance on their credit card and pay interest.
NOW NOW NOW wins out over spending smartly.
Is the currently subsidized 360 a disaster?
Can't wait for the backlash from those who try to get out of the contract and have their cards/accounts charged these huge fees. Make no mistake, this will happen under such a model.
mysteriousmage09
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$15 a month to play games online. Jesus Christ Microsoft.
Rockandrollclown
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Undoubtedly plenty of people will either try and get clever and inadvertantly commit credit fraud, or they will screw up their credit. Having had a WoW subscription for many years and hell an XBL subscription since its inception, this just doesn't seem that worrying to me.
maabus1999
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Ha. Funny that you say that as I'm not sure they'll tax the monthly "live" fee. So if you have a 6% sales tax, you pay $18 for the 299 model and $30 for the 499. That closes the gap a little bit between the two.
That's a good point, I admit.
I guess I just see the the shiny new console as a short of Trojan Horse in a way that the old console (the 360) isn't as it's been out for a while.
I don't see how offering more options is a bad thing. Guess we'll just disagree on that.
BRocknRolla
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Agreed. The only way I can see this making sense is if they offer some other kind of value-add services on top of your typical access to multiplayer and other apps.
The only world in which this makes sense is a world where Sony charges $599 for their system up front (Which I find very hard to believe given the pervious negative press at that level), or if Sony removes multiplayer, Netflix, and all the other servies it currently offers without charge and starts charging for them using PS+. That's the only way those prices sound competitive, so I'm inclined to believe this won't be the case.
However, I guess there is always a sizable portion of the market that will just accept it without really thinking about the money involved.
Do you understand what we're discussing?
Vane_MagicCity
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You mean an extra $1.67 per month for 24 months is exploitation?
I really don't want to be defending Microsoft here but this is just ridiculous.
LittleJohnny
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Just like most people do with their credit cards.... minus the ridiculous finance charges ;-)
Mass Effect
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Because there is no way that MS would raise the price of the unsubsidized cost to $180 a year. That would be a total rip-off for those that don't do the sub version. Of course they might raise the price to like $70-80. Plus they might do away with the Live cards, meaning no more discounts.
Where do you keep getting this $40 number? Please show me where I can get a year of Live for $40. No seriously, if I can get it for $40 that'd be great since my sub just ran out.
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Penguins&PolarBears
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The brilliance of this is no need to create 2 SKUs and manage inventory, production, storage. You get the benefit of 2 SKU price points, without the headaches.
Vane_MagicCity
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Once I rented to own a Philips CD-I, it was way back in the early 90's. I returned it after a month or two, is that an option here?
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Punkster_NY
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That's ridiculously expensive but will users pony up the cash? If Sony comes in at a price point of $450 or lower they'll be sittin' pretty.
It's $15 a month for two years. It's not paying just for Live, but also for the decreased up-front price. This rumor says nothing about the normal price of Live changing.
mysteriousmage09
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Yes and it's stupid as hell. Contracts for owning a fucking console and a price increase, again, to Xbox LIVE. Quite clear MS is going for the smoke and mirrors approach trying to fool everyone into thinking they are getting a great deal when they're not. It will likely, sadly, do quite well due to many not being able to comprehend what the hell the deal is right away and will be blinded by a $299 price tag while ignoring the small text for the 2 year contract.
Sounds like a rip off. Two years of Gold from retail sales is approximately $60. They are asking you to pay $160 if you deduct the $200 savings from the console.
So... I could have no contractual obligation and save $100... hmm such a tough decision. I guess for people who live paycheck to paycheck, this makes sense, but really should you be buying the cutting edge console if you are in that position?
Sad thing is lots of people will probably fall for this just like most people fall for subsidized phones.
So... I could have no contractual obligation and save $100... hmm such a tough decision. I guess for people who live paycheck to paycheck, this makes sense, but really should you be buying the cutting edge console if you are in that position?
Sad thing is lots of people will probably fall for this just like most people fall for subsidized phones.
Imagine the chaos of a subscription based console that you pay 15 dollars a month for(sign a contract) and has launch hardware issues like rrod, ylod, unreadable discs and horribly slow servers etc. I hope they are making user experience 100x more reliable than past console launches.
Or else the shitstorm of the gaming century where all the internet shithawks go on the shitprowl.
The shit typhoon is coming.
Or else the shitstorm of the gaming century where all the internet shithawks go on the shitprowl.
The shit typhoon is coming.
many places
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The Wii U might actually have hope now. If people see the colossal fuckup of the NextXbox they might get a PS4 and a WiiU instead of PS4 and NextXbox.
Just like they don't understand why they're getting a cell phone at half the price with a two-year contract?
How does this make any fucking sense? The unchecked hatred in these threads is ridiculous and illogical.
glimmerman
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I wonder how the wave of first-adopters will feel after taking this deal and MS announces a price cut within the first two years... while they are still in contract.
MS better have an amazing content strategy for this to work.
MS better have an amazing content strategy for this to work.
You can get current live for much less than 60. That should be accounted for.
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