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That's the feeling I'm getting. Basically relying on the honesty and good will of the rapists to get a rape conviction. How many times has someone been convicted of rape by sharia courts? Like, once or twice since its conception?
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Australian woman raped in UAE, then jailed for 8 months for reporting it
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That's the feeling I'm getting. Basically relying on the honesty and good will of the rapists to get a rape conviction. How many times has someone been convicted of rape by sharia courts? Like, once or twice since its conception?
GoddyofAus
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A religion where extreme sexism and misogyny are two of its prevailing themes has a rigged set of laws that practically permit rape. Who would've thought.
Zoramon089
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I'm not sure most people research "What to do in case of rape" when preparing for a trip to a foreign country...the fact that you're suggesting people should even have to says enough about the country and its laws
SniperHunter
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what a messed up country....feel bad for the woman
Maybe she researched drinking laws but forgot to research rape laws. I always take a few minutes to look at what happens if I get raped on the trip but sometimes you forget I guess.
It is almost like you are saying it is her fault for not knowing that the UAE is a fucked up place for women.
ThisWreckage
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Her government didn't do a fucking thing for her when she called. I'd argue that they turned their back on her. She was definitely neglected.
Yeah. A few taxi drivers I talked to there said they regret going there due to the high cost of living.
They should if they are traveling to a predominantly muslim country.
GoddyofAus
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Of course, we don't want to piss off the UAE and their rich Royal Families, lest we miss out on all that juicy Oil.
As soon as she realized what happened to her, she should have went straight to the Embassy and stayed there. The putrid, depraved nature of the UAE should be common knowledge by now. Dubai is too much like Mos Eisley to be considered ironic:
"You will never find a bigger hive of scum and villainy".
fabricated backlash
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Well it's easy really. A woman isn't a person under such law. It's a property, an item, nothing more. As such a woman can't act as a legal entity herself. Kinda like a dog or a pig or any other animal you'd have in your household.
Is there any other country in the world where a woman could go to jail for being raped?
Its so mind boggling, it almost defies belief.
Haha good one.
Its so mind boggling, it almost defies belief.
Haha good one.
frankie_baby
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austrailia hasn't institued a tourism ban and sanctations against the uae why?
UnblessedSoul
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Sharia law needs to be banned
I think any prudent person should research local laws of muslim countries. I believe the horrors of sharia law are common enough knowledge to be careful. This is a horrible tragedy to befall anyone but still legal according to local law.
Someone should have sent a team to Guantanamo Bay and bust the innocents out.
Why? its better if they just inform people of the dangers and let them decide.
Deified Data
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No, I get that, women are dirt, etc, etc. I just don't get who the sharia courts think these men are. They're not even slightly disturbed that they were there for the rape and yet are presenting themselves as legal witnesses? Maybe "witness" has a different definition in sharia context.
At least it's not a law problem since Guatanamo is illegal, oops!
"Technically", she didn't go to jail for being raped, but for failing to prove that she has been raped. She went to prison for having sex outside of mariage.
But even so, I really want to have more details. Can't they DNA-prove that something went wrong with her??
ThisWreckage
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Seriously, if you're a foreign woman and you have to go to any of these countries on a business trip then make sure you are surrounded by people you know. Even that may not help you in certain cases. And I have no idea why foreign women would want to come and work there. There are plenty of other countries that will have you and their laws don't protect rapists and blame the victim.
Big Baybee
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So basically rape is legal there? Geez
They don't even blame the victim. They don't even stigmatize the victim. They imprison and sometimes even kill the victim on charges of adultery or sex outside of marriage.
TemplaerDude
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I don't understand how anyone can think this is okay.
She wasn't there on a business trip. She was working in the hotel where the rape occurred.
The UAE is a country of migrant works, including lots of westerners from Australia, England, Germany, etc who do the white collar jobs. If the UAE government wants this to continue they need to clamp down on shit like this. This scares people away from the country.
The UAE is a country of migrant works, including lots of westerners from Australia, England, Germany, etc who do the white collar jobs. If the UAE government wants this to continue they need to clamp down on shit like this. This scares people away from the country.
Last Visible Dog
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It really isn't so long ago that ...
"Recy Taylor is an African American woman from Abbeville in Henry County, Alabama. On September 3, 1944, she was kidnapped while leaving church and brutally gang raped by six white men. Even though the men admitted the rape to authorities, two grand juries subsequently declined to indict the men, meaning no charges were ever brought against Taylor's six assailants"
"Cordella Stevenson Raped and Lynched
Wednesday, December 8, 1915 Cordella Stevenson was hung from the limb of a tree without any clothing about fifty yards north of the Mobile and Ohio Railroad outside Columbus, Mississippi. The gruesomely horrific scene was witnessed by thousands and thousands of passengers who traveled in and out of the city the next morning.
She was hung there by a bloodthirsty mob who had taken her from slumber, husband and home to the spot where she was raped and lynched. All this was done after she had been brought to the police station for questioning in connection with the arson of Gabe Franks barn. Her son had been suspected of the fire. The police released her after she convinced them her son had left home several months prior and she did not know his whereabouts.
After going to bed early, a knock was heard at the door. Her husband, Arch Stevenson went to answer, but the door was broken down first and his wife was seized. He was threatened with rifle barrels to his head should he move.
The body was left hanging until Friday morning. An inquest returned a verdict of 'death at the hands of persons unknown.'"
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I'm watching the actual tv report and I think her Australian lawyer don't get the 4 witness rule (which is for adultery and not rape) and I have even more sympathy for that poor victim
I don't understand the purpose of this post.
andthebeatgoeson
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Can the thread clarify what they are talking about? The link I'm the op says she was working at the hotel, was at a staff pay off the hotel, had a drink, which was spiked, then raped. No matter what she decided before hand, she could game never anticipated getting raped at work. Hell, we can have a whole conversation about who anticipates rape but this has nothing to do with her decision on going to it uae and everything to do with her jerk co-workers.
I don't know how any western woman could willingly go work in a country like this.
It has everything to do with being imprisoned for reporting the rape. She was convicted of a crime in the UAE.
Angelus Errare
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He's saying it wasn't that long ago that America's laws towards women and minorities weren't dissimilar to Sharia law...and he's right. If it wasn't for the fact the US government isn't controlled by religion/religious institutes we'd probably wouldn't be that much better off. Buuuut since this isn't Fringe and we don't live in some alternate universe I think bringing it up in this thread is pointless.
I like the idea of putting the entire country on "ignore." Dry up the tourist dollars and anything else outsiders are pouring in, and see how long it is before changes are made.
I lived in the UAE for six months. Places like Abu Dhabi and Dubai are pretty cool. Rich, modern, expanding cities with lots of opportunity (though they've taken a big hit post-GFC). There's normally two sets of rules, one of the local emirates and another for westerners. As as westerner, provided you leave the western pleasures in designated areas like hotels then you'll be fine.
Last Visible Dog
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Perspective ... that it used to happen (almost certainly more frequently than would like to think about) in the west.
Women are victimised here and then get blamed for it all the time. Our law often compounds that. Islam, especially the Wahhabi/Salafi movements treat women abominably, but using one extreme case to tar all of Islam is wrong.
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Not even necessary. All the Australian government had to do was make a couple Emirates flights turn around and go back to Dubai and she would have been released post haste. The AU government clearly didn't care.
Rape culture is definitely a thing that still exists in the US and other countries and lead to rapists getting off easy in most cases and leads to rape victims not coming forward to the authorities.
Pretty much the only difference is the fact that you can be jailed for sex outside marriage and the witness thing.
SquiddyCracker
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Yeah, this is why I don't wish to travel to countries like UAE and Dubai (or pretty much any predominantly muslim, and extremist, nation).
If they're going to focus on tourism and business as a main source of income for when their oil inevitably becomes useless, then I'm not going to help them out for as long as they're a backward-ass patriarchal and misogynist nation.
Fuck them, it will be interesting to see that entire nation crash and burn once no one wants their oil.
If they're going to focus on tourism and business as a main source of income for when their oil inevitably becomes useless, then I'm not going to help them out for as long as they're a backward-ass patriarchal and misogynist nation.
Fuck them, it will be interesting to see that entire nation crash and burn once no one wants their oil.
fabricated backlash
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Well technically raping a woman in this case is pretty much the same thing as kicking a dog or pushing over an antique vase. She isn't capable of speaking for herself as she's not a person. And yes, in many tribal/religious inspired law systems a witness can only be a men, as women aren't granted a legal status, without belonging to a social construct. (wife, daughter, sister) It's not limited to sharia laws. It was common place in most religious law systems throughout history. It still is in some, but is mostly overruled by state laws.
Separation of religion and state is probably one of the most important innovations of the last millennium in terms of social advancements.
Hell it wasn't that long ago, that women were granted the right to vote on their own, as an independent legal entity. Many of todays gender stereotypes are still coming from that era, where a women without normed social ties to a male is viewed as morally problematic. Widows for example, or prostitutes. The old virgin is also seen as an anomaly by many still.
Rocket Scientist
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http://en.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1e6kvm/uae_rape_victim_jailed/c9xa9na
All I can find about four witnesses is for adultery.
Of course, Dubai is still fucked up and I'm guessing she was jailed because she admitted to ''adultery'' and the guys got off because they didn't admit anything. Fucked up.
Pled not guilty and no mention of four witnesses, jailed.
Guess they watch CSI over there too.
All I can find about four witnesses is for adultery.
Of course, Dubai is still fucked up and I'm guessing she was jailed because she admitted to ''adultery'' and the guys got off because they didn't admit anything. Fucked up.
Yes it's going to be wonderful to see millions suffer because of backwards religious leaders, dictators and help from Western imperialists keeping them dumb. It's their own fault.
Phat Michael
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Yes because everyone living here hates women and is a rapist. don't be stupid with this shit.
The four male adult witness thing in her case is nonsense.
For Western expats in cases like this, the legal system in Dubai is not set and determined by Sharia law as the rest of the UAE is. There is no precedent system in the UAE legal system and alot of the old laws that are in the Codes here are not generally followed so judges work on a case by case basis. For this case, the courts here and government will work in line with the embassy for the people involved (behind the scenes) and is advised and directed by the Ruler's Court on how to handle it as this would be considered a sensitive matter diplomatically and publicity wise for the emirate. The government tries extremely hard so that the expat is not to be judged by laws that are too vague and foreign for them because they don't want to drive them away. Also an expat she would not get 8 months in prison for sex outside marriage, nor would she get thrown in prison for reporting being raped. There's a lot in these cases that the media is not privy to and relies on the word of the parties involved with no official statement.
For Western expats in cases like this, the legal system in Dubai is not set and determined by Sharia law as the rest of the UAE is. There is no precedent system in the UAE legal system and alot of the old laws that are in the Codes here are not generally followed so judges work on a case by case basis. For this case, the courts here and government will work in line with the embassy for the people involved (behind the scenes) and is advised and directed by the Ruler's Court on how to handle it as this would be considered a sensitive matter diplomatically and publicity wise for the emirate. The government tries extremely hard so that the expat is not to be judged by laws that are too vague and foreign for them because they don't want to drive them away. Also an expat she would not get 8 months in prison for sex outside marriage, nor would she get thrown in prison for reporting being raped. There's a lot in these cases that the media is not privy to and relies on the word of the parties involved with no official statement.
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I fail to see the relevance of this post. Aside from that, I'd argue that really is a long time ago.
That's not what he said. Don't be stupid with that shit.
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