TheJollyCorner
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wasn't there supposed to be some Sony game reveal yesterday?
Panopticon or something?
Did it get buried under the XBone chaos?
Panopticon or something?
Did it get buried under the XBone chaos?
Sony E3 press conference; June 10th 6PM PT/9PM ET
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AgentChris
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Panopticon aka Freedom Wars.
Samir Sedlar
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Thing is Used Games are allowed on Xbox One as well, but you kinda have to pay to access them, more down.
Yes, I am aware of that and I was totally excited, till the Xbox One that is.
Let's look at it this way, Sony makes Uncharted 4, you sell it, someone else gets it, and plays it no problem, but a 3rd party publisher doesn't want that, so they include a Serial Key with the game -much like Online Pass for MP- you buy the game and redeem the key to play the game, then once you are done, you sell it, someone buys it, but when he tries to play he can't, or can play for a short time session, he needs to buy a new Serial Key from the PSN. (and that money goes to the publisher)
This is my fear, that publisher may control how this works, especially since Sony said regarding Always Online that it is up to the developer (if I recall correctly that is), so if they leave this matter to the publishers, I see every last one of them jumping on it, just like how they jumped on the whole online pass, but this time they are crippling the whole game in the process.
SniperHunter
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Kaz won't be at e3. He is a busy man now that he runs Sony, no time for games! He has to turn that ship around.
Prepare for the...
That's a kazalanche.
BobTheFork
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Lots of pepole are going to want Sony to confirm as soon as possible. They really can just wait for E3 and let MS sweat about it. Sony's conference is later in the day than MS; just wait till then.
But Sony will eventually have to talk about TV/media/entertainment so thats why I am going into E3 ready for a let down.
True. But it speaks volumes to the two very different philosophy's that the companies are taking. It seems like everyone expected this to be a Jack Johnson vs John Jackson battle.
Microsoft seems to have created an American media box.
Sony and Nintendo have both made gaming machines, yet the kind of services they provide seem to be a vast difference between the two
Even though the PS4 and XBO are similar in hardware, the software features and network applications seem to be more diverse based on the difference in philosophy's that the big two are following.
While I'm bummed out about the DRM Treating consumers like criminals approach of the Xbox One, its nice to see gaming become more diverse in its offerings as it goes on.
You know what they say about first impression?
I expect they will treat E3 as a way to sell the whole box to americans, the one market that really left Sony out to dry this gen, they need to make a impression there, and E3 is the best place to do it, so i expect some talk about features and TV sadly
For TGS they will hopefully have more Japanese centered games and services that they will care about
They do not need to worry about Europe at all i feel.
I expect they will treat E3 as a way to sell the whole box to americans, the one market that really left Sony out to dry this gen, they need to make a impression there, and E3 is the best place to do it, so i expect some talk about features and TV sadly
For TGS they will hopefully have more Japanese centered games and services that they will care about
They do not need to worry about Europe at all i feel.
I do not think Sony will be able to keep this momentum going. They are holding back something that could devastate its audience and if I have to guess then I reckon that online play will become a premium feature. MS made far too much money on it and Im sure Sony took notice.
AranhaHunter
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So Nintendo's publishing rights encompass all the games of the series? Including the ones that were exclusive to PS platforms?
I had no idea it worked like that.
No it doesn't. However, the last main DQ game on a PS platform was DQVIII in 2004. The last DQ spin off on a PS platform was a DQVIII spin off in 2006. Everything else has been exclusive to Nintendo.
She just means Sony will have to do something out of the ordinary to get the franchise back on the PS ecosystem. The PSP sold near 20 million and PS3 sold near 10 million in Japan and there wasn't even a DQ spin off on it.
Chances are slim. DQVII did not get a PS1 classic release on PSN even though most other Square and Enix franchises from that era did. Furthermore, instead of releasing a PS2 classic for $9.99, SE would rather HD port it and charge Y3999 like they are doing with FFX/X2
pharmboy044
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Any idea if they will go over the OS/PSN/PSN+?
Hopefuly both.
Honestly, I don't see it being much of a focus during the conference. Yes you can watch Netflix and rent movies and whatever but that's all secondary stuff and not worth stage time.
I don't think Sony has to spend a lot of time breaking down the entertainment features at all.
Just a single slide showing everyone's favorite streaming services. Netflix, Hulu, it's all there. Boom. Blu-ray playback? Got it. 5.1 audio and a full set of PC streaming capabilities? You bet.
"And now back to the games."
It's mindboggling how Microsoft managed to spend nearly 45 minutes of their one-hour reveal on TV-watching demonstrations and TV show reveals.
Just a single slide showing everyone's favorite streaming services. Netflix, Hulu, it's all there. Boom. Blu-ray playback? Got it. 5.1 audio and a full set of PC streaming capabilities? You bet.
"And now back to the games."
It's mindboggling how Microsoft managed to spend nearly 45 minutes of their one-hour reveal on TV-watching demonstrations and TV show reveals.
H_Prestige
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I really want to play DQ8 again...
If Microsoft put Vettel's face on the X1 would that make you buy it? ;D
Especially now. They'll mention it, but won't dwell on it, IMO.
It really doesn't matter when Sony decides to reveal their own little plans because I can tell you it's not as bad as what we've come to understand yesterday. PS4 is not going to be perfect. They are going to have certain practices which are also, in my opinion, anti-consumer but part of that is just an evolution of things that had started this past generation.
PS Plus is going to have much more value for people in the next generation. There's going to be a massive focus on convincing people to join up to this service, because Sony are kind of banking on the dedicated gamer to bring them revenue from this.
To give you an idea of some ideas for PS Plus (not going to be revealed at E3):
- Early access to Sony Pictures releases. They want to try and build events around these. Once the movie is done with it's theatrical run, and due to be released on home video for example, allowing PS Plus customers an exclusive chance to watch it for a limited time. I know, not a big deal to some, but again represents a little extra value. This will be aimed worldwide so this means Europe, US etc. Not just one region.
- Potentially giving PS Plus customers access to lots of PS1/PS2 games free with Gaikai. Some PS3 games will be charged still. Various discounts related to backwards compatibility also.
More than ever, there'll be a heavy focus on service integration over these next few years to try and build up SEN. Sony Mobile are involved in this endeavour also.
Gaikai, I think, holds the most potential of anything on PS4. In 5 years time, I think it could be a service which is pretty fantastic for some folks.
Also, for folks thinking Sony won't be spending a lot of time on media capability of the PS4, there'll be focus on the PS4's media features at E3. I think about 10-15 minutes or so should be expected at this stage which is a fair bit and a lot be can explained in that time. Add in console reveal, potential partnerships, and you can expect 30 minutes of non-gaming stuff. Remaining 90 minutes or so will pretty much be game reveals and release plans etc.
If you want to go down that route, Sony has lot more than 15 exclusives planned for PS4's first year on the market. You've already seen 4 retail ones. There's another 4 retail exclusives due to be unveiled for year one release. Add in certain third party exclusives on retail, and then various digital exclusives (first party and third party), and you're easily looking at more than double that amount.
I really don't think it's a problem for Sony to counter that offensive. Number of exclusives has always meant lless in my eyes than what they actually are (I'm expecting almost half of those 15 MS exclusives to be Kinect oriented casual crap which I have little interest in). With more, it just means there is a higher chance of finding something you think is interesting. One benefit I guess.
There is a Kingdom Hearts PS4 game due to be released in 2014. I guess obvious enough which one? Not KH3 btw.
PS Plus is going to have much more value for people in the next generation. There's going to be a massive focus on convincing people to join up to this service, because Sony are kind of banking on the dedicated gamer to bring them revenue from this.
To give you an idea of some ideas for PS Plus (not going to be revealed at E3):
- Early access to Sony Pictures releases. They want to try and build events around these. Once the movie is done with it's theatrical run, and due to be released on home video for example, allowing PS Plus customers an exclusive chance to watch it for a limited time. I know, not a big deal to some, but again represents a little extra value. This will be aimed worldwide so this means Europe, US etc. Not just one region.
- Potentially giving PS Plus customers access to lots of PS1/PS2 games free with Gaikai. Some PS3 games will be charged still. Various discounts related to backwards compatibility also.
More than ever, there'll be a heavy focus on service integration over these next few years to try and build up SEN. Sony Mobile are involved in this endeavour also.
Gaikai, I think, holds the most potential of anything on PS4. In 5 years time, I think it could be a service which is pretty fantastic for some folks.
Also, for folks thinking Sony won't be spending a lot of time on media capability of the PS4, there'll be focus on the PS4's media features at E3. I think about 10-15 minutes or so should be expected at this stage which is a fair bit and a lot be can explained in that time. Add in console reveal, potential partnerships, and you can expect 30 minutes of non-gaming stuff. Remaining 90 minutes or so will pretty much be game reveals and release plans etc.
MS talked of 15 exclusives. This means retail and digital.
If you want to go down that route, Sony has lot more than 15 exclusives planned for PS4's first year on the market. You've already seen 4 retail ones. There's another 4 retail exclusives due to be unveiled for year one release. Add in certain third party exclusives on retail, and then various digital exclusives (first party and third party), and you're easily looking at more than double that amount.
I really don't think it's a problem for Sony to counter that offensive. Number of exclusives has always meant lless in my eyes than what they actually are (I'm expecting almost half of those 15 MS exclusives to be Kinect oriented casual crap which I have little interest in). With more, it just means there is a higher chance of finding something you think is interesting. One benefit I guess.
Kingdom Hearts 3 will be on PS4. It's no secret at this stage that the game exists. The question I think Sony fans want answered is whether it's exclusive, timed exclusive or on multiple platforms. Regardless of when that question is answered, Kingdom Hearts fans will be happy because they'll be playing a next generation Kingdom Hearts after years of waiting.Kingdom Hearts III. Meltdowns incoming
There is a Kingdom Hearts PS4 game due to be released in 2014. I guess obvious enough which one? Not KH3 btw.
Last bit of info then. I know you're being sarcastic, but Demon's Souls 2 is in development.
Shocked because they would decide not to or because they wouldn't have anything concrete to show yet?
EdibleExplosives
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Okay...I admit my original statement was pretty fucking stupid now. I can't wait to see what Naughty Dog's first next gen game looks like.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Have there been any leaks about what they will show?
SniperHunter
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broooo not againnnnn ahaha you better be right about this stuff!!
Whatever happened to GG's new ip they were going to show?
Evolution_1ne
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can we please stop with this shit....please...only on xbox....guys.....stahp
wishing Sony does something as stupid as MS is not going to make anything better for you, but worse for everyone
-Pyromaniac-
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You and me both. I'm excited for the games I want to see and the games i want to get announce. However, I have a feeling SONY is going to fuck this up. They should have a 30 minute live stream for the TV/Media/Entertainment BS the day before the conference just to get it out of the way.
Sony needs to understand that the Core gamers are the ones that will be getting the PlayStation 4 this year and next year. We want games, games, games, games, and more games.
anexanhume
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With MS going first, they get the final word on pricing too. If they can match them exclusive for exclusive, I don't see how Xbox can be equal in the US, let alone outside it this Holiday season.
I don't think it was a stupid statement. There is a legitimate concern with any reveal. Quantity does not equal quality.
Alebrije
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I really wish a DS 2 game could be in development.
AgentChris
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PSV. Believe.
So nothing online play?
I remember saying it would be shown in a few months, not next month at PS Meeting (which at the time, I wasn't even aware of). Regardless of that, they'll have to show it soon enough. Sony will be showing year 1 and some year 2 games so it could make an appearance at E3. I don't see its presence harming KZ in any way.
sacrificengineer
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Currently the most important event me. Can't wait, I hope Sony won't drop the ball by any means.
Uhh they're not releasing 2.5 Remix on the PS4 if that's what you're getting at.
I think we should be happy since m0dus works for Sony and he says that Sony has an "avalanche planned" for E3.
Sidewinder
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I don't know who you're, but you better not be throwing around stuff like DS2 being in development lightly!!!11
SniperHunter
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is it called, "the order 1886?"
"Insider" who is probably bullshit.
AranhaHunter
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You said a month before E3 you would let us in on the 3 (or was it 5) game deal that Sony was trying to get with Square Enix. We're 20 days from it. Spill the beans man:X
As a vita owner I say, FUCK THAT SHIT. DS2 for PS4 with Miyasaki at the helm. Vita can get a spin off though, that would be welcome.
H_Prestige
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We'll find out soon. Some pretty bold claims.
Rollo Tomasi
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Please tell us more about what Sony is holding back that could "devastate its audience". Or is that pure speculation on your part?
Ban bet?
SniperHunter
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He is either right or he will be permabanned after June 10, 2013 ahahaha
yup, he made one
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